I have been trying to dig up some example decks to use her with. Can't really find anything. Sad
The reanimator deck Elesh Norn made her name in was French Rites (Frites for short).
Here's the first link off Google for a Frites decklist, to give you an idea of how it works. This was a Standard list at the time, so think about how you translate that to Modern, and understand that things get even more wacky.
I've noticed prices usually start falling the week after a set releases. For MM15, prices actually started falling before release, which his odd. With the thousands of packs being opened this weekend in Vegas, I'm thinking prices are going to fall even further once those singles hit online.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I can't wait till I can play my bicycle land out, thus making me heckbent, while I have Nessie on the field. You know, so I can attack with my Pervert.
in your opinion, will prices for MM2 cards drop after the huge GPs of Las Vegas & Co. of the upcoming weekend?
if so, how long will they stay low? I'd really like to get myself a set of fulminators but I don't know if I should buy 'em now or simply wait for "I have no idea how long" long.
thanks for the help
After the 3 simultaneous GP, when the hype will finally dwindle and we'll get back to serious business, many people will realize they spent an absurd amount of money on a one-shot operation; and will sell their cliques & co to somehow compensate the expenses they had, especially if they realize they actually don't play Modern. I'm not putting a dime in that set except the mandatory release draft, but as Modern player, I'll patiently wait on Monday to crash on Internet marketplaces.
I've noticed prices usually start falling the week after a set releases. For MM15, prices actually started falling before release, which his odd. With the thousands of packs being opened this weekend in Vegas, I'm thinking prices are going to fall even further once those singles hit online.
I'm waiting untill next week.
I think that is because usually you don't have the cards from a set ahead of time as most cards are brand new. Also you don't know what is going to shake out in standard so there is an inflated price.
This product isn't introducing any new cards to any format. Just increasing the supply. So it would make sense to not follow price history that standard sets follow.
I don't post much but thought id contribute the contents of my box:
Mythic:
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Bitterblossom
Primeval Titan
Tezzeret the Seeker
Comet Storm
Rare:
Cryptic Command
Leyline of Sanctity
Blinkmoth Nexus
All Is Dust
Creakwood Liege (Foil)
Necroskitter
Niv Mizzet, the Firemind
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Hellkite Charger
All Suns' Dawn
Lodestone Myr
Guile
Wolfbriar Elemental
Sunforger
Indomitable Angel
Nobilis of War
Wildfire
Battlegrace Angel
Apocalypse Hydra
Thunderblust
Overall im pretty happy with my pulls. I don't play much modern but figure its a good base to start trading to build a deck. Im just sad I pulled a Comest Storm
This article has a great breakdown of the modern playability of the set. Not the monetary value but the amount of playable modern cards in the set. A good read if you're looking for an analysis not based on EV like a million articles out there.
And then... there was that one pull I dreaded so much, the one I wanted to avoid at all costs. No, not Comet Storm but The Which Should Have Eternally Remained Long-Forgotten Gohei. I opened 5 of those (1 foil) in a single Kamigawa box back in the day, and let me tell you - opening Gohei number 6, even after all these years, was just as much tooth-grindingly "fun" as it was back then. Sure brought back Long-Suppressed Memories!
I ended up with four Long-Forgotten Gohei back in Kamigawa and was so displeased with it being in MM15, I swore I would eat any that I opened.
Fortunately, I dodged them in our draft. Opened Tezzeret, Heirarch and Apocalypse Hydra, with a Battlegrace Angel and Wildfire in my prize packs.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I can't wait till I can play my bicycle land out, thus making me heckbent, while I have Nessie on the field. You know, so I can attack with my Pervert.
Well, turns out my ebay seller may be shady. Box still hasn't arrived yet, nor has it even been marked shipped. I contacted them a few days ago requesting shipping information, but got nothing back. It's now almost a week after it was supposedly shipped, still no contact back and I just spotted two negative feedback comments from other buyers of the same listing talking about similar lack of communication and no box yet. Going through eBay claims service now. Hopefully I'll just get a refund, then I can go buy the playset of Snapcasters I wanted anyway.
My box barely broke 100$ in value. Wanted to cancel but my store wouldn't let me cancel.
The sheer amount of bull***** in rare slot, and stupifying amount of even dumber bull***** in common and uncommon rarity is too blame. Honestly I think I counted about 35-40 playable in my whole box. And at least 2 playesets of playables were in decks that are tier 2 or lower.
$100 seems very unlikely when you are guaranteed 3-5 mythics and 1-3 foil rares. If you got comet storm and nothing else maybe $150 in value. Deriums ccg opened dozens of boxes ranging between $200-1000 in value and e said most are about $240 in value break even.
My value?
Comet Storm 0
Tezzeret - 11$
Noble Hierarch 31$
Cryptic Command 40$
Fulminator Mage 15$
Remand 7$
+ 33 Playable commons 3.30$
Total value 107.30$
So yeah. Garbage ass box. Every other card in the box sees zero play in any format besides limited and kitchen table magic. I dont play either. Binned that stuff on the way out the door.
Noble heir arch is preselling for $40. Fulminator for $20 cryptic for $45 and you're missing a mythic and a foil rare which is guaranteed.
I just wanted to jump in here and say that I don't think 3 mythics are guaranteed. 3 mythics are what you should receive on average. But if every single box contained at least 3 mythics... wouldn't that mean that every single box MUST contain 3 (exactly 3) mythics? Since the print run demands that there be an exact mean of 3 mythics per box, if every box had at least 3, then every box must also have at MOST 3.
Also, my Modern Masters 1 box had 2 mythics in it. I haven't opened MM15 yet, but I'm quite sure that there is not a minimum of 3 guaranteed mythics.
My box barely broke 100$ in value. Wanted to cancel but my store wouldn't let me cancel.
The sheer amount of bull***** in rare slot, and stupifying amount of even dumber bull***** in common and uncommon rarity is too blame. Honestly I think I counted about 35-40 playable in my whole box. And at least 2 playesets of playables were in decks that are tier 2 or lower.
$100 seems very unlikely when you are guaranteed 3-5 mythics and 1-3 foil rares. If you got comet storm and nothing else maybe $150 in value. Deriums ccg opened dozens of boxes ranging between $200-1000 in value and e said most are about $240 in value break even.
My value?
Comet Storm 0
Tezzeret - 11$
Noble Hierarch 31$
Cryptic Command 40$
Fulminator Mage 15$
Remand 7$
+ 33 Playable commons 3.30$
Total value 107.30$
So yeah. Garbage ass box. Every other card in the box sees zero play in any format besides limited and kitchen table magic. I dont play either. Binned that stuff on the way out the door.
Noble heir arch is preselling for $40. Fulminator for $20 cryptic for $45 and you're missing a mythic and a foil rare which is guaranteed.
I just wanted to jump in here and say that I don't think 3 mythics are guaranteed. 3 mythics are what you should receive on average. But if every single box contained at least 3 mythics... wouldn't that mean that every single box MUST contain 3 (exactly 3) mythics? Since the print run demands that there be an exact mean of 3 mythics per box, if every box had at least 3, then every box must also have at MOST 3.
Also, my Modern Masters 1 box had 2 mythics in it. I haven't opened MM15 yet, but I'm quite sure that there is not a minimum of 3 guaranteed mythics.
Also: Mythic foil is NOT guaranteed. I got two rare foils (both of them crap). Crusader and Infiltrator mage
But My other stuff was OK so I barely broke even. (Got remand, Cryptic, Noble, Fulminator Mage, Tezzeret, Clique, Butcher, foil gutshot, splintertwin,leyline, wilt-leaf-liege and some other good commons/commons).
There should be probably around 16,000 people playing in the day 1 main events between Vegas, Utrecht, and Chiba. There's over 8,000 pre-registered for Vegas, Chiba is sold out at 4,000, and there's nearly 4,000 pre-registered for Utrecht. You subtract a little for byes I guess, add a little for those not pre-registered. That's 16,000 people each opening 6 packs for the limited event = 96,000 packs. Then there should be another 1,152 packs on day 2 at each event if the top 128 make it to day 2 and participate in a 3-pack draft. Let's just call it 100,000 packs. That's over 800 of each non-foil Mythic that will be opened, and over 1600 of each non-foil Rare. Did I do that math right? What effect could all that have on prices of these cards on the secondary market?
There should be probably around 16,000 people playing in the day 1 main events between Vegas, Utrecht, and Chiba. There's over 8,000 pre-registered for Vegas, Chiba is sold out at 4,000, and there's nearly 4,000 pre-registered for Utrecht. You subtract a little for byes I guess, add a little for those not pre-registered. That's 16,000 people each opening 6 packs for the limited event = 96,000 packs. Then there should be another 1,152 packs on day 2 at each event if the top 128 make it to day 2 and participate in a 3-pack draft. Let's just call it 100,000 packs. That's over 800 of each non-foil Mythic that will be opened, and over 1600 of each non-foil Rare. Did I do that math right? What effect could all that have on prices of these cards on the secondary market?
You don't need to subtract for byes as the packs get opened if they have to play first round or if they get to skip a round or two.
Also, there are going to be a lot of side events happening. From people who just didn't want to do the main event or from people who lost too much and are out.
There should be probably around 16,000 people playing in the day 1 main events between Vegas, Utrecht, and Chiba. There's over 8,000 pre-registered for Vegas, Chiba is sold out at 4,000, and there's nearly 4,000 pre-registered for Utrecht. You subtract a little for byes I guess, add a little for those not pre-registered. That's 16,000 people each opening 6 packs for the limited event = 96,000 packs. Then there should be another 1,152 packs on day 2 at each event if the top 128 make it to day 2 and participate in a 3-pack draft. Let's just call it 100,000 packs. That's over 800 of each non-foil Mythic that will be opened, and over 1600 of each non-foil Rare. Did I do that math right? What effect could all that have on prices of these cards on the secondary market?
You don't need to subtract for byes as the packs get opened if they have to play first round or if they get to skip a round or two.
Also, there are going to be a lot of side events happening. From people who just didn't want to do the main event or from people who lost too much and are out.
Oh, well, good, because I didn't subtract for byes anyway. I just thought I would mention it because I wasn't sure. I have never had a bye or known someone personally who had a bye, so I wasn't sure what the deal was with those or even how many people get them.
So probably more than 100,000 packs will be cracked this weekend. Enough more than we can probably predict 1000 of each Mythic and 2000 of each Rare (not counting foils) being opened. I'm curious how much prices will be lower at this time next week.
There should be probably around 16,000 people playing in the day 1 main events between Vegas, Utrecht, and Chiba. There's over 8,000 pre-registered for Vegas, Chiba is sold out at 4,000, and there's nearly 4,000 pre-registered for Utrecht. You subtract a little for byes I guess, add a little for those not pre-registered. That's 16,000 people each opening 6 packs for the limited event = 96,000 packs. Then there should be another 1,152 packs on day 2 at each event if the top 128 make it to day 2 and participate in a 3-pack draft. Let's just call it 100,000 packs. That's over 800 of each non-foil Mythic that will be opened, and over 1600 of each non-foil Rare. Did I do that math right? What effect could all that have on prices of these cards on the secondary market?
You don't need to subtract for byes as the packs get opened if they have to play first round or if they get to skip a round or two.
Also, there are going to be a lot of side events happening. From people who just didn't want to do the main event or from people who lost too much and are out.
Oh, well, good, because I didn't subtract for byes anyway. I just thought I would mention it because I wasn't sure. I have never had a bye or known someone personally who had a bye, so I wasn't sure what the deal was with those or even how many people get them.
So probably more than 100,000 packs will be cracked this weekend. Enough more than we can probably predict 1000 of each Mythic and 2000 of each Rare (not counting foils) being opened. I'm curious how much prices will be lower at this time next week.
That's the million dollar question.
It's for that reason I'm on the fence about buying another box... I don't want the prices to crash.
I bought three packs and how crappy there they? Banefire was the best card. combining the three packs I barely broke value of a normal packs cost. I think what Wizards did here is you either buy a box at a time so that you get your value or you draft it if that is what you are into and even if it is as fun as the last drafting experience. buying a pack or two at a time is just far to high risk with the packs being at 10. I'd at least feel a lot better if they had kept the packs the same price from last time.
I bought three packs and how crappy there they? Banefire was the best card. combining the three packs I barely broke value of a normal packs cost. I think what Wizards did here is you either buy a box at a time so that you get your value or you draft it if that is what you are into and even if it is as fun as the last drafting experience. buying a pack or two at a time is just far to high risk with the packs being at 10. I'd at least feel a lot better if they had kept the packs the same price from last time.
I agree with this. It's too expensive to buy individual packs. Either a full box OR draft.
Do you think its worth buying another box at this point?
I bought three packs and how crappy there they? Banefire was the best card. combining the three packs I barely broke value of a normal packs cost. I think what Wizards did here is you either buy a box at a time so that you get your value or you draft it if that is what you are into and even if it is as fun as the last drafting experience. buying a pack or two at a time is just far to high risk with the packs being at 10. I'd at least feel a lot better if they had kept the packs the same price from last time.
I got a box at a bit less than $200 and have cracked half of it ... Comet Storm, Elesh, Remand, Spellskite, Surgical Extraction are the highlights in those 12 packs :|
I am leaving the rest to draft so I get hopefully fun out of the rest of the box.
I hope you do get some fun stuff beyond that. but as of right now you won't be getting your moneies worth but there is still half the box. good luck to you bustercanfly but I am done buying this product.
@axman I probably wouldn't put anymore money into it unless you want to draft with it because the fun factor goes up a lot more with that. But buying a box to buy a box just isn't worth it. go buy singles of the cards you want and be done with it.
I hope you do get some fun stuff beyond that. but as of right now you won't be getting your moneies worth but there is still half the box. good luck to you bustercanfly but I am done buying this product.
@axman I probably wouldn't put anymore money into it unless you want to draft with it because the fun factor goes up a lot more with that. But buying a box to buy a box just isn't worth it. go buy singles of the cards you want and be done with it.
I'm not sure I would agree with that. I've found MMA2 to have far more value (money-wise) than the original MMA.
EDIT: It probably still makes more sense to just buy singles; however, especially after this weekend IF the prices on singles drops dramatically.
The reanimator deck Elesh Norn made her name in was French Rites (Frites for short).
Here's the first link off Google for a Frites decklist, to give you an idea of how it works. This was a Standard list at the time, so think about how you translate that to Modern, and understand that things get even more wacky.
My Stupidly Large Number of Current Decks
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And these are just easy shoe in builds too. Not getting into variants like Dredge that plays Elesh Norn sometimes.
Easy to See For Trade list
"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
-Vash the Stampede
The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has it limits.
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"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
-Vash the Stampede
The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has it limits.
I'm waiting untill next week.
After the 3 simultaneous GP, when the hype will finally dwindle and we'll get back to serious business, many people will realize they spent an absurd amount of money on a one-shot operation; and will sell their cliques & co to somehow compensate the expenses they had, especially if they realize they actually don't play Modern. I'm not putting a dime in that set except the mandatory release draft, but as Modern player, I'll patiently wait on Monday to crash on Internet marketplaces.
Easy to See For Trade list
"Red. Which in the language of the flowers means courage and determination."
-Vash the Stampede
The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has it limits.
I think that is because usually you don't have the cards from a set ahead of time as most cards are brand new. Also you don't know what is going to shake out in standard so there is an inflated price.
This product isn't introducing any new cards to any format. Just increasing the supply. So it would make sense to not follow price history that standard sets follow.
Mythic:
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Bitterblossom
Primeval Titan
Tezzeret the Seeker
Comet Storm
Rare:
Cryptic Command
Leyline of Sanctity
Blinkmoth Nexus
All Is Dust
Creakwood Liege (Foil)
Necroskitter
Niv Mizzet, the Firemind
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Hellkite Charger
All Suns' Dawn
Lodestone Myr
Guile
Wolfbriar Elemental
Sunforger
Indomitable Angel
Nobilis of War
Wildfire
Battlegrace Angel
Apocalypse Hydra
Thunderblust
Overall im pretty happy with my pulls. I don't play much modern but figure its a good base to start trading to build a deck. Im just sad I pulled a Comest Storm
This article has a great breakdown of the modern playability of the set. Not the monetary value but the amount of playable modern cards in the set. A good read if you're looking for an analysis not based on EV like a million articles out there.
I ended up with four Long-Forgotten Gohei back in Kamigawa and was so displeased with it being in MM15, I swore I would eat any that I opened.
Fortunately, I dodged them in our draft. Opened Tezzeret, Heirarch and Apocalypse Hydra, with a Battlegrace Angel and Wildfire in my prize packs.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I just wanted to jump in here and say that I don't think 3 mythics are guaranteed. 3 mythics are what you should receive on average. But if every single box contained at least 3 mythics... wouldn't that mean that every single box MUST contain 3 (exactly 3) mythics? Since the print run demands that there be an exact mean of 3 mythics per box, if every box had at least 3, then every box must also have at MOST 3.
Also, my Modern Masters 1 box had 2 mythics in it. I haven't opened MM15 yet, but I'm quite sure that there is not a minimum of 3 guaranteed mythics.
Also: Mythic foil is NOT guaranteed. I got two rare foils (both of them crap). Crusader and Infiltrator mage
But My other stuff was OK so I barely broke even. (Got remand, Cryptic, Noble, Fulminator Mage, Tezzeret, Clique, Butcher, foil gutshot, splintertwin,leyline, wilt-leaf-liege and some other good commons/commons).
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Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
There should be probably around 16,000 people playing in the day 1 main events between Vegas, Utrecht, and Chiba. There's over 8,000 pre-registered for Vegas, Chiba is sold out at 4,000, and there's nearly 4,000 pre-registered for Utrecht. You subtract a little for byes I guess, add a little for those not pre-registered. That's 16,000 people each opening 6 packs for the limited event = 96,000 packs. Then there should be another 1,152 packs on day 2 at each event if the top 128 make it to day 2 and participate in a 3-pack draft. Let's just call it 100,000 packs. That's over 800 of each non-foil Mythic that will be opened, and over 1600 of each non-foil Rare. Did I do that math right? What effect could all that have on prices of these cards on the secondary market?
You don't need to subtract for byes as the packs get opened if they have to play first round or if they get to skip a round or two.
Also, there are going to be a lot of side events happening. From people who just didn't want to do the main event or from people who lost too much and are out.
Oh, well, good, because I didn't subtract for byes anyway. I just thought I would mention it because I wasn't sure. I have never had a bye or known someone personally who had a bye, so I wasn't sure what the deal was with those or even how many people get them.
So probably more than 100,000 packs will be cracked this weekend. Enough more than we can probably predict 1000 of each Mythic and 2000 of each Rare (not counting foils) being opened. I'm curious how much prices will be lower at this time next week.
That's the million dollar question.
It's for that reason I'm on the fence about buying another box... I don't want the prices to crash.
But so tempting. your thoughts?
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Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/360-bitterblossom-and-mistbind-clique-looking-to-trade
I agree with this. It's too expensive to buy individual packs. Either a full box OR draft.
Do you think its worth buying another box at this point?
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Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
I got a box at a bit less than $200 and have cracked half of it ... Comet Storm, Elesh, Remand, Spellskite, Surgical Extraction are the highlights in those 12 packs :|
I am leaving the rest to draft so I get hopefully fun out of the rest of the box.
@axman I probably wouldn't put anymore money into it unless you want to draft with it because the fun factor goes up a lot more with that. But buying a box to buy a box just isn't worth it. go buy singles of the cards you want and be done with it.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/360-bitterblossom-and-mistbind-clique-looking-to-trade
I'm not sure I would agree with that. I've found MMA2 to have far more value (money-wise) than the original MMA.
EDIT: It probably still makes more sense to just buy singles; however, especially after this weekend IF the prices on singles drops dramatically.
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Stream: twitch.tv/axman
Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
Can someone remind me what Modern deck he's played in? Oh wait, HE ISN'T!!!!