What do you guys see about having the Titan cycle reprinted in MM2? Seems like it could happen for sure, Prime Time sees a lot of play and a couple of the other ones see fringe play. In edition they are from M11, making then from the era they're highlighting and they fill up the mythic slot.
What do you guys see about having the Titan cycle reprinted in MM2? Seems like it could happen for sure, Prime Time sees a lot of play and a couple of the other ones see fringe play. In edition they are from M11, making then from the era they're highlighting and they fill up the mythic slot.
I think it's quite possible that the New Phyrexia cut-off is exclusive rather than inclusive. Which is to say, a card is eligible if it wasn't printed after New Phyrexia rather than if it was printed before. This interpretation holds true for the first Modern Masters (replacing New Phyrexia with Alara Reborn, obviously) but of course that doesn't necessarily prove anything. If that is the way it works, though, the Titans would not be eligible because they were also in M12.
What do you guys see about having the Titan cycle reprinted in MM2? Seems like it could happen for sure, Prime Time sees a lot of play and a couple of the other ones see fringe play. In edition they are from M11, making then from the era they're highlighting and they fill up the mythic slot.
Unless they decided long ago to include titans, no. Remember: the sets are actually designed way before they're released, and Bloom Titan deck is only now rising to popularity, but the set is probably already done since months
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What do you guys see about having the Titan cycle reprinted in MM2? Seems like it could happen for sure, Prime Time sees a lot of play and a couple of the other ones see fringe play. In edition they are from M11, making then from the era they're highlighting and they fill up the mythic slot.
Unless they decided long ago to include titans, no. Remember: the sets are actually designed way before they're released, and Bloom Titan deck is only now rising to popularity, but the set is probably already done since months
Even if that was the only deck to ever play titans (it's not), the Primer on this very site was posted almost a year ago. It makes reference to articles from 2013. The deck was certainly known at the time Modern Masters 2015 would have been finalised. While I think, as I said in my above post, that the titans themselves will have to wait a bit due to their presence in M12, I think Amulet of Vigor and Hive Mind are both likely inclusions in MM2015.
What do you guys see about having the Titan cycle reprinted in MM2? Seems like it could happen for sure, Prime Time sees a lot of play and a couple of the other ones see fringe play. In edition they are from M11, making then from the era they're highlighting and they fill up the mythic slot.
Unless they decided long ago to include titans, no. Remember: the sets are actually designed way before they're released, and Bloom Titan deck is only now rising to popularity, but the set is probably already done since months
This set isn't just about what is in modern decks. Some part of it is about printing cards that they are afraid to re-print for standard but there is a demand for. Doubling Season is the essence of this from the last set. There were several people arguing it would not be in but I was sure of it. It had and probably still has a high price tag while they are scared of printing it because they think it will make some over powered PW deck. Personally I think they are overly worried but that will not change their mind.
The titans reach further than modern. Particularly I think the green titan has been expensive for a while. They have also had a backlash of people not liking them being reprinted before because of standard reasons. So they are probably a little shy of putting them into standard.
I don't think they are an auto include right now but I would not count them out simply because no tier 1 modern deck was playing them.
The problem with printing the Titans as a cycle is that a full cycle reprint isn't what's needed; the only one really up there in value is Prime Time. The other four have either seen multiple reprints in Commander or Dual Deck products (all but Primeval) or are easy to pick up because they're sub-dollar cards (Inferno and Frost).
I could see Prime Time reprinted, but clogging up four other mythic slots with readily-available inexpensive mythics seems like a good way to annoy a lot of people.
Yes please. These would be great for everyone, as three of them are still rather expensive and they would fill the "crazy bomb that wins the game" slots.
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Goyf still mythic though... price won't go down and will still be hard to get. Also, Karn.
Price will probably go down a fair but, it won't be cheap but will probably go down a fair percentage. Don't forget they are printing MM in 3 languages. The print run this time will probably be 3 times or more of MM1.
This will be Goyfs 3rd printing and the MMA2 print run will be larger than the last. It's not doubt going to drop in price unless Modern popularity explodes by some inordinate amount.
Filterlands however, I could totally see in a standard legal set. There's no neccessity to reprint them in such a scarce product like mm.
MM2 also needs Grove of the Burnwillows and Horizon Canopy. They've shown that they like to do cycles even when the other parts of the cycle suck, so I'd expect the Future Sight dual cycle to make an appearance. It was all friendly-colored, so that leaves a perfect void to do a cycle of foe-colored lands (enemy fetches).
Let me ask you something. Did you notice anything missing from MM1 as far as lands go? As in there are no rare cycles of dual lands at all, and that the rare lands that do exist promote a given strategy beyond just fixing mana (Aside from City of Brass, which could go in any number of decks).
There is a reason for this. Modern Masters was designed to be heavily draftable. Rare dual land cycles are printed for Standard constructed play. Rare dual cycles suck for drafting. They are really, really bad for drafting at that. People pick them simply because of value, not because of deck building decisions. Equally, they come up far too infrequently to actually matter as far as helping your mana is concerned. Part of the reason why MM1 drafting was good was because they didn't have to include a rare dual cycle to help Standard play. A full cycle of 10 duals is a lot of real estate to include in a set. Even five can skew a draft significantly.
Couple this with the fact that Modern Masters sets are by design meant for things that are difficult to put into Standard again, particularly the rares. The fetches, as should be bloody well obvious to anyone, are free game for a standard reprint at some point. They have no reason to be in MM2.
I would absolutely shocked if any rare dual cycle appears in MM2, and absolutely stunned if Fetches appear. It would be the worst design decision I have seen in a very long time, as MM products are designed heavily to be extremely strong limited formats. Rare Duals are practically antithesis to a strong draft format.
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I don't care that Goyf is still mythic, it is coming back so Wizards does listen. Also Karn, thank you God! GG is gravy if we see it but I legitimately need nothing else frI'm the set
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My bet for mythic cycle goes to praetors. More fun to play them, every has very different abilities triggering at various phases of a turn, not the simple "on attack or ETB", better targets for reanimation (also possible archetype missed in MMA). Just please not titans, that would be even worse than kami dragons in MMA...
Why would that be worse? At least they are actually Modern-playable.
Also, I don't think anyone wants to be opening up Jin-Gitaxias in Limited.
Guys do u think that Karn will drop to lower than 40$( he is at 50 now)? I can buy 2 for 40$ and now i dont know if i should to... Plus i like the new frame and the mtg sticker on the mm2 edition !!
The original Modern Masters didn't really lower the prices of any of the mythics in it with it being a limited print run and expensive packs. I wouldn't really expect the mythics here to drop in price much either. That's why people were so salty that Goyf was mythic in here, too.
Guys do u think that Karn will drop to lower than 40$( he is at 50 now)? I can buy 2 for 40$ and now i dont know if i should to... Plus i like the new frame and the mtg sticker on the mm2 edition !!
The original Modern Masters didn't really lower the prices of any of the mythics in it with it being a limited print run and expensive packs. I wouldn't really expect the mythics here to drop in price much either. That's why people were so salty that Goyf was mythic in here, too.
Entirely false. It dropped the price on all of the mythics except for 'goyf, Bob, and Clique. And even those dropped for a short amount of time before skyrocketing back up. However, it is unclear what the print run is going to be right now, so it is hard to say what MM2 will do to prices.
It makes sense if Dark Confidant isn't black's mythic or if it returns to rare.
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I think it's quite possible that the New Phyrexia cut-off is exclusive rather than inclusive. Which is to say, a card is eligible if it wasn't printed after New Phyrexia rather than if it was printed before. This interpretation holds true for the first Modern Masters (replacing New Phyrexia with Alara Reborn, obviously) but of course that doesn't necessarily prove anything. If that is the way it works, though, the Titans would not be eligible because they were also in M12.
Unless they decided long ago to include titans, no. Remember: the sets are actually designed way before they're released, and Bloom Titan deck is only now rising to popularity, but the set is probably already done since months
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Even if that was the only deck to ever play titans (it's not), the Primer on this very site was posted almost a year ago. It makes reference to articles from 2013. The deck was certainly known at the time Modern Masters 2015 would have been finalised. While I think, as I said in my above post, that the titans themselves will have to wait a bit due to their presence in M12, I think Amulet of Vigor and Hive Mind are both likely inclusions in MM2015.
This set isn't just about what is in modern decks. Some part of it is about printing cards that they are afraid to re-print for standard but there is a demand for. Doubling Season is the essence of this from the last set. There were several people arguing it would not be in but I was sure of it. It had and probably still has a high price tag while they are scared of printing it because they think it will make some over powered PW deck. Personally I think they are overly worried but that will not change their mind.
The titans reach further than modern. Particularly I think the green titan has been expensive for a while. They have also had a backlash of people not liking them being reprinted before because of standard reasons. So they are probably a little shy of putting them into standard.
I don't think they are an auto include right now but I would not count them out simply because no tier 1 modern deck was playing them.
I could see Prime Time reprinted, but clogging up four other mythic slots with readily-available inexpensive mythics seems like a good way to annoy a lot of people.
Then again, Kamaigawa dragons, so . . .
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Yes please. These would be great for everyone, as three of them are still rather expensive and they would fill the "crazy bomb that wins the game" slots.
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Price will probably go down a fair but, it won't be cheap but will probably go down a fair percentage. Don't forget they are printing MM in 3 languages. The print run this time will probably be 3 times or more of MM1.
Let me ask you something. Did you notice anything missing from MM1 as far as lands go? As in there are no rare cycles of dual lands at all, and that the rare lands that do exist promote a given strategy beyond just fixing mana (Aside from City of Brass, which could go in any number of decks).
There is a reason for this. Modern Masters was designed to be heavily draftable. Rare dual land cycles are printed for Standard constructed play. Rare dual cycles suck for drafting. They are really, really bad for drafting at that. People pick them simply because of value, not because of deck building decisions. Equally, they come up far too infrequently to actually matter as far as helping your mana is concerned. Part of the reason why MM1 drafting was good was because they didn't have to include a rare dual cycle to help Standard play. A full cycle of 10 duals is a lot of real estate to include in a set. Even five can skew a draft significantly.
Couple this with the fact that Modern Masters sets are by design meant for things that are difficult to put into Standard again, particularly the rares. The fetches, as should be bloody well obvious to anyone, are free game for a standard reprint at some point. They have no reason to be in MM2.
I would absolutely shocked if any rare dual cycle appears in MM2, and absolutely stunned if Fetches appear. It would be the worst design decision I have seen in a very long time, as MM products are designed heavily to be extremely strong limited formats. Rare Duals are practically antithesis to a strong draft format.
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Why would that be worse? At least they are actually Modern-playable.
Also, I don't think anyone wants to be opening up Jin-Gitaxias in Limited.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Entirely false. It dropped the price on all of the mythics except for 'goyf, Bob, and Clique. And even those dropped for a short amount of time before skyrocketing back up. However, it is unclear what the print run is going to be right now, so it is hard to say what MM2 will do to prices.
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