If you print a lot: stores complain, players stop playing, revised edition and reserve list fiasco. They can literally kill the game for this.
Why exactly would players stop playing? I don't get this argument.
If the product is overproduced to the point of destroying secondary market value (like what happened in Chronicles) then suddenly companies find themselves with thousands less in inventory, literally overnight. Stores lose so much in assets that they're unable to keep making money, forcing them to close. With no LGS to play at, people will drop out of the game, causing more LGSs (that DID manage to survive the immediate crash) to lose faith in the game's ability to keep them afloat, so they'll either shut down or just get out of MTG, causing more displaced players...you can see where this is going.
When it happened in Chronicles, the class-action suit filed against Wizards by the broke shopkeepers could have bankrupted the company. If a similar event happened and caused another lawsuit on THIS scale, it could not only bankrupt wizards but seriously threaten Hasbro.
Can you please clarify if you believe this is actually a plausible outcome in this day and age? There is an important difference between the process you describe and a small number of overvalued cards falling in price. It's not enough to say 'This is what would happen if literally every card was printed till it cost five cents, THEREFORE THEY MUSTN'T REPRINT ANYTHING!' You cannot simply scale Chronicles up to the size the game is now, because a set can only have so many cards. Chronicles had a certain percentage of all the cards that had at that point been printed; Modern Masters had a much much smaller percentage. It is therefore completely absurd to suggest that a small LGS's inventory would be rendered valueless by such a printing. They would have cards that had not been reprinted that would benefit from increased demand and buffer their loss. I don't see any evidence that such a catastrophe is even remotely plausible and I think it's irresponsible to imply that it is.
Most stores sell other things than Magic cards. If they put everything they have in Magic then they are foolish and deserve to fail. Smart businesses diversify. If you lose a bunch on duel lands going down for example, it shouldn't even matter as you probably are selling comics and board games too. Hell, duel lands shouldn't even be the bulk of what you are selling Magic-wise since the vast majority of players are looking for casual stuff and sealed product.
But none of that matters since Wizards is actually smart about reprints and even when they do reprint in the traditional sense PLAYERS PRAISED THEM. Polluted Delta was worth 120$ last year. It was reprinted, the prices fell and everyone cheered! Reprints will only grow the game. The only time we've experienced a Chronicles level backlash... was during Chronicles!
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The owner of my lgs told me we should get 48 boxes this time around. The first modern masters graced us with 12 boxes, I believe, so that's an improvement, if anything.
I'm on pretty good terms with the owner of said lgs, so we had a little talk about the product. And even though he gets more this time, he plans to not sell about 50% or even more of it because of a potential and inevitable rise in sealed product value. Man I love my lgs, but that attitude riles me up. I jokingly tackled the issue by pointing out that if everyone did that, we might all just be better of hoarding product and selling it online. His answer was pretty much as I expected: everyone does it, he would be stupid if he didn't do it... he'd lose money if he didn't do it. I really do understand where he's coming from, but this just feels wrong. This product really needs a bigger print run and while you're at it, sell it at wal-mart and other big stores and put it into the hands of players.
At as a business, he is doing one of the many things that will tank his business faster than many realize. He is tying up a lot of capital in those boxes to let them sit and "hold" value; capital which could be spent getting other product which would in turn likely sell more quickly and readily than expensive specialty products. Holding onto 25 or so boxes will likely tie up several thousand dollars worth of investment capital.
A store front's first and foremost purpose should be to sell as much product as humanly possible as quickly as possible. It's called turn over, and time and again I see failing shops fail to realize this. They are having financial troubles even though they are sitting on thousands of dollars "worth" of product because it'll be worth more in the future. That's asinine from any reasonable business perspective. It's a trap, and a failing business plan. Do it too much, and when you really need the capital, there won't be nearly enough buyers at the increased price to sell it off reasonably.
Seriously, this mind set aggravates me to no end. Stores stand to make more money more quickly by having a significantly higher turnover on their product, and more available capital to invest in product that is more desirable to a larger subset of the population. At a higher price, he may find 1-2 people every month interested in a box, at best. Compare that to a product which you could forseeably sell out of frequently due to mugh higher demand. Less money made per sale, but far far more over the course of several dozens of sales.
I seriously wonder some time how these shops stay in business. It's also no wonder why so many shutter their doors.
Econ 101, amen!
Also the majority of those owners happen to have the crappiest attitude.
Most stores sell other things than Magic cards. If they put everything they have in Magic then they are foolish and deserve to fail. Smart businesses diversify. If you lose a bunch on duel lands going down for example, it shouldn't even matter as you probably are selling comics and board games too. Hell, duel lands shouldn't even be the bulk of what you are selling Magic-wise since the vast majority of players are looking for casual stuff and sealed product.
But none of that matters since Wizards is actually smart about reprints and even when they do reprint in the traditional sense PLAYERS PRAISED THEM. Polluted Delta was worth 120$ last year. It was reprinted, the prices fell and everyone cheered! Reprints will only grow the game. The only time we've experienced a Chronicles level backlash... was during Chronicles!
Most stores make more money from T2 boosters, sleeves and snacks than from a single Tarmogoyf.
In fact if you're holding Tarmogoyfs you're not making money. You're losing money because you invested in that ***** and the capital isn't moving.
Stores that hoard valuable cards desserve to go bankrupt because they're not doing what a store is meant to do: Sell.
Most stores sell other things than Magic cards. If they put everything they have in Magic then they are foolish and deserve to fail. Smart businesses diversify. If you lose a bunch on duel lands going down for example, it shouldn't even matter as you probably are selling comics and board games too. Hell, duel lands shouldn't even be the bulk of what you are selling Magic-wise since the vast majority of players are looking for casual stuff and sealed product.
But none of that matters since Wizards is actually smart about reprints and even when they do reprint in the traditional sense PLAYERS PRAISED THEM. Polluted Delta was worth 120$ last year. It was reprinted, the prices fell and everyone cheered! Reprints will only grow the game. The only time we've experienced a Chronicles level backlash... was during Chronicles!
I know for a fact that there are some Forbidden Planet stores (UK chain, brought out Another World a few years ago) that are only still open because of the amount of MTG product they shift, and I'm sure that if there weren't cards worth crazy amounts of money there wouldn't be people pre-ordering thousands of pounds worth of product every time a set come out.
On the point of fetches being reprinted, I know a few guys who were disappointed in it due to already owning the more expensive fetches like Delta. Personally I think it's good to reduce the cost in cards such as lands that almost everybody needs to play Eternal Formats, but I also think that expensive cards like Tarmogoyf, Bob, Snapcaster ect are a necessity to encourage more packs to be open to try and get these cards. Realistically I don't think anyone would have cared about M14(?) if Mutavault wasn't reprinted in it.
I think it will be interesting to see how much Polluted Delta is in 3 years not that Modern has a demand for it.
I know for a fact that there are some Forbidden Planet stores (UK chain, brought out Another World a few years ago) that are only still open because of the amount of MTG product they shift, and I'm sure that if there weren't cards worth crazy amounts of money there wouldn't be people pre-ordering thousands of pounds worth of product every time a set come out.
Slow down for a second here. How do you imagine the devaluation of old cards will impact pre-orders of new cards? And none of of this "but if something that won't ever happen happens, then the game will die!" nonsense, this is exactly why that kind of talk is not helpful here. The premise is that devaluing old cards will drive out of business retailers who base an untenable percentage of their business on vast reserves older singles. To prove that such a business actually exists, you give an example of a business that relies on selling large quantities of new cards. Do you understand that this is not an appropriate example? For the entire chain to work there has to be at least some companies going out of business due to losses in the secondary market of old cards. You can't just assume that market confidence will crumble in order to prove that market confidence will crumble!
Most stores sell other things than Magic cards. If they put everything they have in Magic then they are foolish and deserve to fail. Smart businesses diversify. If you lose a bunch on duel lands going down for example, it shouldn't even matter as you probably are selling comics and board games too. Hell, duel lands shouldn't even be the bulk of what you are selling Magic-wise since the vast majority of players are looking for casual stuff and sealed product.
But none of that matters since Wizards is actually smart about reprints and even when they do reprint in the traditional sense PLAYERS PRAISED THEM. Polluted Delta was worth 120$ last year. It was reprinted, the prices fell and everyone cheered! Reprints will only grow the game. The only time we've experienced a Chronicles level backlash... was during Chronicles!
Most stores make more money from T2 boosters, sleeves and snacks than from a single Tarmogoyf.
In fact if you're holding Tarmogoyfs you're not making money. You're losing money because you invested in that ***** and the capital isn't moving.
Stores that hoard valuable cards desserve to go bankrupt because they're not doing what a store is meant to do: Sell.
Yes. Marquee reprints are good for LGSs. It generates excitement for the set and moves product.
I've yet to hear a good reason why this isn't following the Conspiracy model (price and print run).
I think wizards still wants to be conservative with the Modern Masters product. That being said, I think they are being way too conservative with the print run. I would prefer MM2015 to be printed like Conspiracy (I.E. still available after a year), but I understand that WOTC is still testing the waters.
I hope MM2017 won't be MRSP $12.99 and slightly more available, but I sense a pattern.
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Goyf would be fine in standard after a couple of years, just need thoughtseize and fetches to rotate out first.
Let's return to Dominaria and see some more Lhurgoyfs
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Goyf would be fine in standard after a couple of years, just need thoughtseize and fetches to rotate out first.
Let's return to Dominaria and see some more Lhurgoyfs
I think Goyf would be fine in standard at the moment. There's a lot of cheap removal in standard. Ultimate Price, Roast, Reality Shift, Banishing light, Green has the ability to fight creatures.
Goyf would be fine in standard after a couple of years, just need thoughtseize and fetches to rotate out first.
Let's return to Dominaria and see some more Lhurgoyfs
I think Goyf would be fine in standard at the moment. There's a lot of cheap removal in standard. Ultimate Price, Roast, Reality Shift, Banishing light, Green has the ability to fight creatures.
I really don't get Maro's belief that it's too strong for standard. Standard is an entirely different beast than eternal formats. Equally, Goyf wasn't particularly dominant in its last standard from what I can tell. Present, certainly, but not dominant. Things have changed significantly since then. Creatures have gotten insanely better. At that time a 3/3 for 2 was incredible. Currently its borderline unplayable. Meanwhile, people are saying that cards like Dragonlord Kolaghan are borderline unplayable, where as in that era Rorix Bladewing was a perfectly viable creature. Creatures have gotten significantly better than what existed back then, and given that Goyf wasn't quite good enough for extensive standard play at the time, I see no reason why it would somehow be better now. It would see play, but it would not be crippling. Standard plays more removal, and can afford to play go larger.
It's certainly not as obscene as something like Siege Rhino, which they seem perfectly content with running over Standard.
Goyf is certainly good, but just because it is a staple in eternal does not mean it's too good for Standard. See Deathrite or RtR era Delver of Secrets, or more recently Young Pyro for that. In the current standard it may be too much; it would be a 4/5 for 2 commonly and easily a 5/6 or so depending. In other standards it would likely start as a 0/1 if you cast it on turn 2, and get to being a 3/4 most of the time (As it's difficult to get lands in the graveyard). A 3/4 for 2 that will occasionally get to a 4/5 if you can get a Planeswalker or some such in the graveyard is certainly good; it is hardly breath taking when 3/3s for 2, even with an upside (Fleecemane Lion) don't even see a ton of play and are often on the short list of cuts to be made for a deck.
I think the real reason we will not see goyf in standard is because it's to big to fail. At 200 dollars reprinting it in standard would upset a lot of players. I do think there's a need though.
I think the real reason we will not see goyf in standard is because it's to big to fail. At 200 dollars reprinting it in standard would upset a lot of players. I do think there's a need though.
Many people thought Polluted Delta at 120$ were too big to fail...
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I will do the community a favor and ignore this post. We've moved on, it is time you did as well.
Funny how you only deam it nessary to move on when you have no way to wiggle out of your wrogness. (also not replying to somethin is not ignorinng it)
On topic.
There really isn't a risk of over printing this set. Even if this set where printed to saturation that would still be an EV per box of $240. Upsacaling from a normal set this would give us an:
average mythic value of $25 with individual mythics ranging from a couple of bucks - $150
average rare value of $5 with individual rares ranging from under a buck - $35
As in MM one most of the value was at mythic(was there any rares worth over $25?), having an average mythic vaule of $30-40 is quite reasonable.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
It would be very easy to say that Chronicles probably set MTG back 5 years... it seriously hurt a lot early fans and kinda fractured the playerbase in half. Doing anything of that sort today would be disastrous, and I think it's safe to say they learned their lesson.
No one even bought or played with chronicles back in the day. The set was pure garbage outside of Ehrnahms and City of Brass. The people who made a fuss were the scrubs who collected and don't actually even play.
Lets assume that all 3 GPs have max attendance (18000 people)
That means that there will be 4500 boxes opened on just day 1. At draft we can assume approximately 1500 with enough points to move on which means 4688 boxes opened.
There are 29 Sealed events with 400 players which means another 2900 boxes opened. There will also be on demand drafts all day on Thursday and Friday where I think we can assume another 100 drafts of 32 players a day drafting which means another 800 boxes. Please Note the daily events was for Vegas only.
I calculate about 8400 boxes opened (not including side events at Japan and Utrecht). The GPs alone will put 2800 non-Foil goyfs on the market. Add that this GP event will be expected to be 4 times larger than 2013 and the word that stores are getting about 4x more product than 2013 we can expect to see a lot of new goyfs.
Thankfully the art is the same so there should be less "collecting."
No one even bought or played with chronicles back in the day. The set was pure garbage outside of Ehrnahms and City of Brass. The people who made a fuss were the scrubs who collected and don't actually even play.
I don't think it's fair to call those who opt to collect and not play scrubs. People have different interests, to insult somebody for holding a different interest than your own is childish.
As for my point of splitting the fanbase in half, that's exactly what it did, it split the players and financial part of the market in half. For MTG, as a game, to thrive, both of those sectors need to be in sync and healthy.
I think the real reason we will not see goyf in standard is because it's to big to fail. At 200 dollars reprinting it in standard would upset a lot of players. I do think there's a need though.
You know they just reprinted 5 cards six months ago that ranged from $120-$70 and when that happened there were more people praising the idea than harping about how it was a bad idea to do so. Polluted Delta went from $120 to $12 and I don't know anyone that thinks it was wrong.
No one even bought or played with chronicles back in the day. The set was pure garbage outside of Ehrnahms and City of Brass. The people who made a fuss were the scrubs who collected and don't actually even play.
I don't think it's fair to call those who opt to collect and not play scrubs. People have different interests, to insult somebody for holding a different interest than your own is childish.
As for my point of splitting the fanbase in half, that's exactly what it did, it split the players and financial part of the market in half. For MTG, as a game, to thrive, both of those sectors need to be in sync and healthy.
It's a game first and foremost. Collectors can do their thing, but WotC should not bend over backwards to protect their collections. We're not even talking about Reserve List items here.
I expected less pettiness out of you. I was wrong about the availability and affordability issue, if it was not clear I was wrong, I admitted that and reiterate that point here.
It is clear from your sig that you are unsatisfied with card prices, and MM2015 will help with that issue.
Now shut up and talk about MM2015.
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Can you please clarify if you believe this is actually a plausible outcome in this day and age? There is an important difference between the process you describe and a small number of overvalued cards falling in price. It's not enough to say 'This is what would happen if literally every card was printed till it cost five cents, THEREFORE THEY MUSTN'T REPRINT ANYTHING!' You cannot simply scale Chronicles up to the size the game is now, because a set can only have so many cards. Chronicles had a certain percentage of all the cards that had at that point been printed; Modern Masters had a much much smaller percentage. It is therefore completely absurd to suggest that a small LGS's inventory would be rendered valueless by such a printing. They would have cards that had not been reprinted that would benefit from increased demand and buffer their loss. I don't see any evidence that such a catastrophe is even remotely plausible and I think it's irresponsible to imply that it is.
But none of that matters since Wizards is actually smart about reprints and even when they do reprint in the traditional sense PLAYERS PRAISED THEM. Polluted Delta was worth 120$ last year. It was reprinted, the prices fell and everyone cheered! Reprints will only grow the game. The only time we've experienced a Chronicles level backlash... was during Chronicles!
a program of a slightly different strain.
Tonight my listeners, a new power will rise,
unleashed upon you all in this musical disguise.
Your cities turn to ash, for the broadcast is cursed.
The signal is peaking and can't be reversed.
If you choose my children, you can try to hide.
But I strongly suggest you run for your life."
-The Sermon 2, The Creepshow
Econ 101, amen!
Also the majority of those owners happen to have the crappiest attitude.
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Most stores make more money from T2 boosters, sleeves and snacks than from a single Tarmogoyf.
In fact if you're holding Tarmogoyfs you're not making money. You're losing money because you invested in that ***** and the capital isn't moving.
Stores that hoard valuable cards desserve to go bankrupt because they're not doing what a store is meant to do: Sell.
I know for a fact that there are some Forbidden Planet stores (UK chain, brought out Another World a few years ago) that are only still open because of the amount of MTG product they shift, and I'm sure that if there weren't cards worth crazy amounts of money there wouldn't be people pre-ordering thousands of pounds worth of product every time a set come out.
On the point of fetches being reprinted, I know a few guys who were disappointed in it due to already owning the more expensive fetches like Delta. Personally I think it's good to reduce the cost in cards such as lands that almost everybody needs to play Eternal Formats, but I also think that expensive cards like Tarmogoyf, Bob, Snapcaster ect are a necessity to encourage more packs to be open to try and get these cards. Realistically I don't think anyone would have cared about M14(?) if Mutavault wasn't reprinted in it.
I think it will be interesting to see how much Polluted Delta is in 3 years not that Modern has a demand for it.
Slow down for a second here. How do you imagine the devaluation of old cards will impact pre-orders of new cards? And none of of this "but if something that won't ever happen happens, then the game will die!" nonsense, this is exactly why that kind of talk is not helpful here. The premise is that devaluing old cards will drive out of business retailers who base an untenable percentage of their business on vast reserves older singles. To prove that such a business actually exists, you give an example of a business that relies on selling large quantities of new cards. Do you understand that this is not an appropriate example? For the entire chain to work there has to be at least some companies going out of business due to losses in the secondary market of old cards. You can't just assume that market confidence will crumble in order to prove that market confidence will crumble!
Yes. Marquee reprints are good for LGSs. It generates excitement for the set and moves product.
I've yet to hear a good reason why this isn't following the Conspiracy model (price and print run).
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I hope MM2017 won't be MRSP $12.99 and slightly more available, but I sense a pattern.
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Let's return to Dominaria and see some more Lhurgoyfs
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-Nicol Bolas
How can you sense a pattern when there's literally two entries?
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I really don't get Maro's belief that it's too strong for standard. Standard is an entirely different beast than eternal formats. Equally, Goyf wasn't particularly dominant in its last standard from what I can tell. Present, certainly, but not dominant. Things have changed significantly since then. Creatures have gotten insanely better. At that time a 3/3 for 2 was incredible. Currently its borderline unplayable. Meanwhile, people are saying that cards like Dragonlord Kolaghan are borderline unplayable, where as in that era Rorix Bladewing was a perfectly viable creature. Creatures have gotten significantly better than what existed back then, and given that Goyf wasn't quite good enough for extensive standard play at the time, I see no reason why it would somehow be better now. It would see play, but it would not be crippling. Standard plays more removal, and can afford to play go larger.
It's certainly not as obscene as something like Siege Rhino, which they seem perfectly content with running over Standard.
Goyf is certainly good, but just because it is a staple in eternal does not mean it's too good for Standard. See Deathrite or RtR era Delver of Secrets, or more recently Young Pyro for that. In the current standard it may be too much; it would be a 4/5 for 2 commonly and easily a 5/6 or so depending. In other standards it would likely start as a 0/1 if you cast it on turn 2, and get to being a 3/4 most of the time (As it's difficult to get lands in the graveyard). A 3/4 for 2 that will occasionally get to a 4/5 if you can get a Planeswalker or some such in the graveyard is certainly good; it is hardly breath taking when 3/3s for 2, even with an upside (Fleecemane Lion) don't even see a ton of play and are often on the short list of cuts to be made for a deck.
Many people thought Polluted Delta at 120$ were too big to fail...
a program of a slightly different strain.
Tonight my listeners, a new power will rise,
unleashed upon you all in this musical disguise.
Your cities turn to ash, for the broadcast is cursed.
The signal is peaking and can't be reversed.
If you choose my children, you can try to hide.
But I strongly suggest you run for your life."
-The Sermon 2, The Creepshow
Funny how you only deam it nessary to move on when you have no way to wiggle out of your wrogness. (also not replying to somethin is not ignorinng it)
On topic.
There really isn't a risk of over printing this set. Even if this set where printed to saturation that would still be an EV per box of $240. Upsacaling from a normal set this would give us an:
average mythic value of $25 with individual mythics ranging from a couple of bucks - $150
average rare value of $5 with individual rares ranging from under a buck - $35
As in MM one most of the value was at mythic(was there any rares worth over $25?), having an average mythic vaule of $30-40 is quite reasonable.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
No one even bought or played with chronicles back in the day. The set was pure garbage outside of Ehrnahms and City of Brass. The people who made a fuss were the scrubs who collected and don't actually even play.
Lets assume that all 3 GPs have max attendance (18000 people)
That means that there will be 4500 boxes opened on just day 1. At draft we can assume approximately 1500 with enough points to move on which means 4688 boxes opened.
There are 29 Sealed events with 400 players which means another 2900 boxes opened. There will also be on demand drafts all day on Thursday and Friday where I think we can assume another 100 drafts of 32 players a day drafting which means another 800 boxes. Please Note the daily events was for Vegas only.
I calculate about 8400 boxes opened (not including side events at Japan and Utrecht). The GPs alone will put 2800 non-Foil goyfs on the market. Add that this GP event will be expected to be 4 times larger than 2013 and the word that stores are getting about 4x more product than 2013 we can expect to see a lot of new goyfs.
Thankfully the art is the same so there should be less "collecting."
I don't think it's fair to call those who opt to collect and not play scrubs. People have different interests, to insult somebody for holding a different interest than your own is childish.
As for my point of splitting the fanbase in half, that's exactly what it did, it split the players and financial part of the market in half. For MTG, as a game, to thrive, both of those sectors need to be in sync and healthy.
You know they just reprinted 5 cards six months ago that ranged from $120-$70 and when that happened there were more people praising the idea than harping about how it was a bad idea to do so. Polluted Delta went from $120 to $12 and I don't know anyone that thinks it was wrong.
It's a game first and foremost. Collectors can do their thing, but WotC should not bend over backwards to protect their collections. We're not even talking about Reserve List items here.
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Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
It is clear from your sig that you are unsatisfied with card prices, and MM2015 will help with that issue.
Now shut up and talk about MM2015.
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"Above the waves you may be mighty indeed, but down here you belong to me."
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"The essence of every world, every spell, and every thought is power. Nothing else matters, because nothing else exists."
-Nicol Bolas