So you guys think its time to offload your Elspeths/Kioras now before the price plummets? How do you guys think this will impact their price?
I offloaded mine already. The prices suffered their initial shock, and will probably remain steady until the release of the Duel Decks, at which point the price on both will plummet. It has been supply (i.e. the lack thereof) keeping the price of Kiora high since no major deck archetype in Standard currently plays her, so with the new flood of her card, the prices will just plummet. Sure, there will still be a demand for the original printing since it is so much more artistic-looking than the new one, but the prices will still be sub-$10 easily, if not lower.
I don't know why but i am always annoyed how wotc seems to make every plot she (Elspleth) is involved in tragic
Also according to her wiki, Ashiok is of unknown Species, gender and Origin.
Let's assume that on printing kiora and Elspleth will reach around $10 each, that leaves about practically nothing in the cap for the rest of the deck that is of anything of value if the total mrsp is $20, i would actually be fine if they raised it to $25-$30 mrsp so that the rest of the deck gets a bit better.
I don't know why but i am always annoyed how wotc seems to make every plot she (Elspleth) is involved in tragic
Also according to her wiki, Ashiok is of unknown Species, gender and Origin.
Let's assume that on printing kiora and Elspleth will reach around $10 each, that leaves about practically nothing in the cap for the rest of the deck that is of anything of value if the total mrsp is $20, i would actually be fine if they raised it to $25-$30 mrsp so that the rest of the deck gets a bit better.
Not really sure what your talking about :/ For these products the planeswalkers themselves add up to around $15-20 and then wizards adds around another $10-$15 worth of reprints. Kiora will drop blow $5 Elspeth might hover around $10
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
Much rather have seen Ashiok in the deck, would love alt art and foil for my EDH deck, but I digress.
Also then the Ashiok deck could run Spirit of the Night and Elspeth could... I guess have lots of fight effects. Now we jut need friendship and the theme will be complete.
Come to think of it it's a shame they didn't give her the turn into a creature schtick, then with Prey Upon she really could be the fighter of the Nightman (I mean, it can still be done but takes like four more cards).
Counterpoint: Nobody cares about the reserved list because it's dumb . Case in point, Spirit of the Night is on the reserved list :P. Seriously it's 3.49 on Starcity, which is still way more expensive than it should be (Unless I'm missing some crazy legacy deck or something), but I still don't think they can be claiming to be protecting peoples' investments in any cards that you can get a playset of for less than a meal at Applebees (It's admittedly slightly less ludicrous in the case of actual money cards like the Moxen and Brushwagg, but I mean Sliver Queen still goes for 50 and her oversized counterpart was at 20 last I checked, so...).
I don't know why but i am always annoyed how wotc seems to make every plot she (Elspleth) is involved in tragic
Also according to her wiki, Ashiok is of unknown Species, gender and Origin.
Let's assume that on printing kiora and Elspleth will reach around $10 each, that leaves about practically nothing in the cap for the rest of the deck that is of anything of value if the total mrsp is $20, i would actually be fine if they raised it to $25-$30 mrsp so that the rest of the deck gets a bit better.
Not really sure what your talking about :/ For these products the planeswalkers themselves add up to around $15-20 and then wizards adds around another $10-$15 worth of reprints. Kiora will drop blow $5 Elspeth might hover around $10
I was just checking out if this deck was going to be too much value for its price. I am sure for a beginner set like the duel deck with an mrsp like $20 won't include enough value for it to be speculated so people can sell the singles. I mean if the planeswalkers themselves are valued at $15-20 after this reprint, how much value can they even add as reprints in the rest of the deck. I think its mostly going to be theros block reprints like kiora's follower, whelming wave, though i can see that some of the reprints for elspleth would be from farther back like smite the monstrous, the rest of the really old reprints should be relatively cheap like High tide.
FYI first art is not a land but a spell, and the last one is, according to the panel.
The first art looks like Scapeshift to me, but it's too expansive to put in this duel deck.
Just looked up that card. Man it's gorgeous. Shame it's so expensive since I'd love one for the art and theme alone. Lowryn had such great art IMO. I think it was a good guess but I'm not seeing it for this either.
I am sure for a beginner set like the duel deck with an mrsp like $20 won't include enough value for it to be speculated so people can sell the singles.
Jace vs Vraska had Jace, Vraska, Remand, Future Sight, Ohran Viper, Underworld Connections, Night's Whisper and Tainted Wood. EV aprox $45 on release.
Heroes vs Monsters had Polukranos, Sun Titan, Beast Within, Regrowth and Magma Jet. EV aprox $35 on release.
Sorin vs Tibalt had Sorin, Browbeat, Hellrider, Butcher of Malakir, Hellspark Elemental, Lingering Souls, Mortify, Spectral Procession, Sulfuric Vortex, Wall of Omens, Vampire Nighthawk and Unmake. EV aprox $35 on release.
Hell, Elspeth's original DD had Elspeth, Tezzeret, Master of Etherium, Steel Overseer, 2x Swords to Plowshares, Mishra's Factory, Thoughtcast, Artifact lands, Foil and Thirst for Knowledge for a EV of about $80 on release, and it still sold at MSRP because these things are sold at Wal-Mart. And this was before they implemented the agressive reprints policy to help Modern.
Don't expect Force of Will, but don't believe for a second they'd need to increase the MSRP to include better cards, that just isn't true. Cards that are only expensive for avaliability rather than power such as Sleigh of Hand or Serum Visions have high chances to be in the deck.
Speed vs Cunning isn't the rule of power/value, it's the first deck with an EV LOWER than the MSRP on release, a disgrace to the product line.
1st: Scapeshift? Teferi's Response(or similar)?
Something that sheachs lands and put then in your hand, batlefield , top o library
but could be something like Bind :\
2nd:
Any card with Angels, or That create angel tokens, or that gives you a ton of life
3rd:
I am sure for a beginner set like the duel deck with an mrsp like $20 won't include enough value for it to be speculated so people can sell the singles.
Jace vs Vraska had Jace, Vraska, Remand, Future Sight, Ohran Viper, Underworld Connections, Night's Whisper and Tainted Wood. EV aprox $45 on release.
Heroes vs Monsters had Polukranos, Sun Titan, Beast Within, Regrowth and Magma Jet. EV aprox $35 on release.
Sorin vs Tibalt had Sorin, Browbeat, Hellrider, Butcher of Malakir, Hellspark Elemental, Lingering Souls, Mortify, Spectral Procession, Sulfuric Vortex, Wall of Omens, Vampire Nighthawk and Unmake. EV aprox $35 on release.
Hell, Elspeth's original DD had Elspeth, Tezzeret, Master of Etherium, Steel Overseer, 2x Swords to Plowshares, Mishra's Factory, Thoughtcast, Artifact lands, Foil and Thirst for Knowledge for a EV of about $80 on release, and it still sold at MSRP because these things are sold at Wal-Mart. And this was before they implemented the agressive reprints policy to help Modern.
Don't expect Force of Will, but don't believe for a second they'd need to increase the MSRP to include better cards, that just isn't true. Cards that are only expensive for avaliability rather than power such as Sleigh of Hand or Serum Visions have high chances to be in the deck.
Speed vs Cunning isn't the rule of power/value, it's the first deck with an EV LOWER than the MSRP on release, a disgrace to the product line.
Seriously. Wizards has got people hook, line and sinker when people are actually asking Wizards to raise the price on a product so they can include better cards...cards that cost Wizards pennies to print. The new Commander decks are a great example. Most of the money reprints from those decks have already tanked. Wurmcoil Engine was $20, the new one is already like $6, Grave titan was approaching $10, now it's almost $2. Wizards can reprint good cards without having to charge more. All they have to do is do exactly what they did with the Mindseize deck: print it to meet demand. Yeah, people will buy it up at first and resell, but that will quickly become unprofitable as the market floods with singles from the deck.
1st: Scapeshift? Teferi's Response(or similar)?
Something that sheachs lands and put then in your hand, batlefield , top o library
but could be something like Bind :\
2nd:
Any card with Angels, or That create angel tokens, or that gives you a ton of life
3rd:
Speed vs Cunning isn't the rule of power/value, it's the first deck with an EV LOWER than the MSRP on release, a disgrace to the product line.
We do not speak of that gut wrenching experience here.
Also for people talking about the art.
Since there 4 pieces we can assume each side gets 2. The one with Kiora in it and the high seas one seems most certainly to go into Kioras deck while the other 2 with the angels and the figure standing in front of some glyphs that would be in Elspeths deck. So I strongly doubt the last artwork is Archaeomancer cause it would stand to reason its for a white card. My $20 is still on it being Auramancer with the glowing hand and the serious need for an update in artwork, especially if Elspeth ends up being Enchantment focuses with the angel card being sigil of the empty throne
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
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I offloaded mine already. The prices suffered their initial shock, and will probably remain steady until the release of the Duel Decks, at which point the price on both will plummet. It has been supply (i.e. the lack thereof) keeping the price of Kiora high since no major deck archetype in Standard currently plays her, so with the new flood of her card, the prices will just plummet. Sure, there will still be a demand for the original printing since it is so much more artistic-looking than the new one, but the prices will still be sub-$10 easily, if not lower.
Also according to her wiki, Ashiok is of unknown Species, gender and Origin.
Let's assume that on printing kiora and Elspleth will reach around $10 each, that leaves about practically nothing in the cap for the rest of the deck that is of anything of value if the total mrsp is $20, i would actually be fine if they raised it to $25-$30 mrsp so that the rest of the deck gets a bit better.
My Decks:
All my Decks are budget
EDH:GRWHazezon TamarGRW, RKazuul, Tyrant of the CliffsR, BMikaeus, the UnhallowedB, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GRXenagos, God of RevelsGR, BGPharika, God of AfflictionBG
Standard:BMono Black Control(devotion)B- retired
Casual:UWHeroicUW, UGWall tribalUG, BPhylactery LichB
Modern:UBAbyssal PersecutorUB, WKnight TribalW
Not really sure what your talking about :/ For these products the planeswalkers themselves add up to around $15-20 and then wizards adds around another $10-$15 worth of reprints. Kiora will drop blow $5 Elspeth might hover around $10
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
FYI first art is not a land but a spell, and the last one is, according to the panel.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Your a good man, I shall name my first child after you.
I still stand 100% by my previous thread with.
High tide , Decree of Justice , Auramancer, and temporal Spring
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Also, seems fit to post this here too. From UltraPro's twitter
Spirit of the Night is on the reserved list.
Counterpoint: Nobody cares about the reserved list because it's dumb . Case in point, Spirit of the Night is on the reserved list :P. Seriously it's 3.49 on Starcity, which is still way more expensive than it should be (Unless I'm missing some crazy legacy deck or something), but I still don't think they can be claiming to be protecting peoples' investments in any cards that you can get a playset of for less than a meal at Applebees (It's admittedly slightly less ludicrous in the case of actual money cards like the Moxen and Brushwagg, but I mean Sliver Queen still goes for 50 and her oversized counterpart was at 20 last I checked, so...).
I was just checking out if this deck was going to be too much value for its price. I am sure for a beginner set like the duel deck with an mrsp like $20 won't include enough value for it to be speculated so people can sell the singles. I mean if the planeswalkers themselves are valued at $15-20 after this reprint, how much value can they even add as reprints in the rest of the deck. I think its mostly going to be theros block reprints like kiora's follower, whelming wave, though i can see that some of the reprints for elspleth would be from farther back like smite the monstrous, the rest of the really old reprints should be relatively cheap like High tide.
Personally i would love high tide, Snap, palinchron, path to exile reprints, but that is too much value.
I actually think the elspleth deck might end up with a lot of Heroic creatures.
My Decks:
All my Decks are budget
EDH:GRWHazezon TamarGRW, RKazuul, Tyrant of the CliffsR, BMikaeus, the UnhallowedB, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GRXenagos, God of RevelsGR, BGPharika, God of AfflictionBG
Standard:BMono Black Control(devotion)B- retired
Casual:UWHeroicUW, UGWall tribalUG, BPhylactery LichB
Modern:UBAbyssal PersecutorUB, WKnight TribalW
The first art looks like Scapeshift to me, but it's too expansive to put in this duel deck.
Just looked up that card. Man it's gorgeous. Shame it's so expensive since I'd love one for the art and theme alone. Lowryn had such great art IMO. I think it was a good guess but I'm not seeing it for this either.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
These duel decks become more and more like pokemon battles.
"Hey, you're a planeswalker too! Let's have a planeswalker battle!"
Jace vs Vraska had Jace, Vraska, Remand, Future Sight, Ohran Viper, Underworld Connections, Night's Whisper and Tainted Wood. EV aprox $45 on release.
Heroes vs Monsters had Polukranos, Sun Titan, Beast Within, Regrowth and Magma Jet. EV aprox $35 on release.
Sorin vs Tibalt had Sorin, Browbeat, Hellrider, Butcher of Malakir, Hellspark Elemental, Lingering Souls, Mortify, Spectral Procession, Sulfuric Vortex, Wall of Omens, Vampire Nighthawk and Unmake. EV aprox $35 on release.
Hell, Elspeth's original DD had Elspeth, Tezzeret, Master of Etherium, Steel Overseer, 2x Swords to Plowshares, Mishra's Factory, Thoughtcast, Artifact lands, Foil and Thirst for Knowledge for a EV of about $80 on release, and it still sold at MSRP because these things are sold at Wal-Mart. And this was before they implemented the agressive reprints policy to help Modern.
Don't expect Force of Will, but don't believe for a second they'd need to increase the MSRP to include better cards, that just isn't true. Cards that are only expensive for avaliability rather than power such as Sleigh of Hand or Serum Visions have high chances to be in the deck.
Speed vs Cunning isn't the rule of power/value, it's the first deck with an EV LOWER than the MSRP on release, a disgrace to the product line.
My Decks:
All my Decks are budget
EDH:GRWHazezon TamarGRW, RKazuul, Tyrant of the CliffsR, BMikaeus, the UnhallowedB, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GRXenagos, God of RevelsGR, BGPharika, God of AfflictionBG
Standard:BMono Black Control(devotion)B- retired
Casual:UWHeroicUW, UGWall tribalUG, BPhylactery LichB
Modern:UBAbyssal PersecutorUB, WKnight TribalW
Nah , Ashiok needs a Black&White promo
1st:
Scapeshift?
Teferi's Response(or similar)?
Something that sheachs lands and put then in your hand, batlefield , top o library
but could be something like Bind :\
2nd:
Any card with Angels, or That create angel tokens, or that gives you a ton of life
3rd:
4th:
no idea
Seriously. Wizards has got people hook, line and sinker when people are actually asking Wizards to raise the price on a product so they can include better cards...cards that cost Wizards pennies to print. The new Commander decks are a great example. Most of the money reprints from those decks have already tanked. Wurmcoil Engine was $20, the new one is already like $6, Grave titan was approaching $10, now it's almost $2. Wizards can reprint good cards without having to charge more. All they have to do is do exactly what they did with the Mindseize deck: print it to meet demand. Yeah, people will buy it up at first and resell, but that will quickly become unprofitable as the market floods with singles from the deck.
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4th card I think is Soaring Seacliff
We do not speak of that gut wrenching experience here.
Also for people talking about the art.
Since there 4 pieces we can assume each side gets 2. The one with Kiora in it and the high seas one seems most certainly to go into Kioras deck while the other 2 with the angels and the figure standing in front of some glyphs that would be in Elspeths deck. So I strongly doubt the last artwork is Archaeomancer cause it would stand to reason its for a white card. My $20 is still on it being Auramancer with the glowing hand and the serious need for an update in artwork, especially if Elspeth ends up being Enchantment focuses with the angel card being sigil of the empty throne
Decks used- GGarruk vs LilianaB, WElsepth vs TezzeretU, WGKnights vs DragonsR
WGRAjani vs BolasRUB, WUVenser vs KothR, RUIzzet vs GolgariGB.
WBSorin vs TibaltBR, WRHeros vs Monsters RG
Want to see other duel decks I made ? Check out my Blog ! Feel free to post advice or give topics for me to make duel decks out of. Check out the Theros Block Planeswalker Theme Duel Decks Elspeth, Xenagos, Ashok, Kiora, Ajani