I wonder how manifest interacts with double-faced cards. Since they can't be turned face down, will they just move to the battlefield as their normal front face?
Well, things like Fleecemane Lion won't be able to grant indestructible and hexproof to Soulflayer since those are abilities they are granted under some condition, not abilities they have by themselves.
I wonder how manifest interacts with double-faced cards. Since they can't be turned face down, will they just move to the battlefield as their normal front face?
Well, things like Fleecemane Lion won't be able to grant indestructible and hexproof to Soulflayer since those are abilities they are granted under some condition, not abilities they have by themselves.
She's part of a five-card legendary Dragon rare cycle in the ally colors (WU, UB, BR, RG, GW). Each of them has an attack trigger ability that happens whenever a Dragon you control attacks. They trigger themselves, but they also trigger multiple times with multiple attacking Dragons.
Holy mother of bacon, I need Whisperwood Elemental in my pantsAnimar EDH deck right now, if only for that sacrifice ability.
Go ahead, play a wrath. I dare you. Just you wait and see what monstrosities I get.
I get what your saying but at the same time I'd hate to end up manifesting my Ulamog on the end step and having to pay full price to reveal it. The downside to something like Manifest is you completely lose Animar's cost reducing ability on any manifested cards
As regards the manifest/morph cheating issue... I'll just carry 20 overlays around with me and smack those things right on top as soon as an opponent manifests or morphs.
Yeah I'm thinking though at the prereleases there's not going to be a lot of Manifest overlays around. I just hope people don't take advantage of new players (or old ones) that weekend. I'm thinking Judges might want to suggest that morphed cards and Manifested cards shouldn't be placed beside each other
I wonder how manifest interacts with double-faced cards. Since they can't be turned face down, will they just move to the battlefield as their normal front face?
From Tabak's Tumblr
What happens if you manifest the top card of your library and its a dual faced card?
Chaos.
No, it just goes onto the battlefield face down. Use its front face to determine if you can turn it face up and what it’s mana cost is. If it turns face up, it’ll be front face up. You still can’t turn one on the battlefield face down. Full rules to come.
And i'm pretty sure that if a creature with morph somehow is manifested, is possible to turn it face up by both morph cost and mana cost.
That appears to be correct, although I would say morph OR mana cost.
"If you happen to manifest a card with morph, you can turn it face up either by paying its mana cost (if it's a creature card) or by paying its morph cost." You can't un-Manifest a noncreature card, but you CAN pay its morph cost if it has one and flip it face-up.
Also, "A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, reveal the card and it stays on the battlefield face down." This seems to have changed since the article was posted, since some people are quoting that the Manifested card was exiled instead.
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Holy mother of bacon, I need Whisperwood Elemental in my pantsAnimar EDH deck right now, if only for that sacrifice ability.
Go ahead, play a wrath. I dare you. Just you wait and see what monstrosities I get.
I get what your saying but at the same time I'd hate to end up manifesting my Ulamog on the end step and having to pay full price to reveal it. The downside to something like Manifest is you completely lose Animar's cost reducing ability on any manifested cards
True, though half of my Animar deck is just cheap guys to get counters on Animar so I can ramp up to the big guys. So I'm just as likely to manifest something I can flip up nice and cheap as I am a big expensive fatty. Plus, there's a fair amount of ramp in the deck. There have been times when Animar has been unavailable and I've had to hard-cast an Eldrazi or two, and those times I didn't even have the luxury of wrath insurance.
From the mothership rules article (emphasis mine): A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, the card is exiled instead.
Where on earth did you read what you typed in bold? This article did NOT say that.
A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, reveal the card and it stays on the battlefield face down.
She's part of a five-card legendary Dragon rare cycle in the ally colors (WU, UB, BR, RG, GW). Each of them has an attack trigger ability that happens whenever a Dragon you control attacks. They trigger themselves, but they also trigger multiple times with multiple attacking Dragons.
What I get for just reading the spoilers here rather than the article. Can't wait to see them then haha.
mind blown by manifest to be sure. i continue to be surprised by R&D. there could definitely be some confusion, but aside from using the different morph/manifest 'token' cards, one could always just use a die atop a facedown card to indicate whether it was (1) morphed or (2) manifested.
i am most excited by soulflayer. seems to me a jund colored deck would be best to get all of those abilities in standard. green is also the color of self mill currently, so i think that is a must for any deck with him.
From the mothership rules article (emphasis mine): A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, the card is exiled instead.
Where on earth did you read what you typed in bold? This article did NOT say that.
A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, reveal the card and it stays on the battlefield face down.
It might have been an older version of the article. They're basically making this rule up right now, for an interaction that won't matter in 99.5% of games.
From the mothership rules article (emphasis mine): A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, the card is exiled instead.
Where on earth did you read what you typed in bold? This article did NOT say that.
A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, reveal the card and it stays on the battlefield face down.
It did about an hour ago. They changed it.
Mistype on their part, or did they change their minds around noon? Who knows.
Dash seems interesting, but repeated mana investment doesn't seem particularly good. I will love it with Purphoros though. Still think that they could have kept Raid. It had a lot of design space left.
Outpost Siege would have been nice if it was just the first mode for 1 less mana.
Whisperwood Elemental is a bit slow, but it will be fun.
Dash seems interesting, but repeated mana investment doesn't seem particularly good. I will love it with Purphoros though. Still think that they could have kept Raid. It had a lot of design space left.
Outpost Siege would have been nice if it was just the first mode for 1 mana.
Whisperwood Elemental is a bit slow, but it will be fun.
Honor's Reward could be good, but in Modern Timely Reinforcements is still much better.
Jeskai Sage's stats are a bit too 1/1.
Gurmag Angler: I'd rather pay a bit more to give it flying as Tombstalker.
Frontier Mastodon: Temur could have used a new mechanic. Ferocious is still pretty bad.
Soul Summons would have been good as an instant.
Ethereal Ambush costs too much.
Rageform is fun.
Hooded Assassin might be constructed-playable.
So it sounds like you don't like a majority of the cards. And the Siege would be broken if it was the first mode for just 1 mana. I think you mean 1 less mana, maybe.
Yes, it's not like they're giving us two separate overlay tokens to help us keep track of this stuff or anything.
Actually they are.
I was just about to post they are probably going to going to make a manifest counter with a blue morph but I guess that is already confirmed, so no judge confusion. Rules also state you can look at your facedown permanents at any time so their shouldn't be any scenarios where you accidentally flip a non morph or need lens of clarity like some people have said.
Dash seems interesting, but repeated mana investment doesn't seem particularly good. I will love it with Purphoros though. Still think that they could have kept Raid. It had a lot of design space left.
Outpost Siege would have been nice if it was just the first mode for 1 mana.
Whisperwood Elemental is a bit slow, but it will be fun.
It doesn't.
Well, things like Fleecemane Lion won't be able to grant indestructible and hexproof to Soulflayer since those are abilities they are granted under some condition, not abilities they have by themselves.
Actually they are.
We are getting a full cycle of ally-colored dragons:
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I get what your saying but at the same time I'd hate to end up manifesting my Ulamog on the end step and having to pay full price to reveal it. The downside to something like Manifest is you completely lose Animar's cost reducing ability on any manifested cards
Yeah I'm thinking though at the prereleases there's not going to be a lot of Manifest overlays around. I just hope people don't take advantage of new players (or old ones) that weekend. I'm thinking Judges might want to suggest that morphed cards and Manifested cards shouldn't be placed beside each other
From Tabak's Tumblr
"If you happen to manifest a card with morph, you can turn it face up either by paying its mana cost (if it's a creature card) or by paying its morph cost." You can't un-Manifest a noncreature card, but you CAN pay its morph cost if it has one and flip it face-up.
Also, "A few older cards turn a face-down creature face up. If you manifest an instant or sorcery card, and one of these older cards tries to turn it face up, reveal the card and it stays on the battlefield face down." This seems to have changed since the article was posted, since some people are quoting that the Manifested card was exiled instead.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
It's also each player's onus to see/memorize the manifested cards from the morphs. If needed, just indicate with something or write it down.
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True, though half of my Animar deck is just cheap guys to get counters on Animar so I can ramp up to the big guys. So I'm just as likely to manifest something I can flip up nice and cheap as I am a big expensive fatty. Plus, there's a fair amount of ramp in the deck. There have been times when Animar has been unavailable and I've had to hard-cast an Eldrazi or two, and those times I didn't even have the luxury of wrath insurance.
Where on earth did you read what you typed in bold? This article did NOT say that.
What I get for just reading the spoilers here rather than the article. Can't wait to see them then haha.
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i am most excited by soulflayer. seems to me a jund colored deck would be best to get all of those abilities in standard. green is also the color of self mill currently, so i think that is a must for any deck with him.
It might have been an older version of the article. They're basically making this rule up right now, for an interaction that won't matter in 99.5% of games.
It did about an hour ago. They changed it.
Mistype on their part, or did they change their minds around noon? Who knows.
Dash seems interesting, but repeated mana investment doesn't seem particularly good. I will love it with Purphoros though. Still think that they could have kept Raid. It had a lot of design space left.
Outpost Siege would have been nice if it was just the first mode for 1 less mana.
Whisperwood Elemental is a bit slow, but it will be fun.
Soulflayer: Cairn Wanderer is back!
Honor's Reward could be good, but in Modern Timely Reinforcements is still much better.
Jeskai Sage's stats are a bit too 1/1.
Gurmag Angler: I'd rather pay a bit more to give it flying as Tombstalker.
Frontier Mastodon: Temur could have used a new mechanic. Ferocious is still pretty bad.
Soul Summons would have been good as an instant.
Ethereal Ambush costs too much.
Rageform is fun.
Hooded Assassin might be constructed-playable.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
So it sounds like you don't like a majority of the cards. And the Siege would be broken if it was the first mode for just 1 mana. I think you mean 1 less mana, maybe.
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I was just about to post they are probably going to going to make a manifest counter with a blue morph but I guess that is already confirmed, so no judge confusion. Rules also state you can look at your facedown permanents at any time so their shouldn't be any scenarios where you accidentally flip a non morph or need lens of clarity like some people have said.
In other news soulflayer is my new favorite janky build around card. 4x satyr wayfinder 4x Taigam's Scheming and 4x of him and you'll be playing T3 chromanticores for days . You can even run sagu maulers and whirlwind adept if you want a hexproof chromanticore.