Im mad that this is not dack vs. ashiok
Dack vs ashiok is an ACTUAL BATTLE, is NOTHING like other duel decks, and resolves an unfinished storyline
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First come the goblins. Hordes of them. But soon the ramp produced by xenagos attracts monstrous token-producing hydras. Towering over the battlefield, these 12-headed killing machines are protected 2 archetypes of endurance as they crash any resistence left
Chillax. Dack didn't appear in Theros block, so he wouldn't make the cut for Duel Decks. Furthermore, the artifact stealing ability on his card likely wouldn't have any relevance against the Nightmare-themed Ashiok.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
I'm going to try my absolute hardest to preorder 4 of these for MSRP
Or you could walk right into a Target or Wal-Mart and pick four up.
I'm also pretty sure they still have jace vs vraska. $80 is a bit to drop of what somehow only turns out to be 8 planeswalkers.
It's not horrible considering how much both those planeswalkers are, how cool the art is, and the fact that anything besides the planeswalkers are just gravy. I bet we see something like PrimeTime in Kiora.
I'm going to try my absolute hardest to preorder 4 of these for MSRP
Or you could walk right into a Target or Wal-Mart and pick four up.
I'm also pretty sure they still have jace vs vraska. $80 is a bit to drop of what somehow only turns out to be 8 planeswalkers.
It's not horrible considering how much both those planeswalkers are, how cool the art is, and the fact that anything besides the planeswalkers are just gravy. I bet we see something like PrimeTime in Kiora.
If every past Duel Deck is any indication, the face cards are the only mythics, meaning that Primeval Titan is almost certainly not going to be in it.
Still though, those are two damn fine planes walkers and I hope the decks will be cool.
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Primeval Titan is much more valuable and useful than Kiora and they usually keep the value low on the newer Duel Decks, mostly reprinting things that are costly due to supply issues. So i doubt anything near as valuable as the PWs themselves will get added.
I mean take a look at Heros versus Monsters Duel deck for example, and that had no PWs. So you won't be getting higher than that, much lower most likely.
Primeval Titan is much more valuable and useful than Kiora and they usually keep the value low on the newer Duel Decks, mostly reprinting things that are costly due to supply issues. So i doubt anything near as valuable as the PWs themselves will get added.
I mean take a look at Heros versus Monsters Duel deck for example, and that had no PWs. So you won't be getting higher than that, much lower most likely.
So the $10 Polukronous in that deck wasn't anything? I would grant that Speed vs Cunning was one of the worst products they have had in recent memory. But the dual decks are often nice.
Jace vs Vraska had Remand which has been the most valuable out of those decks. I think we might see a couple neat little itesms that didn't fit well in MM2 since the timing is close. Maybe serum visions or gitaxian probe?
The rule with Duel Decks has been to include one mythic rare (the face card), five rares, and a myriad of commons and uncommons in each deck. So unless that rule has changed, we can forget about Entreat the Angels, Devout Invocation, Primeval Titan, or any other Mythic non-Planeswalker card in EvK.
Above all else, flavor is important to Duel Decks, especially PW Duel Decks where the PWs' respective skillsets provide the basis for the decks as a whole. Serum Visions might get a reprint but I wouldn't hold my breath on Gitaxian Probe, we're more likely to get Peek.
Because the Elspeth deck is most likely going to be about weenie aggro, my guess is the Kiora deck will have at least a few Fog effects to help neutralize Elspeth's assault. Kiora will also likely have defensive early game creatures like Kraken Hatchling and Fog Bank, as well as utility creatures like Kiora's Follower and Coiling Oracle.
Elspeth meanwhile will need to contend with Kiora's big late game creatures as well as the early blockers, so removal like Devouring Light and perhaps Path to Exile will be must-includes. Elspeth herself provides a wrath effect but to deal with smaller creatures a separate wrath such as Martial Coup could be included as well.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
The rule with Duel Decks has been to include one mythic rare (the face card), five rares, and a myriad of commons and uncommons in each deck. So unless that rule has changed, we can forget about Entreat the Angels, Devout Invocation, Primeval Titan, or any other Mythic non-Planeswalker card in EvK.
I should point out, not to raise anyone's hopes or anything but cards changing rarity is still a thing, cards typically change into mythic for example knight of the reliquary. However I think if the card is not to powerful to warrant being mythic and is ok to deal with in the closed environment that is duel decks then we could see Devout Invocation come out as rare, Entreat the Angels gets the maybe nod will see and Primeval Titan, unlikely.
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
Cards hardly change rarity in supplementary products. It only changes when draft is involved. Conspiracy was probably the first example of a supplementary product that had rarity shifts.
Based on many years of DDs. There hasn't been more than 2 mythics other than the foiled cards.
Knight of the Reliquary switched to Mythic for KvD because it was the face card of the Knights deck. They weren't going to include another Mythic along with it. Same deal with Bogardan Hellkite in the Dragons deck.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
I just wish they made new cards in the duel decks... Kind of like how they did with Planechase.
Agreed. The additions to those 4 Planechase II decks were some really elegant, great designs. A lot of them have lived on in the MODO Cube as well as other products: Baleful Strix, Beetleback Chief, Shardless Agent.
Anyone arguing/hoping that they're going to "downgrade" a mythic hasn't been paying attention to how previous DDs have been built in the past.
Looking at Jace vs. Vraska, we can expect a few cards overlapping from Elspeth's previous list. Also, I found Vraska's Duel Deck build really curious. It was actually a top-down theme deck instead of anything mechanical. Lots of street crime, sort of a "mean streets of Ravnica" deck that no one expected until the list was spoiled, especially considering that most prior DDs were built around a mechanical theme.
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On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
UW Approach UW
EDH
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls U
That is very nice, but I doubt that it shall fit into a tube that is designed for a normal-sized playmat, which shall be a major drawback, for me.
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Dack vs ashiok is an ACTUAL BATTLE, is NOTHING like other duel decks, and resolves an unfinished storyline
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
It'll make up for my not buying the duel deck anthology. I can't afford that.
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Or you could walk right into a Target or Wal-Mart and pick four up.
My 720 Peasant Cube
I'm also pretty sure they still have jace vs vraska. $80 is a bit to drop of what somehow only turns out to be 8 planeswalkers.
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
It's not horrible considering how much both those planeswalkers are, how cool the art is, and the fact that anything besides the planeswalkers are just gravy. I bet we see something like PrimeTime in Kiora.
UW Approach UW
EDH
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls U
If every past Duel Deck is any indication, the face cards are the only mythics, meaning that Primeval Titan is almost certainly not going to be in it.
Still though, those are two damn fine planes walkers and I hope the decks will be cool.
My 720 Peasant Cube
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
I mean take a look at Heros versus Monsters Duel deck for example, and that had no PWs. So you won't be getting higher than that, much lower most likely.
My Decks:
All my Decks are budget
EDH:GRWHazezon TamarGRW, RKazuul, Tyrant of the CliffsR, BMikaeus, the UnhallowedB, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GRXenagos, God of RevelsGR, BGPharika, God of AfflictionBG
Standard:BMono Black Control(devotion)B- retired
Casual:UWHeroicUW, UGWall tribalUG, BPhylactery LichB
Modern:UBAbyssal PersecutorUB, WKnight TribalW
So the $10 Polukronous in that deck wasn't anything? I would grant that Speed vs Cunning was one of the worst products they have had in recent memory. But the dual decks are often nice.
Jace vs Vraska had Remand which has been the most valuable out of those decks. I think we might see a couple neat little itesms that didn't fit well in MM2 since the timing is close. Maybe serum visions or gitaxian probe?
Above all else, flavor is important to Duel Decks, especially PW Duel Decks where the PWs' respective skillsets provide the basis for the decks as a whole. Serum Visions might get a reprint but I wouldn't hold my breath on Gitaxian Probe, we're more likely to get Peek.
Because the Elspeth deck is most likely going to be about weenie aggro, my guess is the Kiora deck will have at least a few Fog effects to help neutralize Elspeth's assault. Kiora will also likely have defensive early game creatures like Kraken Hatchling and Fog Bank, as well as utility creatures like Kiora's Follower and Coiling Oracle.
Elspeth meanwhile will need to contend with Kiora's big late game creatures as well as the early blockers, so removal like Devouring Light and perhaps Path to Exile will be must-includes. Elspeth herself provides a wrath effect but to deal with smaller creatures a separate wrath such as Martial Coup could be included as well.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Fathom Mage
Mystic Genesis
Plasm Capture
Spitting Image
Voidslime
Gyre Sage
Fathom Mage and Gyre Sage would make for good utility creatures since Kiora would drop high P/T creatures.
She could also have Ferocious cards like Feed the Clan, Force Away, Heir of the Wilds, Icy Blast, Roar of Challenge, Savage Punch, or Stubborn Denial.
I should point out, not to raise anyone's hopes or anything but cards changing rarity is still a thing, cards typically change into mythic for example knight of the reliquary. However I think if the card is not to powerful to warrant being mythic and is ok to deal with in the closed environment that is duel decks then we could see Devout Invocation come out as rare, Entreat the Angels gets the maybe nod will see and Primeval Titan, unlikely.
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
Based on many years of DDs. There hasn't been more than 2 mythics other than the foiled cards.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
I think you just made , speed vs cunning, heros vs monsters, izzet vs golgari sad.
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
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Agreed. The additions to those 4 Planechase II decks were some really elegant, great designs. A lot of them have lived on in the MODO Cube as well as other products: Baleful Strix, Beetleback Chief, Shardless Agent.
Anyone arguing/hoping that they're going to "downgrade" a mythic hasn't been paying attention to how previous DDs have been built in the past.
Looking at Jace vs. Vraska, we can expect a few cards overlapping from Elspeth's previous list. Also, I found Vraska's Duel Deck build really curious. It was actually a top-down theme deck instead of anything mechanical. Lots of street crime, sort of a "mean streets of Ravnica" deck that no one expected until the list was spoiled, especially considering that most prior DDs were built around a mechanical theme.
On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.