When a permanent is turned face down it will be a 2/2 creature with no name, no type, and no color. If the face side has morph you can pay that cost to turn it face up again. However if it does not it will be stuck like that until an effect turns it face up. This is an ability we have seen before.
Fake. What about flip cards? Not enough text on the card to justify that ability.
I think it's fake, but I am going to speculate that IF it is really we maybe able to expect some colourless mana accelerators i.e. a sol ring variant or land that taps for 2.
I think it's a stretch that the 3rd colourless card is a U, In the set numbers speculation thread it was speculated that there should be room for 5-10 (Non Artifact) colourless slots.
When a permanent is turned face down it will be a 2/2 creature with no name, no type, and no color. If the face side has morph you can pay that cost to turn it face up again. However if it does not it will be stuck like that until an effect turns it face up. This is an ability we have seen before.
Fake. What about flip cards? Not enough text on the card to justify that ability.
At least in the passage you quoted, the person you quoted isn't arguing for the legitimacy of the ability on the card. They're just saying that the ability works within the rules.
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The second ability should read "Turn target permanent face down. It is a 2/2 creature with converted mana cost 3." And because for many of the better morph cards that would actually HELP your opponent, it doesn't make sense as a negative ability. Weenie decks would love to have their 1/1 turn into a 2/2.
What's more, a card that unmorphs would actually be a good card to play WITH the morph cards that give a helpful bonus when unmorphed.
When a permanent is turned face down it will be a 2/2 creature with no name, no type, and no color. If the face side has morph you can pay that cost to turn it face up again. However if it does not it will be stuck like that until an effect turns it face up. This is an ability we have seen before.
Fake. What about flip cards? Not enough text on the card to justify that ability.
Flip cards are different then a face down card. Flip cards have 2 faces a front face and a back face. You do not turn a flip card face down when its flip ability is activated/triggered, you flip it. A card that is face down has one face, a front face. Any card that is face down is a 2/2 creature with no name, no type, and no color. see CR 707.2a.
The second ability should read "Turn target permanent face down. It is a 2/2 creature with converted mana cost 3." And because for many of the better morph cards that would actually HELP your opponent, it doesn't make sense as a negative ability. Weenie decks would love to have their 1/1 turn into a 2/2.
What's more, a card that unmorphs would actually be a good card to play WITH the morph cards that give a helpful bonus when unmorphed.
Why would it need to have a defined converted mana cost of 3? Face-down creatures have no mana cost and therefore have a converted mana cost of 0.
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I assume it's been mentioned, but obvious fake. Font is wrong.
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Despite this guy being fake, I would *love* for the real card to be cheaper
but still have those first two abilities at different costs.
That Ultimate can go, though. If it used your library instead of outside the game, I would love it.
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I think it's fake. But a reaally good one. With very interesting abilities. The +3 is amazing, the -2 is a hilarious idea. I would love to see this on the real card. It's a flavourful answer to almost everything and can make fun things happen with your own morph creatures. I can't understand people who already hate this ability. The 9 mana are the main problem. So expensive! That's a very steep price. But his ultimate of -15 seems totally unreal. And I hope WotC is not giving the phrase "you own from outside the game" another chance. It has caused so much confusion, ecspecially for new or casual players. I just don't think WotC would put such an ultimate on a card in a regular set. I just can't see this happen. So, I vote for fake.
Dunno if someone here have seen that there is a gif that clearly shows that this is a fake:
Justo take a look at the ":" near the loyalty abilities and how they are at the same height for the actual and recent planeswalkers but they drop for Ugin. There is no reason for it, except for the card to be a fake
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I'm going to say fake. Not just because of the template errors, but mostly because a card like that would immediately be compared to Karn, and that card is just no where near as good as Karn. Why would they print such a high profile card as Ugin as something so similar, yet less good as, Karn? All it would do is reduce people's excitement over the set. Karn is 2 mana cheaper, and he straight up exiles things. Ugin has to spend two turns getting rid of something, and the only upside he has over Karn is being able to reflip any morphs you have.
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So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
I do not expect we will ever see a 'turn X face down' effect that can hit tokens, due to the messy rules implications.
The text *works* in the current rules, but a lot of people will assume it doesn't. And when a lot of people get a rules interaction wrong, WotC generally try to avoid it coming up.
So my conclusion: Fake. Good try on the render and with the collector number, however.
Why is this card getting so much negative feedback? The first two abilities are very powerful. You have a win condition, creature control, and permanent control all wrapped up in one little package. Sure its 9CMC, but who cares? The ultimate of Ugin is irrelevant, as the first two abilities give you all that you ever need. Turn a Planeswalker face down, and watch them squirm as they can't outdamage your loyalty gain, or just destroy it outright. Inevitable land destruction? If real, then I would not be surprised if control decks started to play one of these.
9-mana is huge. Compare that to Karn Liberated who has better abilities and "only" costs 7. I don't hate the abilities, but man... 9 mana...
Why is this card getting so much negative feedback? The first two abilities are very powerful.....
Because Lightning Bolt costs 1 mana and Beast Within (closest I could think of) costs 3. Compare the abilities of good planeswalkers to the mana cost of their abilities and it's usually a lot closer. Also, by the time you can pay 9 mana for this POS you think a Bolt is going to protect him much? Or do anything but leave you with your pants down? Look at what 9 mana can get you in this game and compare it to this turd. The ultimate ability is horrible too - what is the absolute best case scenario here? You pull a couple walkers from your side board and.... Brainstorm, everyone discards a card, untap 2 lands? Seriously, and ultimate this expensive should hit hard and not dribble on itself.
What format would a control deck want to drop 9 mana for a Bolt?
(FYI, this doesn't even go ultimate with Doubling Season... so sad)
Why is this card getting so much negative feedback? The first two abilities are very powerful.....
Because Lightning Bolt costs 1 mana and Beast Within (closest I could think of) costs 3. Compare the abilities of good planeswalkers to the mana cost of their abilities and it's usually a lot closer. Also, by the time you can pay 9 mana for this POS you think a Bolt is going to protect him much? Or do anything but leave you with your pants down? Look at what 9 mana can get you in this game and compare it to this turd. The ultimate ability is horrible too - what is the absolute best case scenario here? You pull a couple walkers from your side board and.... Brainstorm, everyone discards a card, untap 2 lands? Seriously, and ultimate this expensive should hit hard and not dribble on itself.
What format would a control deck want to drop 9 mana for a Bolt?
(FYI, this doesn't even go ultimate with Doubling Season... so sad)
I agree the card is a fake and is pretty bad, but the ultimate isn't horrible as you say. With just 3 other walkers you could exile something, destroy something else or steal a creature, and brainstorm/fateseal/unsummon this turn and every turn thereafter, which wouldn't be many.
But none of this matters since the card is a fake.
At 7 this Ugin would be solid. At 8, still ok. But 9? Sure, you can still play it EDH, except that the ultimate doesn't work by default EDH rules. That's honestly what annoys me most about this card. Only EDH would want it, but the ultimate doesn't work in EDH. I mean, it'd still be alright in EDH, but hardly what I'd except from such a prominent character.
ooohhhh this makes me giddy. i hope it's real. but maybe it's too cool to be real
No. You hope it's not real and the real one is actually playable in ANY format. This is bad even in Type 4.
yes i do,
just make a control deck, with 2-3 of Ugin as wincon
and fill the sideboard with 15 different planeswalker
on standard the ultimate will call
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So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
I agree the card is a fake and is pretty bad, but the ultimate isn't horrible as you say. With just 3 other walkers you could exile something, destroy something else or steal a creature, and brainstorm/fateseal/unsummon this turn and every turn thereafter, which wouldn't be many.
But none of this matters since the card is a fake.
And that's worth 4 turns and 9 mana? I cannot see anyone getting excited about that prospect.
yes i do,
just make a control deck, with 2-3 of Ugin as wincon
and fill the sideboard with 15 different planeswalker
on standard the ultimate will call
Fake. What about flip cards? Not enough text on the card to justify that ability.
I think it's a stretch that the 3rd colourless card is a U, In the set numbers speculation thread it was speculated that there should be room for 5-10 (Non Artifact) colourless slots.
At least in the passage you quoted, the person you quoted isn't arguing for the legitimacy of the ability on the card. They're just saying that the ability works within the rules.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
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Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
What's more, a card that unmorphs would actually be a good card to play WITH the morph cards that give a helpful bonus when unmorphed.
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Flip cards are different then a face down card. Flip cards have 2 faces a front face and a back face. You do not turn a flip card face down when its flip ability is activated/triggered, you flip it. A card that is face down has one face, a front face. Any card that is face down is a 2/2 creature with no name, no type, and no color. see CR 707.2a.
Why would it need to have a defined converted mana cost of 3? Face-down creatures have no mana cost and therefore have a converted mana cost of 0.
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but still have those first two abilities at different costs.
That Ultimate can go, though. If it used your library instead of outside the game, I would love it.
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Justo take a look at the ":" near the loyalty abilities and how they are at the same height for the actual and recent planeswalkers but they drop for Ugin. There is no reason for it, except for the card to be a fake
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The text *works* in the current rules, but a lot of people will assume it doesn't. And when a lot of people get a rules interaction wrong, WotC generally try to avoid it coming up.
So my conclusion: Fake. Good try on the render and with the collector number, however.
What format would a control deck want to drop 9 mana for a Bolt?
(FYI, this doesn't even go ultimate with Doubling Season... so sad)
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I agree the card is a fake and is pretty bad, but the ultimate isn't horrible as you say. With just 3 other walkers you could exile something, destroy something else or steal a creature, and brainstorm/fateseal/unsummon this turn and every turn thereafter, which wouldn't be many.
But none of this matters since the card is a fake.
yes i do,
just make a control deck, with 2-3 of Ugin as wincon
and fill the sideboard with 15 different planeswalker
on standard the ultimate will call
That is a terrible sideboard in any format I can think of. Seriously, the point of a sideboard is to make your deck better not worse.
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