MaRo said on social media that development thinks manlands were too good for standard. Though I'm all for a high-powered environment. We'll see how it goes come Battle for Zendikar.
I'm personally hoping for manlands, as they are too strong for standard and MM2 would be a nice opportunity to reprint them.
I'm curious why you think the man lands are too strong for Standard? They were fine the first time around, what would be different now?
Zendikar/Scars blocks and Innistrad were the height of power creep. From Dark Ascension on you could see a noticeable drop in power level of cards. There are a lot of cards from Zendikar and Scars that could never be printed in Standard until power creep picks up again.
I'm personally hoping for manlands, as they are too strong for standard and MM2 would be a nice opportunity to reprint them.
I'm curious why you think the man lands are too strong for Standard? They were fine the first time around, what would be different now?
Zendikar/Scars blocks and Innistrad were the height of power creep. From Dark Ascension on you could see a noticeable drop in power level of cards. There are a lot of cards from Zendikar and Scars that could never be printed in Standard until power creep picks up again.
Well it has been three sets of power creep going done now so we might be going back up now.
I'm personally hoping for manlands, as they are too strong for standard and MM2 would be a nice opportunity to reprint them.
I'm curious why you think the man lands are too strong for Standard? They were fine the first time around, what would be different now?
Zendikar/Scars blocks and Innistrad were the height of power creep. From Dark Ascension on you could see a noticeable drop in power level of cards. There are a lot of cards from Zendikar and Scars that could never be printed in Standard until power creep picks up again.
Well it has been three sets of power creep going done now so we might be going back up now.
We're at, maybe, TSP/Lorwyn levels of power creep. We're not even near the Shadowmoor/Alara yet, let alone Jund/Cawblade levels.
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Out of all the cards that could be in MM, what the heck would make Fulminator Mage a mythic rare?
That was a mistake by whomever made the mockup; the leaker didn't mention its rarity.
This is the truth; I got Fulminator made before having time to recreate, fail & just floodfill non-mythic symbols. We don't know whether it's rare or mythic.
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We're at, maybe, TSP/Lorwyn levels of power creep. We're not even near the Shadowmoor/Alara yet, let alone Jund/Cawblade levels.
Hmmmmmmm.......Not sure if I feel good or bad right now. I really like tribal so lorwyn was actually kinda fun for me. And to be fair RTR through theros block was kinda like taking a sledgehammer to the power creep, Dragons of Tarkir kinda feels like a step in the better direction though.
I'd be surprised if there is a cycle of potentially standard-printable lands like the Filterlands. I would have thought that they would want these to appear in a Standard set at some point. MM is after all, supposed to be a way to reprint cards that are difficult to print in Standard. Taking up ten slots here seems strange, unless they somehow know that there will be a very long time before the option for a Standard printing next arises. Say, for example, that the next few blocks have Fetchlands, Fastlands, Checklands, and perhaps a block or two don't have any rare lands. That would mean more than two years before the next possible reprint, so maybe they don't want to wait that long.
But I don't expect it.
Horizon Canopy, Nimbus Maze and the rest of the future shifted duals sort of make a nice cycle, but then you'd have Graven Cairns as sort of an odd-ball singleton from the filterlands..
There will be some fixing, if only to help drafting. But if that is to have any real effect, it needs to be at un/common.
I'm not sure if KtK and Theros block was as powerful as Time Spiral and Lorwyn.... We're talking 8 sets worth of cards... That format was a brew. I find it very hard to topple.
As for lands, I'm very sure there'll be Tron lands. It feels like a 100% thing. You don't release the Eldrazi and not make it undraftable. Fixing-wise we might get Shard trilands.
I'm not holding out for any rare duels though... That's just a feeling.
Out of all the cards that could be in MM, what the heck would make Fulminator Mage a mythic rare?
That was a mistake by whomever made the mockup; the leaker didn't mention its rarity.
This is the truth; I got Fulminator made before having time to recreate, fail & just floodfill non-mythic symbols. We don't know whether it's rare or mythic.
Ok, thanks. I was just really shocked to see that one at mythic. My friend and I got in an argument about whether it deserved to be mythic or not when discussing the spoilers, haha.
There are several dual and tri lands from Alara and Zendikar block which could be put in just for fixing. There are the bounce lands from original Ravnica. Probably many more lands out there. I am not too sold on a rare land cycle for fixing. Especially since you need fixing at lower rarities to make it matter. So you would have to assume it would be a rarity downgrade on something like the filter lands.
Also they know that these expensive rare dual lands can sell sets. So I think they save them for future standard sets.
Maybe get something like tron lands at common and refuges at uncommon or possibly common as well. If they really want to make the mage count then put in the Ravnica bounce lands as the fixing. Though I think the tron lands are enough to make it count.
No thanks. It is way more of a casual card tham anything. I would rather see Damnation shifted to mythic.
You are going to see expensive casual cards in this set. I remember last time before they even spoiled it I was absolutely sure Doubling Season would be in MM1 but there were several spikes laughing at anybody who said that. Part of this set is about getting expensive cards more printings that they fear about being put into standard. For some reason they are terrified of Doubling Season due to planeswalkers. Even though it has yet to even sniff any kind of competitive eternal formats.
I'm personally hoping for manlands, as they are too strong for standard and MM2 would be a nice opportunity to reprint them.
I'm curious why you think the man lands are too strong for Standard? They were fine the first time around, what would be different now?
Zendikar/Scars blocks and Innistrad were the height of power creep. From Dark Ascension on you could see a noticeable drop in power level of cards. There are a lot of cards from Zendikar and Scars that could never be printed in Standard until power creep picks up again.
But do you think the zendikar manlands, specifically, are the "height of power creep" that's too strong to be printed in standard now? I think we probably don't want them right at the moment when blue-based control is strong enough as it is, but I don't think the lands themselves are problematic. (And while they'd be great for the near-creatureless blue/black control decks, they are probably a fair bit less desirable in the more popular esper dragons deck.)
Standard's a different beast, though. Imagine if you dropped Doubling Season and then Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in Standard. Not many things can really stop that.
Standard's a different beast, though. Imagine if you dropped Doubling Season and then Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in Standard. Not many things can really stop that.
Standard's a different beast, though. Imagine if you dropped Doubling Season and then Ajani, Mentor of Heroes in Standard. Not many things can really stop that.
That's just one example from each colour of how fragile that combo is even in standard.
The point is that you gain 100 life so whelming wave is not useful nor is downfall or stoke because they will have priority and activate ajani before you can and erase is a sideboard card and sage is sometimes a 1 of
The thing about doubling season is that it worked very well with the counter archetype in green. So it enhanced the draft experience as well as given a reprint to a popular casual card. Very few cards were shoehorned in (blood moon). I think we can expect the same this time.
All signs are pointing to some sort of ramp or cheat for giant fatties. Urzalands/Through the breach are both probably likely. We will get some sort of fixing. The ravnica bounce lands are likely, as they would help fixing in draft a lot, help with ramp, and only take up common slots. Remember Rosewater has said that lands sell sets, there is very limited design space for lands, and they really don't like lands that tap for 2 mana.
In addition to the bounce lands we might get the man-lands as they are just likely to print a completely new cycle of those as bring back the really powerful old ones to standard.
People aren't thinking hard enough if they can't see how doubling season would warp standard around it if they reprinted it alongside any decent walkers. It's like snapcaster mage in that they have to neuter all the walkers they print while it's standard legal and that certainly isn't worth it as good or great walkers will sell way more packs than doubling season. 10 mana to gain 100 life in a single turn is something I would be willing to pay. Or sarkhan ultimate/all the dragons in play to wreck face. Ugin ultimate immediately is utterly disgusting with doubling season you can actually just chain activations together by drawing another ugin and ultimating that one and end up with an absurd boardstate or just win the game that turn someone.
Fulminator mage is heavily likely to be a rare I'd say. There's nothing mythic about it. If fulminator mage were an invitational card sure it's mythic but it's not an invitational card. It's utility and just like spellskite and they put skite at rare. Nothing mythic about 3 mana land destruction.
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Regarding Fulminator Mage, instant uncounterable LD, especially on a body with a mana cost that can slot into any deck that runs B or R is pretty unique. You're right though in that it is a total utility creature, though I could see being mythic based on its unique effect. Look at Bob, Goyf and Clique. All three are ultra utility creatures. FM is cast from a similar mold. And it was also printed before the mythic rarity existed.
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I am going to doubt heavily that Ravenger and Blinkmoth get reprinted in this set. It is already feeling kind of close to the other set with some of the same mythics. They are going to want it to have its own identity. I think other parts of the deck will get put in, but they will work well with the metalcraft deck that will probably be a small theme.
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Zendikar/Scars blocks and Innistrad were the height of power creep. From Dark Ascension on you could see a noticeable drop in power level of cards. There are a lot of cards from Zendikar and Scars that could never be printed in Standard until power creep picks up again.
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Well it has been three sets of power creep going done now so we might be going back up now.
We're at, maybe, TSP/Lorwyn levels of power creep. We're not even near the Shadowmoor/Alara yet, let alone Jund/Cawblade levels.
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This is the truth; I got Fulminator made before having time to recreate, fail & just floodfill non-mythic symbols. We don't know whether it's rare or mythic.
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Hmmmmmmm.......Not sure if I feel good or bad right now. I really like tribal so lorwyn was actually kinda fun for me. And to be fair RTR through theros block was kinda like taking a sledgehammer to the power creep, Dragons of Tarkir kinda feels like a step in the better direction though.
But I don't expect it.
Horizon Canopy, Nimbus Maze and the rest of the future shifted duals sort of make a nice cycle, but then you'd have Graven Cairns as sort of an odd-ball singleton from the filterlands..
There will be some fixing, if only to help drafting. But if that is to have any real effect, it needs to be at un/common.
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As for lands, I'm very sure there'll be Tron lands. It feels like a 100% thing. You don't release the Eldrazi and not make it undraftable. Fixing-wise we might get Shard trilands.
I'm not holding out for any rare duels though... That's just a feeling.
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Ok, thanks. I was just really shocked to see that one at mythic. My friend and I got in an argument about whether it deserved to be mythic or not when discussing the spoilers, haha.
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Also they know that these expensive rare dual lands can sell sets. So I think they save them for future standard sets.
Maybe get something like tron lands at common and refuges at uncommon or possibly common as well. If they really want to make the mage count then put in the Ravnica bounce lands as the fixing. Though I think the tron lands are enough to make it count.
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You are going to see expensive casual cards in this set. I remember last time before they even spoiled it I was absolutely sure Doubling Season would be in MM1 but there were several spikes laughing at anybody who said that. Part of this set is about getting expensive cards more printings that they fear about being put into standard. For some reason they are terrified of Doubling Season due to planeswalkers. Even though it has yet to even sniff any kind of competitive eternal formats.
But do you think the zendikar manlands, specifically, are the "height of power creep" that's too strong to be printed in standard now? I think we probably don't want them right at the moment when blue-based control is strong enough as it is, but I don't think the lands themselves are problematic. (And while they'd be great for the near-creatureless blue/black control decks, they are probably a fair bit less desirable in the more popular esper dragons deck.)
Erase, Whelming Wave (Bounce all the creatures, counters become useless), Hero's Downfall, Stoke the Flames (redirect damage to insta-kill Ajani), Reclamation Sage.
That's just one example from each colour of how fragile that combo is even in standard.
The point is that you gain 100 life so whelming wave is not useful nor is downfall or stoke because they will have priority and activate ajani before you can and erase is a sideboard card and sage is sometimes a 1 of
All signs are pointing to some sort of ramp or cheat for giant fatties. Urzalands/Through the breach are both probably likely. We will get some sort of fixing. The ravnica bounce lands are likely, as they would help fixing in draft a lot, help with ramp, and only take up common slots. Remember Rosewater has said that lands sell sets, there is very limited design space for lands, and they really don't like lands that tap for 2 mana.
In addition to the bounce lands we might get the man-lands as they are just likely to print a completely new cycle of those as bring back the really powerful old ones to standard.
Fulminator mage is heavily likely to be a rare I'd say. There's nothing mythic about it. If fulminator mage were an invitational card sure it's mythic but it's not an invitational card. It's utility and just like spellskite and they put skite at rare. Nothing mythic about 3 mana land destruction.
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