The only time we've seen rules that don't make any sense they are either explained OR they had silver borders. Currently Turning a card over is the same as Ashnod's Coupon in terms of game play - it means nothing. So, we'd need to have ~some~ guidance on what that mechanic means. It would need to specific that the card is now a morph creature and that the morph cost is the cmc. The artist credit is Swanland and there is nothing about this art that feels Swanland to me. It might be, but the general lack of focus, soft edges, lack of movement and linear direction, and missing high contrast backlighting to accent the form means it's someone else. My money is on Jason Chan. Ugin's first ability should state his whole name.
The only time we've seen rules that don't make any sense they are either explained OR they had silver borders. Currently Turning a card over is the same as Ashnod's Coupon in terms of game play - it means nothing.
It does. See the rules I quoted above. It turns it into a 2/2 colorless etc creature. It is a single-target Ixidron effect.
So, we'd need to have ~some~ guidance on what that mechanic means. It would need to specific that the card is now a morph creature and that the morph cost is the cmc.
No need for that. As written, you are effectively casting Beast Within (for a 2/2) on the target. It is not supposed to be reversible unless the target already has morph (and why would it need to be? Even that way it's still worse removal the Karn Liberated's middle ability).
It should have reminder text to prevent the rampant rules misunderstanding that is happening here, and that's the only problem I have with this ability.
The 2nd ability should not allow Ugin to target himself with it. It should read "Turn another target permanent face down."
Fake.
Disagree. For example, Karn Liberated can exile himself.
But the fact remains that the first ability has a glaring formatting error. It should read "Ugin, the Spirit Dragon deals 3 damage to..." This is really the nail in the coffin.
The 2nd ability should not allow Ugin to target himself with it. It should read "Turn another target permanent face down."
Fake.
Disagree. For example, Karn Liberated can exile himself.
But the fact remains that the first ability has a glaring formatting error. It should read "Ugin, the Spirit Dragon deals 3 damage to..." This is really the nail in the coffin.
Not necessarily. There's precedent for legendary creatures/planeswalkers having abbreviated names in their textbox, although it's rare. See Tymaret, the Murder King's second ability as an example. However, I'm still pretty suspicious as the abilities would still fit without the abbreviation.
Are we sure "The first time a card refers to itself it must use its full card title" is still a guiding principle? It wasn't for the 15 Theros gods.
I'm not sure when the principle applies. I am sure that the most recent planeswalker, Sarkhan, Dragonspeaker, does refer to his full name. All the Comm14 walkers do too, although it's in the context of stating they can be a commander, not an ability.
Not necessarily. There's precedent for legendary creatures/planeswalkers having abbreviated names in their textbox, although it's rare. See Tymaret, the Murder King's second ability as an example. However, I'm still pretty suspicious as the abilities would still fit without the abbreviation.
Tymaret is abbreviated because his name is already spelled out once on the card. Planeswalkers do not follow this format. Ex: Chandra, the Firebrand
So basically they waited for the set symbol to be spoiled to make a fake, but the real spoil couldn't have leaked before that happened? Mm-hm. Desperation.
That said his -15 seems legit. Makes sense in the story anyway.
No need for that. As written, you are effectively casting Beast Within (for a 2/2) on the target. It is not supposed to be reversible unless the target already has morph (and why would it need to be? Even that way it's still worse removal the Karn Liberated's middle ability).
It should have reminder text to prevent the rampant rules misunderstanding that is happening here, and that's the only problem I have with this ability.
There should probably be reminder text, correct, but for ease of play reasons it should also specify nontoken permanent. That wouldn't have much effect gameplay wise, since as written, the ability works, it just does absolutely nothing to tokens and double-faced cards. Double faced cards are enough of a corner case that it's not a problem, but having it able to target tokens with nothing on the card to indicate that it can't effect them seems like a problem to me.
In regards to the full name thing, is there a rules reason for it, like you can have multiple walkers with the same subtype out now? Or is this just a formatting precedent? Also, chandra nalaar does it three times!
Why would Ugin's ultimate care about Planeswalkers? I get that he worked with Nahiri and Sorin, but you don't see either of them summoning up another Planeswalker. At the very least couldn't Ugin interact with colorless cards instead? And his second ability should be accompanied with reminder text that face-down permanents are 2/2 colorless creatures.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Why would Ugin's ultimate care about Planeswalkers? I get that he worked with Nahiri and Sorin, but you don't see either of them summoning up another Planeswalker. At the very least couldn't Ugin interact with colorless cards instead? And his second ability should be accompanied with reminder text that face-down permanents are 2/2 colorless creatures.
We have a whole storyline about Ugin calling out to another planeswalker through time to come to his aid. Just extrapolate that to the next level...
Fake, there is now way that is the 3rd card out of 185, all cards would have to start with a ugin and end with the letter Z
Idk what you're getting at, Sets aren't numbered Alphabetically, they have a fixed order grouped by color. Normally white goes first, however Colorless Non-Artifacts go before White if there are any in the set.
Foreword: I don't think this is real, the second ability is not grokkable at all, which kills it for me.
Regarding the first ability though, I imagine they would use just Ugin for translation reasons. Putting his entire name in and sending it off to the translators could possibly break the boarders they set for the text, hence the truncation.
We have a whole storyline about Ugin calling out to another planeswalker through time to come to his aid. Just extrapolate that to the next level...
Fair enough. But why would they dedicate an ability to that when Ugin's all about colorless stuff? We already have the flavor in cards like Tormenting Voice, Tomb of the Spirit Dragon, and Ugin's Nexus to convey Ugin's call. Hey, that sounds like the name of a card they could use for wishing Planesalkers.
There's so much potential in a colorless matters Planeswalker, I feel like this design - hoax or not - would be a waste of that potential. I can accept giving him a burn ability as a means of protecting himself, but give him the ability to tutor colorless cards; not only does that cover most lands - including Eye of Ugin - but also artifacts, several of which are associated with Ugin, and colorless nonartifact, nonland cards like Ghostfire and the Eldrazi, the former of which practically defines Ugin's legacy and the latter of which Ugin has a close association with as well as a personal interest in. Or, hey, if you really want Ugin to interact with non-colorless cards like most Planeswalkers as well, just give him a straight-up tutoring ability. Then they don't even have to know what card you tutored, which is good for Morph.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
OK, I have read enough from everyone. I agree (not jumping on the band-wagon for it's own sake), the card is a fake. I have read enough proof and examples that are many red flags.
I just wanted to read the evidence before screaming "FAKE!"
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This card just says "Ugin deals damage".
The 2nd ability should not allow Ugin to target himself with it. It should read "Turn another target permanent face down."
Fake.
It does. See the rules I quoted above. It turns it into a 2/2 colorless etc creature. It is a single-target Ixidron effect.
No need for that. As written, you are effectively casting Beast Within (for a 2/2) on the target. It is not supposed to be reversible unless the target already has morph (and why would it need to be? Even that way it's still worse removal the Karn Liberated's middle ability).
It should have reminder text to prevent the rampant rules misunderstanding that is happening here, and that's the only problem I have with this ability.
True.
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Disagree. For example, Karn Liberated can exile himself.
But the fact remains that the first ability has a glaring formatting error. It should read "Ugin, the Spirit Dragon deals 3 damage to..." This is really the nail in the coffin.
Narset, Enlightened Master casts cards.
Not necessarily. There's precedent for legendary creatures/planeswalkers having abbreviated names in their textbox, although it's rare. See Tymaret, the Murder King's second ability as an example. However, I'm still pretty suspicious as the abilities would still fit without the abbreviation.
I'm not sure when the principle applies. I am sure that the most recent planeswalker, Sarkhan, Dragonspeaker, does refer to his full name. All the Comm14 walkers do too, although it's in the context of stating they can be a commander, not an ability.
Chandra Ablaze or Spawnsire of Ulamog
But the template is indeed wrong.
Commander: WUBRG Superfriends, GW Rhys Tokens, WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon
Kitchen Table (now that's real Magic): WUBRG Domain, GU Biovisionary, UB Korlash Grandeur, UW Merfolk Mill
I secretly ship Ral x Jace... and Nissa x Chandra... :">Tymaret is abbreviated because his name is already spelled out once on the card. Planeswalkers do not follow this format. Ex: Chandra, the Firebrand
This card is fake
That said his -15 seems legit. Makes sense in the story anyway.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
We have a whole storyline about Ugin calling out to another planeswalker through time to come to his aid. Just extrapolate that to the next level...
It reminds me of the scene in The Incredibles when the family dons their uniforms in battle together for the first time:
Idk what you're getting at, Sets aren't numbered Alphabetically, they have a fixed order grouped by color. Normally white goes first, however Colorless Non-Artifacts go before White if there are any in the set.
Regarding the first ability though, I imagine they would use just Ugin for translation reasons. Putting his entire name in and sending it off to the translators could possibly break the boarders they set for the text, hence the truncation.
Fair enough. But why would they dedicate an ability to that when Ugin's all about colorless stuff? We already have the flavor in cards like Tormenting Voice, Tomb of the Spirit Dragon, and Ugin's Nexus to convey Ugin's call. Hey, that sounds like the name of a card they could use for wishing Planesalkers.
There's so much potential in a colorless matters Planeswalker, I feel like this design - hoax or not - would be a waste of that potential. I can accept giving him a burn ability as a means of protecting himself, but give him the ability to tutor colorless cards; not only does that cover most lands - including Eye of Ugin - but also artifacts, several of which are associated with Ugin, and colorless nonartifact, nonland cards like Ghostfire and the Eldrazi, the former of which practically defines Ugin's legacy and the latter of which Ugin has a close association with as well as a personal interest in. Or, hey, if you really want Ugin to interact with non-colorless cards like most Planeswalkers as well, just give him a straight-up tutoring ability. Then they don't even have to know what card you tutored, which is good for Morph.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I just wanted to read the evidence before screaming "FAKE!"