I don't think this is a bad card. This card doesn't do anything in legacy. modern tron might have a new play toy. I have a feeling a modern man lands colorless matters deck is coming. Or a new colorless/artifact archetype is going to start showing its self. I think this is a one of in at least my side board of my tron deck. I will have to play test it some more but the direct damage and board wipe aspect cant be ignored. Not to mention you can ultimate in 3 turns or even 2 with the right cards out. I don't think this card can easily be ignored. I think at least one goes in the new version of control that pops up when this set drops. Edh it is pretty much a 1 of in most decks. You also have to answer it pretty quickly or it can be a big time issue. I like it and find it to be a great addition to the planeswalkers card type.
Could we have a Bolas VS Ugin Duel Decks please, Wizards?
I could see that happening once they get those colorless basic lands out, unless they give the Ugin deck some colors or gave him lots of locusts and tron lands.
KTK/FRF are rotating out at the same time. DTK/M16 form their own pseudo block and will rotate out 6 months later.
Thanks, I stand corrected; So this doesn't do anything to extend the allied fetches time in standard. But it does perhaps reinforce the idea that KTK and DTK are technically different blocks making a ZEN fetchland reprint in DTK less likely from the perspective of the full cycle lands in a block promise.
How does it reinforce that? I'm not really sure what you're getting at here but my best guess is you're trying to make something of the link between Fate Reforged and Khans of Tarkir, i.e. these lands. Here's the problem with that, though: how do you know there isn't an analogous link with Dragons of Tarkir? It doesn't even need to be land-related, the Refuge cycle in Khans is there to provide Common level mana fixing for a wedge set. Since Fate Reforged is pack 1 in FRF/KTK/KTK, it's important for draft that the fixing be available there as well. There could easily be "preprints" from Dragons of Tarkir in a similar vein but that support Dragons' environment rather than Khans'. We don't know anything about Dragons of Tarkir and only a little about Fate Reforged so it should come as no surprise that we can see a link with Khans but not with Dragons. There could be links with Dragons of Tarkir even in the few cards we've seen and we wouldn't be able to tell! The long and the short of it is, this confirms what we already know, that Fate Reforged is linked with Khans of Tarkir, and it doesn't in any way refute what we also already know, that Fate Reforged is also linked with Dragons of Tarkir.
Sorry, meant reinforce wrt any speculation that the complete land cycle in a set promise doesn't really apply to KTK and DTK since they are treated as different sets for rotation purposes, and that a continuation of allied fetches in FRF does not portend enemy fetches in DTK since FRF is linked to KTK (I was thinking FRF rotated with DTK). True we don't know anything about Dragons of Tarkir, including whether or not ZEN fetches will be reprinted in it. This announcement doesn't shed any light on that one way or another.
If the enemy fetchlands are not in Dragons of Tarkir, it won't be because of the rotation oddness. It will be because the full ten pairs were covered over M15+Khans as the Painlands+Fetchlands (as Sam Stoddard said in the article about the Painlands in M15). From what we've been told, I think Tarkir block was finished design before they decided to move to the new rotation (or was nearing the end of design) so I don't accept the arguments that claim the contents of Dragons of Tarkir are directly relevant to its place in the new rotation. They had to put the split somewhere, and this is where they chose to put it. They didn't walk into Louie's first design meeting saying "Well, this is the first set in the Louie-M16 block, and we've got to design with that in mind". So I don't think the rotation is at all relevant or casts this news in any other light. We've been told about a link between Khans and Fate Reforged, and there will certainly be links between Dragons and Fate Reforged. Whether one of those involves enemy fetchlands cannot yet be determined.
In the story line, isn't Dragons of Tarkir an updated present tense Khans of Tarkir after the revival of Ugin? If so, it makes perfect sense to have the ZENDIKAR fetches come in as dragon nests instead of Dragon burial places like the onslaught fetches. Unless that makes no sense at all, then there is no sense.
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Flooded Strand flavor "Where dragons once slept, their bones now rest", can you guys not see the same with the enemy fetches? Arid Mesa: "Where fierce winds blew, dragons now roar"
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Neat card! But guess it means no other colorless spells in FRF
Why not? I mean there is still space no? Can't they just use the artifact slot for them?
They would have to come alphabetically after Ugin because he's number 001. So technically there's a chance that there's some more starting with V-Z but those letters make it substantially less likely.
I do not care about the "lifelands" being reprinted in Fate Reforged, but Ugin is awesome! That was definitely a great Christmas present from WotC to the players. Thank you, WotC!
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The thing about Ghostfire was it was the first card of it's kind so they may not have decided to put it in a separate category yet. I know they didn't do it in the Duel Deck, but again a duel deck isn't the same as a set. For example in Archenemy Arisan of Kozilek was card 129 after all the other colours and gold. in Commander it was back at the front as either 1 or the first card in the reprints.
It's hard to say but to me it doesn't make much sense for a card to be considered colorless and then sorted into red. Especially now that you have a colourless section.
That being said there is a fairly large amount of mono coloured cards, could some of them be 'colourless' possibly, or it could mean there are a lot of 'mono' colored cards like Yasova that are green but need other colours to properly work.
Hopefully in less than 72 hours we'll have some kind of idea.
I feel like Ghostfire was a prototype that paved the way for colorless cards like Eldrazi and Ugin, but having color mana in its cost while being colorless could lead to confusion like it evidently does with regards to its proper placement in the card list. At the very least I would expect monocolor hybrid to appear on such cards in the future and even then making them colorless isn't a given. If not for Ugin being FRF #001 I would expect to see a successor like this:
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DTK might feature more colorless nonartifact spells in it though since FRF is revisiting the concept with Ugin.
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We used to have the full spoiler before Christmas, each and every year.
Ugin looks like a casual bomb for sure. Players love big splashy cards like that, with abilities that change the game. Who cares about the ?
I am sad they didn't give Ugin more of a colorless theme. I think his -X is awesome, but it should have been his ultimate and his middle ability should have been to turn target nontoken permanent face up or face down. Don't get me wrong, his ultimate is powerful enough, but I don't think the flavor of it is that strong aside from it referencing his arch-nemesis that killed him.
In the middle of a road trip so I don't know if this has been mentioned but, I wonder how he will affect any Tron builds and Urza lands in modern? Also, does his second ability target lands as well?
In the middle of a road trip so I don't know if this has been mentioned but, I wonder how he will affect any Tron builds and Urza lands in modern? Also, does his second ability target lands as well?
G(r) Tron in Modern might run 1 or 2 copies alongside Karn Liberated since it definitely cannot replace Karn due to its CMC being 1 mana too high to drop on turn 3 unlike Karn. Turn 3 Karn into Turn 4 Ugin seems pretty sweet though, so it may replace one of the flex slots that All is Dust or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre currently occupy in some lists. Ugin would most probably find its home in Mono U Tron instead, where he is a reliable sweeper/finisher and can be protected with the deck's plethora of counterspells.
I am pretty excited for spoilers to start on Monday. It seems like they have the timing fixed on their website for spoilers and articles to hit at midnight. Can anyone confirm this fix?
The value of this card isn't diminished because it doesnt protect tron early. The value is when tron is assembled. It will either find its place in the current builds or spawn slight variations. Karn didn't help tron early, elesh norn didn't either but they are staples. I too agree that tron needs a better mode of protection early but that has nothing to do with this card.
Considering they just released Mana Confluence in Theros block, a City of Brass reprint in any future Standard set let alone one in KTK block is highly unlikely. We'd sooner see a reprint of Confluence.
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Is the fact that they mentioned Khans of Tarkir fetchlands being reprinted in Fate Reforged a strike against the Zendikar ones being reprinted in Dragons of Tarkir? In RTR block we had the possibility of getting a shockland from one of the two first sets in Dragon's Maze but if they were following the same format, the fetches in DOT would have to be possible in Fate Reforged too. There would be uneven distribution if only KTK fetches could be pulled in Fate Reforged.
That would be if pre-reprint of the enemy fetches where completely off the table. Which it isn't, since its something they couldn't mention yet if they are going to do it. Plus this isn't something Wizards would tell us so early. They didn't tell anyone about the all god boosters in JOU until a couple of days before prerelease. There going to hype up FRF first and foremost. So if they are doing a pre-reprint enemy fetches from DoT in FRF they'd wait till a day or two before FRF to say anything about it.
In fact this is they only way it could happen. They can't wait for they last set and do it since FRF is the hinge set. They also can't try again later since this is the last three set block.
IIRC they didn't even publicly confirm the God Packs until after the pre-release.
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Not sure what to make about the dual lands announcement. I was really hoping FRF would be the death of all these five colour decks plaguing drafts.
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I could see that happening once they get those colorless basic lands out, unless they give the Ugin deck some colors or gave him lots of locusts and tron lands.
If the enemy fetchlands are not in Dragons of Tarkir, it won't be because of the rotation oddness. It will be because the full ten pairs were covered over M15+Khans as the Painlands+Fetchlands (as Sam Stoddard said in the article about the Painlands in M15). From what we've been told, I think Tarkir block was finished design before they decided to move to the new rotation (or was nearing the end of design) so I don't accept the arguments that claim the contents of Dragons of Tarkir are directly relevant to its place in the new rotation. They had to put the split somewhere, and this is where they chose to put it. They didn't walk into Louie's first design meeting saying "Well, this is the first set in the Louie-M16 block, and we've got to design with that in mind". So I don't think the rotation is at all relevant or casts this news in any other light. We've been told about a link between Khans and Fate Reforged, and there will certainly be links between Dragons and Fate Reforged. Whether one of those involves enemy fetchlands cannot yet be determined.
GIVE THIS MAN AN AWARD!
Flooded Strand flavor "Where dragons once slept, their bones now rest", can you guys not see the same with the enemy fetches? Arid Mesa: "Where fierce winds blew, dragons now roar"
This is the golden ticket...
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They would have to come alphabetically after Ugin because he's number 001. So technically there's a chance that there's some more starting with V-Z but those letters make it substantially less likely.
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It's hard to say but to me it doesn't make much sense for a card to be considered colorless and then sorted into red. Especially now that you have a colourless section.
That being said there is a fairly large amount of mono coloured cards, could some of them be 'colourless' possibly, or it could mean there are a lot of 'mono' colored cards like Yasova that are green but need other colours to properly work.
Hopefully in less than 72 hours we'll have some kind of idea.
Ghostflame 3
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DTK might feature more colorless nonartifact spells in it though since FRF is revisiting the concept with Ugin.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Ugin looks like a casual bomb for sure. Players love big splashy cards like that, with abilities that change the game. Who cares about the ?
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G(r) Tron in Modern might run 1 or 2 copies alongside Karn Liberated since it definitely cannot replace Karn due to its CMC being 1 mana too high to drop on turn 3 unlike Karn. Turn 3 Karn into Turn 4 Ugin seems pretty sweet though, so it may replace one of the flex slots that All is Dust or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre currently occupy in some lists. Ugin would most probably find its home in Mono U Tron instead, where he is a reliable sweeper/finisher and can be protected with the deck's plethora of counterspells.
Lands are colorless, so it doesn't hit them.
city of brass is my speculation
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
IIRC they didn't even publicly confirm the God Packs until after the pre-release.