Man, wizards is really going all-out with Manifest. Now where's our Break Open-type card that hits any creature?
Interestingly enough, a Manifested morph can be a face-down non-creature card, Break Open would downright kill it. That is, if you know which one to hit.
Actually they already gave us the ruling on that last week. If a face down non-creature card would be turned up, reveal it, and turn it back face down.
actually they already gave us the ruling on that last week. If a face down non-creature card would be turned up, reveal it, and turn it back face down.
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Man, wizards is really going all-out with Manifest. Now where's our Break Open-type card that hits any creature?
Interestingly enough, a Manifested morph can be a face-down non-creature card, Break Open would downright kill it. That is, if you know which one to hit.
Actually they already gave us the ruling on that last week. If a face down non-creature card would be turned up, reveal it, and turn it back face down.
I love how bad this makes Ivy Elemental look. I used to love that card.
Mistcutter Hydra makes Ivy Elemental extremely sad as well. I'm not sure this card is better than Hydra or not but it's another great manifest shenanigans enabler in a white/green deck that can take advantage of Hooded Hydra and Master of Pearls.
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I love how bad this makes Ivy Elemental look. I used to love that card.
Mistcutter Hydra makes Ivy Elemental extremely sad as well. I'm not sure this card is better than Hydra or not but it's another great manifest shenanigans enabler in a white/green deck that can take advantage of Hooded Hydra and Master of Pearls.
Don't think mistcutter is the best comparison after all. Aside from haste, there was nothing going for mistcutter beyond being a blue hoser, so its pure sideboardable. Now against other colors in body alone this is on-the-curve P/T vs -1/-1 and haste. But what really makes manifest shine is the whole unmorph aspect, and thats going to translate to both a ~1/3 chance of "drawing a card" when it ETB, as well as stocking your graveyard with an additional card
So I guess I'm not really saying anything too prophetic when I echo you and say that this manifest card, like the others, largely comes down to the availability of manifest enablers, and probably won't stand purely on its own- you *have* to get mileage out of that manifest for it to matter. And the only good manifest enabler I see right now is hooded hydra, thats one card and an awkward one to fit in with more hydra slots like this. If we get some pushed manifestable cards, then this gets a whole new light.
Seems like a natural buddy to Hooded Hydra. Manifest the hydra with some number of +1/+1 counters, then next turn, flip it face up for GG to get 5 more +1/+1 counters, and get a ton of snakes if your opponent can kill it.
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What happened, then, if a non-creature permanent turned face up?
Nothing special. You have a non-creature permanent. Remember Zoetic Cavern? Of course, if the card happens to be an Aura, then it will die because it's not attached...
This is difficult to evaluate. It is kind of like a reverse Call of the Wild.
On its base level this is simply a way to get some extra +1/+1 counters on creatures over multiple turns, which isn't a terribly fantastic effect. It does get better if you have mana cost shenanigans (like Hooded Hydra et al).
Turning a non-creature into an emergency creature is useful, but the key here is knowing what the top of your library is or you could run into scenarios where you pay 3GG to make a 5/5 ground-pounder but you actually manifested a Stormbreath Dragon which would have been better off casting normally (haste, flying) in a pinch.
For what it's worth, this offers you the same rate on a beatstick that Grenzo, Dungeon Warden does. Is losing his second ability worth becoming monocular and gaining the 30-40% chance of flipping up into something relevant? I don't know, but it is a very aggressive rate on a creature.
For what it's worth, this offers you the same rate on a beatstick that Grenzo, Dungeon Warden does. Is losing his second ability worth becoming monocular and gaining the 30-40% chance of flipping up into something relevant? I don't know, but it is a very aggressive rate on a creature.
I'd be curious to know what makes you think manifests are cyclopean in nature.
But seriously, do you mean mono-color? Because face-down cards are colorless. Unless you mean the casting cost, I suppose, which makes it able to fit in more Commander decks?
So at its worst its a 2/2 for GG that I cannot flip over?
I think its a cool card. I've always wanted to kill someone with a healing salve.
No, at worst it's a 3/3 for 2. It gets X+1 counters.
No, at worst it's a 4/4 for 2. It gets X+1+1 counters
Still a great card though, maybe a solution in modern to build a consistent Polymorph/Proteus Staff deck, as a non-creature creature, fuels delve also.
Now you're speaking my language. I'm not sure this is better than something like Raise the Alarm for Polymorph, but I love having more tools. This with X=2 is a much safer creature than any token in Modern.
I feel like you're fishing here. Every card "fuels" delve if that's the case because at one point or another every card has a chance to end up in the graveyard. If you're casting this because you're just dying to fuel that treasure cruise then I feel you're not playing it right. Just me though.
This seems decent. It's never going to be a great body for its cost, but usually it'll be good enough for Limited, and there's a whole host of ways this will see play at more casual levels.
Actually they already gave us the ruling on that last week. If a face down non-creature card would be turned up, reveal it, and turn it back face down.
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Non-permanent, not non-creature...
GG might be hard to support for some decks.
Mistcutter Hydra makes Ivy Elemental extremely sad as well. I'm not sure this card is better than Hydra or not but it's another great manifest shenanigans enabler in a white/green deck that can take advantage of Hooded Hydra and Master of Pearls.
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Don't think mistcutter is the best comparison after all. Aside from haste, there was nothing going for mistcutter beyond being a blue hoser, so its pure sideboardable. Now against other colors in body alone this is on-the-curve P/T vs -1/-1 and haste. But what really makes manifest shine is the whole unmorph aspect, and thats going to translate to both a ~1/3 chance of "drawing a card" when it ETB, as well as stocking your graveyard with an additional card
So I guess I'm not really saying anything too prophetic when I echo you and say that this manifest card, like the others, largely comes down to the availability of manifest enablers, and probably won't stand purely on its own- you *have* to get mileage out of that manifest for it to matter. And the only good manifest enabler I see right now is hooded hydra, thats one card and an awkward one to fit in with more hydra slots like this. If we get some pushed manifestable cards, then this gets a whole new light.
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Nothing special. You have a non-creature permanent. Remember Zoetic Cavern? Of course, if the card happens to be an Aura, then it will die because it's not attached...
On its base level this is simply a way to get some extra +1/+1 counters on creatures over multiple turns, which isn't a terribly fantastic effect. It does get better if you have mana cost shenanigans (like Hooded Hydra et al).
Turning a non-creature into an emergency creature is useful, but the key here is knowing what the top of your library is or you could run into scenarios where you pay 3GG to make a 5/5 ground-pounder but you actually manifested a Stormbreath Dragon which would have been better off casting normally (haste, flying) in a pinch.
I'm not sold on this barring a few cute tricks.
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But seriously, do you mean mono-color? Because face-down cards are colorless. Unless you mean the casting cost, I suppose, which makes it able to fit in more Commander decks?
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Now you're speaking my language. I'm not sure this is better than something like Raise the Alarm for Polymorph, but I love having more tools. This with X=2 is a much safer creature than any token in Modern.
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I feel like you're fishing here. Every card "fuels" delve if that's the case because at one point or another every card has a chance to end up in the graveyard. If you're casting this because you're just dying to fuel that treasure cruise then I feel you're not playing it right. Just me though.