As worded, this Ugin allows you to turn Tokens face down. This seems very odd, but the rules make no distinction between token and non-token in this matter, only explicitly stating that double-faced cards can't be turned face down.
I sure hope it's fake!
Those first two abilities are pretty cool,
but that Ultimate is silly and doesn't work in EDH unless you have a very flexible play group :-(
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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That being the case, I'm not as skeptical about this card as I was originally. Wizards certainly could change the formatting on Planeswalker names in this set if they wanted to. But, losing the Ixidron argument, I feel like the odds of this being real are at least a little improved.
Foreword: I don't think this is real, the second ability is not grokkable at all, which kills it for me.
Regarding the first ability though, I imagine they would use just Ugin for translation reasons. Putting his entire name in and sending it off to the translators could possibly break the boarders they set for the text, hence the truncation.
Perhaps. I'm skeptical though. That text box looks pretty sparse, and even translated I can't imagine it wouldn't fit. They could just reduce the font size a bit; the guy doesn't even have flavor text or reminder text to clog it up.
201.4c Text printed on some legendary cards refers to that card by a shortened version of its name. Instances of a card’s shortened name used in this manner are treated as though they used the card’s full name.
mentioning legends but not planeswalkers, so unless this rule is changed for Ugin (it was changed for the Theros gods after all, so it's not imposible), this is most likely a fake.
Also, it doesn't look like a Raymond Swanland pic. As the quote on my sig says, too few spikes and fire.
MMMMMMMMM not sure I but it. but if real it is cool. Surprised there is no red in the cost, figured there would be. oh well
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I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Looks FAKE , but at least the abilities are ok ( the ultimate is strange, but is ok). The fact that the image is not new and that outside its ultimate all the abilities are things very predictable . And he can destroy anything with time or the chain veil... But could be LEGIT , we have to wait
A plus side is that with hin you can turn down anything even lands to 2/2
I looked for the artwork and saw it among the general artwork for Fate Reforged. The original image actually kind of looks like Fat Pack art. Past experience has shown me that if the art looks really good the card sucks or it's fat pack art.
Also, it doesn't look like a Raymond Swanland pic. As the quote on my sig says, too few spikes and fire.
GROAN. This isn't 2010. His Watery Grave is one of the prettiest lands ever illustrated.
And yes, I'm almost certain this is his. Having an actual style doesn't make you a bad artist.
There's a reason Rebecca Guay and Terese Nielsen have some of the staunchest fans.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
GROAN. This isn't 2010. His Watery Grave is one of the prettiest lands ever illustrated.
And yes, I'm almost certain this is his. Having an actual style doesn't make you a bad artist.
There's a reason Rebecca Guay and Terese Nielsen have some of the staunchest fans.
This looks way more like Jason Chan's work. As I said before" there is nothing about this art that feels Swanland to me. It might be, but the general lack of focus, soft edges, lack of movement and linear direction, and missing high contrast backlighting to accent the form means it's someone else. My money is on Jason Chan."
I mean, even the palette is wrong. The angel wings on there are class Chan too. Just look at how he handled Iona and Avacyn and especially Gisela.
Is there another source for the full image?
Because if not, this is almost certainly real, no matter how disappointing it is.
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GROAN. This isn't 2010. His Watery Grave is one of the prettiest lands ever illustrated.
And yes, I'm almost certain this is his. Having an actual style doesn't make you a bad artist.
There's a reason Rebecca Guay and Terese Nielsen have some of the staunchest fans.
This looks way more like Jason Chan's work. As I said before" there is nothing about this art that feels Swanland to me. It might be, but the general lack of focus, soft edges, lack of movement and linear direction, and missing high contrast backlighting to accent the form means it's someone else. My money is on Jason Chan."
I mean, even the palette is wrong. The angel wings on there are class Chan too. Just look at how he handled Iona and Avacyn and especially Gisela.
This is certainly possible- I'm nowhere near as familiar with Chan's work as I am Swanland's.
The main reason it looks like Swanland to me is the abundance of long, sweeping strokes as probably best illustrated in Faith's Reward and Devastation Tide. The palette is hardly definitive- not only has Swanland done cards like promo Zameck Guildmage (and that SWEET Underwater Dragon that was never put on a card, which has a very similar palette to this), it's also easy enough for someone else like the art director to change. To me, the real "hallmark" of most of RS's art are a few random "wisps" of light or darkness, like the dark swirls in Faith's Reward or the light swirls in Zameck Guildmage. I need to look at the full-sized pic for evidence of those.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
As worded, this Ugin allows you to turn Tokens face down. This seems very odd, but the rules make no distinction between token and non-token in this matter, only explicitly stating that double-faced cards can't be turned face down.
Actually, by the rules, a face down CARD is a 2/2 creature. Tokens aren't card. Tokens can't be turned facedown, only cards can be.
1. The colons are misaligned.
2. There doesn't need to more evidence because #1 closes the case.
3. No long-form name the first time.
4. No reminder text.
This is certainly possible- I'm nowhere near as familiar with Chan's work as I am Swanland's.
The main reason it looks like Swanland to me is the abundance of long, sweeping strokes as probably best illustrated in Faith's Reward and Devastation Tide. The palette is hardly definitive- not only has Swanland done cards like promo Zameck Guildmage (and that SWEET Underwater Dragon that was never put on a card, which has a very similar palette to this), it's also easy enough for someone else like the art director to change. To me, the real "hallmark" of most of RS's art are a few random "wisps" of light or darkness, like the light swirls in Elvish Mystic or the black swirls in Watery Grave. I need to look at the full-sized pic for evidence of those.
Elvish Mystic isn't by Swanland, but I see what you are looking at. And, I agree that that's a big part of his work. But I don't see any of that here. I see the same kind of big picture composition that he oftentimes uses, but the whispy lines you're talking about are always direct and not implied. Swanland's palette isn't just hue though. He has a very distinct sense of value contrast that is not present here (in the form of harsh backlighting).
Actually, by the rules, a face down CARD is a 2/2 creature. Tokens aren't card. Tokens can't be turned facedown, only cards can be.
707.2a If a face-up permanent is turned face down by a spell or ability, it becomes a 2/2 face-down creature with no text, no name, no subtypes, and no mana cost. These values are the copiable values of that object’s characteristics.
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Well there you go. Last poster posted the art needed to make this fake.
This would probably be the worst planeswalker of all time and a $2 mythic rare if it was like this.
I don't care how bad this would be, it's still better than Mr. Worse-than-milling-yourself-one. Ugin's minus is worse than Karn's minus, but it costs half the loyalty and his plus is likely better. Both of them just win upon ultimating usually.
This is certainly possible- I'm nowhere near as familiar with Chan's work as I am Swanland's.
The main reason it looks like Swanland to me is the abundance of long, sweeping strokes as probably best illustrated in Faith's Reward and Devastation Tide. The palette is hardly definitive- not only has Swanland done cards like promo Zameck Guildmage (and that SWEET Underwater Dragon that was never put on a card, which has a very similar palette to this), it's also easy enough for someone else like the art director to change. To me, the real "hallmark" of most of RS's art are a few random "wisps" of light or darkness, like the light swirls in Elvish Mystic or the black swirls in Watery Grave. I need to look at the full-sized pic for evidence of those.
Elvish Mystic isn't by Swanland, but I see what you are looking at. And, I agree that that's a big part of his work. But I don't see any of that here. I see the same kind of big picture composition that he oftentimes uses, but the whispy lines you're talking about are always direct and not implied. Swanland's palette isn't just hue though. He has a very distinct sense of value contrast that is not present here (in the form of harsh backlighting).
Yeah, I realized the Elvish Mystic mistake but corrected it a little too late
The Promo Zameck Guildmage is a good example of light used in the way I mentioned, but he usually prefers dark "wisps".
Having looked at the full art, I'm still not 100% certain- I can see a couple of wisps of light on the right edge (and coming out from the bottom of his screen right wing). That said, the clouds do look a bit too soft for Swanland. And you're absolutely right about most of RS's work having *very* high contrast, which this does not.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Yeah, I realized the Elvish Mystic mistake but corrected it a little too late
The Promo Zameck Guildmage is a good example of light used in the way I mentioned, but he usually prefers dark "wisps".
Having looked at the full art, I'm still not 100% certain- I can see a couple of wisps of light on the right edge (and coming out from the bottom of his screen right wing). That said, the clouds do look a bit too soft for Swanland. And you're absolutely right about most of RS's work having *very* high contrast, which this does not.
Right. But if you compare the aesthetics to Chan's work this thing is spot on. From my point of view the ONLY thing that says this is a Swanland illustration is the bottom of a bogus looking card. Everything else screams Chan - someone who doesn't have the reputation of "having a style" that some other artists do, but his fingerprints are pretty obvious once you start looking for them.
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Those first two abilities are pretty cool,
but that Ultimate is silly and doesn't work in EDH unless you have a very flexible play group :-(
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Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/299371-tokens-and-face-down-status
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/543799-what-happens-to-a-token-that-goes-facedown
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/281286-face-down-tokens
That being the case, I'm not as skeptical about this card as I was originally. Wizards certainly could change the formatting on Planeswalker names in this set if they wanted to. But, losing the Ixidron argument, I feel like the odds of this being real are at least a little improved.
Perhaps. I'm skeptical though. That text box looks pretty sparse, and even translated I can't imagine it wouldn't fit. They could just reduce the font size a bit; the guy doesn't even have flavor text or reminder text to clog it up.
201.4c Text printed on some legendary cards refers to that card by a shortened version of its name. Instances of a card’s shortened name used in this manner are treated as though they used the card’s full name.
mentioning legends but not planeswalkers, so unless this rule is changed for Ugin (it was changed for the Theros gods after all, so it's not imposible), this is most likely a fake.
Also, it doesn't look like a Raymond Swanland pic. As the quote on my sig says, too few spikes and fire.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
A plus side is that with hin you can turn down anything even lands to 2/2
GROAN. This isn't 2010. His Watery Grave is one of the prettiest lands ever illustrated.
And yes, I'm almost certain this is his. Having an actual style doesn't make you a bad artist.
There's a reason Rebecca Guay and Terese Nielsen have some of the staunchest fans.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
This looks way more like Jason Chan's work. As I said before" there is nothing about this art that feels Swanland to me. It might be, but the general lack of focus, soft edges, lack of movement and linear direction, and missing high contrast backlighting to accent the form means it's someone else. My money is on Jason Chan."
I mean, even the palette is wrong. The angel wings on there are class Chan too. Just look at how he handled Iona and Avacyn and especially Gisela.
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Because if not, this is almost certainly real, no matter how disappointing it is.
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This is certainly possible- I'm nowhere near as familiar with Chan's work as I am Swanland's.
The main reason it looks like Swanland to me is the abundance of long, sweeping strokes as probably best illustrated in Faith's Reward and Devastation Tide. The palette is hardly definitive- not only has Swanland done cards like promo Zameck Guildmage (and that SWEET Underwater Dragon that was never put on a card, which has a very similar palette to this), it's also easy enough for someone else like the art director to change. To me, the real "hallmark" of most of RS's art are a few random "wisps" of light or darkness, like the dark swirls in Faith's Reward or the light swirls in Zameck Guildmage. I need to look at the full-sized pic for evidence of those.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
1. The colons are misaligned.
2. There doesn't need to more evidence because #1 closes the case.
3. No long-form name the first time.
4. No reminder text.
Ajani Goldmane has pop-out art on two sides. Garruk, the Veil-Cursed pops out on three sides.
Full art is available here:
http://www.magicspoiler.com/fate-reforged
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707.2a If a face-up permanent is turned face down by a spell or ability, it becomes a 2/2 face-down creature with no text, no name, no subtypes, and no mana cost. These values are the copiable values of that object’s characteristics.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
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Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
This would probably be the worst planeswalker of all time and a $2 mythic rare if it was like this.
I don't care how bad this would be, it's still better than Mr. Worse-than-milling-yourself-one. Ugin's minus is worse than Karn's minus, but it costs half the loyalty and his plus is likely better. Both of them just win upon ultimating usually.
Yeah, I realized the Elvish Mystic mistake but corrected it a little too late
The Promo Zameck Guildmage is a good example of light used in the way I mentioned, but he usually prefers dark "wisps".
Having looked at the full art, I'm still not 100% certain- I can see a couple of wisps of light on the right edge (and coming out from the bottom of his screen right wing). That said, the clouds do look a bit too soft for Swanland. And you're absolutely right about most of RS's work having *very* high contrast, which this does not.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Source?
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
This is worse than playing Garruk, Apex Predator which sees no play anyway?
Sure it might be a level above Tibalt but that's really a moot point.