I don't think this disproves the leak. Rarities get shifted last second all the time. Splinter twin easily could have gone through most of development at mythic and was changed to rare last second.
The leak could be wrong still, but I don't think this disproves it.
Really? you think that this guys life must be to spoil cards to us? he only posts when hes got something, im going to guess he works logistically with wizards or a manufacturing shipping department so he gets to see cards or names of cards as they come through, is he going to risk his job for you? hes already doing that, i doubt he wants to do something that will get him caught, people like you who are quick to jump and rip on someone doing us a favor is why leakers dont leak. stop jumping to conclusion and sit back, be happy someones giving us something.
I am not saying he is a poor leaker, I am saying he is a liar. I am all for people leaking cards, however I do not approve of fooling players just to get a giggle.
I first believed the leak on the basis that someone posting from that account leaked other cards. But when the literally first spoilers following this leak contradict it, anyone is right to be skeptical.
lol, really?? A liar? You should have just stuck with people thinking that you thought he was a poor leaker. Your post reads like you feel that you were singled out to be taken a fool for. Why would the leaker lie? And who would think that they would get a kick out of it. Get real here. If you don't like that he didn't get the rarity right, then be skeptical. But to call him a liar is a bit much and your reasoning illustrates your thin skin.
Kiki is definitely the highest-value red mythic that's printable, but it's not super exciting considering it's been in a FTV and last MMA, and is played considerably less than Twin to begin with (especially with Pod gone). The next highest is Dragonmaster Outcast, who sees approximately 0 Modern play.
If tron is an archtype as we expect it to be could they bump blood moon up for a red mythic to not hose the archtype? otherwise maybe Fulminator mage gets bumped and counts as the red mythic?
I'm just curious how the numbers look, thought I'd post this as we wait for someone to do a number crunch. Bold are confirmed, non-bold are the leak.
1 All is Dust - Mythic 3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn - Mythic 4 Karn Liberated - Mythic
5? Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Mythic
6? Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
xx Austere Command - Rare
xx Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobyte - Mythic
xx Iona, Shield of Emeria - Mythic
xx Cryptic Command - Rare
xx Tezzeret the Seeker - Mythic 67 Vendillion Clique - Mythic
xx Dark Confidant - Mythic
xx Profane Command - Rare
xx Goblin Guide - Rare
xx Incendiary Command - Rare 129 Splinter Twin - Rare
xx Noble Hierarch - Rare
xx Primal Command - Rare 165 Tarmogoyf - Mythic
xx Fulminator Mage - Rare/Mythic
xx Etched Champion - Rare
xx Mox Opal - Mythic 230 Spellskite - Rare
Pretty sure Wurmcoil Engine and the Urzatron will be in here, which helps fill up some of the space below Spellskite. They might also do a vivid land cycle reprint, but I'm personally hoping for the Filter Lands.
With as many colorless and artifacts as there seem to be going into this set (Spellskite is #230 with 19 cards after it) All is Dust seems like a sure lock and would support the leak. For the other, Conscription would be fun, but Artisan seems likely.
I don't think we'll see the old swords again in this, but if we do, the set would blow my mind. The modern masters swords are very pricey, and I'd gladly take them a second time. Manlands and filterlands would be a nice choice, but what I'd love to see is grove of the burnwillows and horizon canopy. The price of those two is ridiculous.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I don't think we'll see the old swords again in this, but if we do, the set would blow my mind. The modern masters swords are very pricey, and I'd gladly take them a second time. Manlands and filterlands would be a nice choice, but what I'd love to see is grove of the burnwillows and horizon canopy. The price of those two is ridiculous.
Well since Bob and termogoyf are in again, most likely due to them not dropping in price all that much, it might be reasonable to suspect that the higher the card's price has risen the more likely it will show up in modern masters. "The nail that sticks out gets the hammer" sorta deal.
Spellskite and Twin were certainly due for a reprint. Not that it's much surprise.
This contradicts the leak, which had Twin at mythic- but we don't have enough information to prove or disprove the leak yet.
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Spellskite and Twin were certainly due for a reprint. Not that it's much surprise.
This contradicts the leak, which had Twin at mythic- but we don't have enough information to prove or disprove the leak yet.
The leak could have the cards right, but rarity not so much. All the cards are believable, but I'm not quite confidant with the supposed rarities on them. I do have my speculations on some of them in what they most likely are. Though I'm sure we all do at this point.
The leak could have the cards right, but rarity not so much.
Yeah; if that list is real besides the rarities, I think there's at least the chance All is Dust gets printed at rare instead of mythic. Judging by your number crunch, you do too.
All the cards are believable, but I'm not quite confidant with the supposed rarities on them.
I see what you did there.
EDIT: As far as any other colorless mythics go, including artifacts or lands...I doubt it. We're already crammed with what we have if the leak is real, and if not, I can't imagine reprinting any versions of the swords would take up slots here. The classics were done in the last set, and the newer ones would take up to three slots. Wurmcoil Engine was already in last year's red Commander deck with the new frame. Batterskull could make it, but it had a promo not long ago, so I wouldn't bet on it.
I think the Shadowmoor block filter lands are likely to be reprinted here, honestly.
They aren't good for limited play, and they will eventually help drive some Standard-legal set's sales. The only dual lands we're likely to get in MM15 are the WWK manlands. Grove of the Burnwillows and Horizon Canopy should be reprinted based off of price alone, but they would be very odd as just those two, and again...not great for limited.
Besides the WWK manlands, I think some safer bets for lands would be on Gemstone Mine (U), Tectonic Edge (U), Inkmoth Nexus (R), and possibly the UrzaTron lands (C).
With Phyrexian mana confirmed, cards like Dismember, Apostle's Blessing, Mutagenic Growth, Gut Shot, and Gitaxian Probe are likely inclusions.
Liar or not, as Tackman said, I think it's a little disingenuous. For all we know this fake shift could have people scrambling to buy copies of said card during this small period of info. The leaker may have done it accidentally, but at the very same time he/she could be a shop owner, or at least have an influence on the market.
We all know that being a mythic OR rare has consequences, the price gap in the next few months could be huge. People who rushed to buy Splinter Twin within the last week, this news must have hurt. Ditto with any other card (like Fulminator Mage).
I do still think Fulminator is rare, and will caution anyone against buying it on the whim. As it stands, we do not have perfect info. Buy it (at its current price) at your own risk.
....Filterlands aren't good in limited? They manafix AND come into play untapped. Sure the more colors your deck is the worse filterlands get depending on your basic land configuration and the filterland color combinations but they are fantastic fixing as the ability to turn a forest into a 2 mountains via fire-lit thicket is quite good for double or tricolored cards/something like kiki-jiki or splinter twin. Filterlands should be in this set based on price alone as well as being quite scarce since they were printed in just shadowmoor. There isn't necessarily a standard block or blocks where the filterlands could fit in in the near future either. As for grove and canopy not being good in limited, again it's free enter the battlefield untapped colorfixing grove is a little meh but canopy being a painland is fine when it has a cantrip built into it lategame that could be gamechanging.
I doubt vivid lands are in this set. If they are and there's no other colorfixing lands...god that's just boring since they were in the last modern masters.
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I honestly think the "leak" has little to no speculative value at this point. Whether it was completely made up or simply contains mistakes, we know for certain it isn't all facts.
Yes we have? Artisan of Kozilek is in C14 and Emrakul was the first card spoiled...
The leak could be wrong still, but I don't think this disproves it.
lol, really?? A liar? You should have just stuck with people thinking that you thought he was a poor leaker. Your post reads like you feel that you were singled out to be taken a fool for. Why would the leaker lie? And who would think that they would get a kick out of it. Get real here. If you don't like that he didn't get the rarity right, then be skeptical. But to call him a liar is a bit much and your reasoning illustrates your thin skin.
I still think the list is legit.
If tron is an archtype as we expect it to be could they bump blood moon up for a red mythic to not hose the archtype? otherwise maybe Fulminator mage gets bumped and counts as the red mythic?
1 All is Dust - Mythic
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn - Mythic
4 Karn Liberated - Mythic
5? Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Mythic
6? Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
xx Austere Command - Rare
xx Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobyte - Mythic
xx Iona, Shield of Emeria - Mythic
xx Cryptic Command - Rare
xx Tezzeret the Seeker - Mythic
67 Vendillion Clique - Mythic
xx Dark Confidant - Mythic
xx Profane Command - Rare
xx Goblin Guide - Rare
xx Incendiary Command - Rare
129 Splinter Twin - Rare
xx Noble Hierarch - Rare
xx Primal Command - Rare
165 Tarmogoyf - Mythic
xx Fulminator Mage - Rare/Mythic
xx Etched Champion - Rare
xx Mox Opal - Mythic
230 Spellskite - Rare
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With as many colorless and artifacts as there seem to be going into this set (Spellskite is #230 with 19 cards after it) All is Dust seems like a sure lock and would support the leak. For the other, Conscription would be fun, but Artisan seems likely.
Well since Bob and termogoyf are in again, most likely due to them not dropping in price all that much, it might be reasonable to suspect that the higher the card's price has risen the more likely it will show up in modern masters. "The nail that sticks out gets the hammer" sorta deal.
This contradicts the leak, which had Twin at mythic- but we don't have enough information to prove or disprove the leak yet.
The leak could have the cards right, but rarity not so much. All the cards are believable, but I'm not quite confidant with the supposed rarities on them. I do have my speculations on some of them in what they most likely are. Though I'm sure we all do at this point.
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Yeah; if that list is real besides the rarities, I think there's at least the chance All is Dust gets printed at rare instead of mythic. Judging by your number crunch, you do too.
I see what you did there.
EDIT: As far as any other colorless mythics go, including artifacts or lands...I doubt it. We're already crammed with what we have if the leak is real, and if not, I can't imagine reprinting any versions of the swords would take up slots here. The classics were done in the last set, and the newer ones would take up to three slots. Wurmcoil Engine was already in last year's red Commander deck with the new frame. Batterskull could make it, but it had a promo not long ago, so I wouldn't bet on it.
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They aren't good for limited play, and they will eventually help drive some Standard-legal set's sales. The only dual lands we're likely to get in MM15 are the WWK manlands. Grove of the Burnwillows and Horizon Canopy should be reprinted based off of price alone, but they would be very odd as just those two, and again...not great for limited.
Besides the WWK manlands, I think some safer bets for lands would be on Gemstone Mine (U), Tectonic Edge (U), Inkmoth Nexus (R), and possibly the UrzaTron lands (C).
With Phyrexian mana confirmed, cards like Dismember, Apostle's Blessing, Mutagenic Growth, Gut Shot, and Gitaxian Probe are likely inclusions.
We all know that being a mythic OR rare has consequences, the price gap in the next few months could be huge. People who rushed to buy Splinter Twin within the last week, this news must have hurt. Ditto with any other card (like Fulminator Mage).
I do still think Fulminator is rare, and will caution anyone against buying it on the whim. As it stands, we do not have perfect info. Buy it (at its current price) at your own risk.
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I doubt vivid lands are in this set. If they are and there's no other colorfixing lands...god that's just boring since they were in the last modern masters.
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That was a mistake by whomever made the mockup; the leaker didn't mention its rarity.
I'm curious why you think the man lands are too strong for Standard? They were fine the first time around, what would be different now?