^ not agreeing with the RC about hybrid costs is not the same thing as actively trying to get them to change the rules. he is not trying to change anything, he has admitted several time that he doesn't even really play commander
so much for "we do not want LD to be a thing anymore" = P
Unless you're running ALL nonbasics, then you don't lose tempo when someone else casts this. You get to tutor up a basic for each nonbasic destroyed, similar to Ghost Quarter, which isn't really LD: it's an answer card that replaces a land with a different one. If you're running all nonbasics, with all the nonbasic hate out there already, then you're taking a very serious risk and this is only one of the cards that will completely ruin your day.
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"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
so much for "we do not want LD to be a thing anymore" = P
Unless you're running ALL nonbasics, then you don't lose tempo when someone else casts this. You get to tutor up a basic for each nonbasic destroyed, similar to Ghost Quarter, which isn't really LD: it's an answer card that replaces a land with a different one. If you're running all nonbasics, with all the nonbasic hate out there already, then you're taking a very serious risk and this is only one of the cards that will completely ruin your day.
While it may technically not be land destruction so much as replacement, turning someone's Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth into a pair of swamps or Reliquary Tower into an island feels pretty destructive. Then again, I suppose it accomplishes their goal of punishing nonbasics without totally denying people mana.
Well to me this is the green version of all is dust. Only instead of me being the artifact guy and hitting your stuff, you're the green guy hitting all of my stuff... Seems pretty fair, it even gives you basic lands back for the ones it destroys. Now no one has the right to complain when I cast all is dust...
I like how it doesn't hit creatures (as green doesn't). This is a card to further advance your board position without necessarily being win more.
I think the only reason to not like this is you don't like people interacting with your board position, which I am a huge fan of. If you overextend without counter backup, you have earned this card wiping your board.
I like how it doesn't hit creatures (as green doesn't). This is a card to further advance your board position without necessarily being win more.
I think the only reason to not like this is you don't like people interacting with your board position, which I am a huge fan of. If you overextend without counter backup, you have earned this card wiping your board.
I guesssing you never heard of Karn, as that's the only way to justify your comment.
This is stupid and out of color pie. I don't understand why it makes everyone sacrifice everything. Seriously, when does green make people sacrifice things?
If it was destroy, at least indestructibility could be an answer. I hate these stupid big derpy spell because unless you run permission spells (play blue) you are our of luck.
This card definitely does not strike me as a staple.
It won't be jammed in every deck with green.
It is likely that it won't really see play outside of mono green decks and a few two color decks that are built around it.
If you happen to be one of the tiny percentage of people who play colorless against someone who happens to be playing this, it shouldn't be too hard to shrug it off and just play the next game.
Unless by "shrug it off" you mean concede and never play again that a horrible person again, "shrugging it off" isn't possible. Nothing else ever printed is even close to what this does a colorless Commander Deck. Before this the only card that would destroy both a player's mana base and board did it equally to everyone. There are only ten nine card that can survive this thing all cost 7 mana or more and one is an aura.
Edit: Forgot it kills Enchantments too.
This is stupid and out of color pie. I don't understand why it makes everyone sacrifice everything. Seriously, when does green make people sacrifice things?
Every colors gets to force sacrifice when it makes the card vastly simpler and more intuitive.
Unless by "shrug it off" you mean concede and never play again that a horrible person again, "shrugging it off" isn't possible. Nothing else ever printed is even close to what this does a colorless Commander Deck. Before this the only card that would destroy both a player's mana base and board did it equally to everyone. There are only ten nine card that can survive this thing all cost 7 mana or more and one is an aura.
Edit: Forgot it kills Enchantments too.
I get it. The card is called Wave of Vitriol and you're being vitriolic! Funny!
No, not funny exactly, but it certainly makes me laugh at you.
Every color doesn't get mass sacrifice. Green never gets mass sacrifice. Green doesn't even get single sacrifice effects for opponents. The only example I can think of that comes even remotely close is Decomposition which is an old card and a massive color pie violation. This is stupid, if it were destroy instead of sacrifice it would at least be possible to answer outside of counterspells and the card wouldn't be any more complicated. It's not just colorless decks, against a 5 color deck that only runs a few basics, this is pretty devastating. Maro complains about Chaos Warp because it's out of color pie, but apparently Green gets mass edict effects.
Feast of Wurms, Molder Slug, Natural Balance, Nature's Wrath, Simplify, Thresher Beast, Tribute to the Wild, show that there has been some precedent in mono-green of forcing opponents to sacrifice lands, artifacts or enchantments. Nothing as big as Wave of Vitriol, but the ability is there. Considering green destroys artifact and enchantments all the time (and has mass destruction for those), it isn't a huge stretch for it to have 'edict' effects as well. Especially since in this case the effects forces the caster to sacrifice their stuff as well, and green has tons of cards that require self-sacrifice.
Every color doesn't get mass sacrifice. Green never gets mass sacrifice.
That it uses the word sacrifice is irrelevant, Green can get rid of Artifacts, Enchantments, and Lands just fine. This is no more outside the color pie than Bramblecrush.
This is stupid, if it were destroy instead of sacrifice it would at least be possible to answer outside of counterspells and the card wouldn't be any more complicated.
Unless there were something Indestructible on the board in which case you'd keep the permanent and get the land which goes significantly against the flavor of the card and would immediately cause confusion.
It's not just colorless decks, against a 5 color deck that only runs a few basics, this is pretty devastating.
Oh, no, there is now one card ever printed that (if drawn and cast and not countered) will devastate a few niche decks. You're never going to see this resolve because it simply doesn't do enough against mono and dual color decks and hits the caster unless they're playing a very linear sort of deck, no one will run it except as part of the pre-con (although if your friends know you're like this they might make a deck with like twenty copies just to mess with you).
You wouldn't envy a Sharuum player who does it out of dedication to the general.
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It's fine. I am going to run it in a few of my green deckcs because my meta is very nonbasic heavy. Dovetails nicely into Winter Orb or Hokori. Dust Drinker as well. Green has needed a big dumb sweeper forever, every colour has one or two (Blue = Upheaval (Banned)Kedrekt Leviathan, Black = Pox effects, all sorts of wrath variants, Red = Jokulhaups variants, White = All the sweepers) so no harm in giving Green a little push.
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That's really the only reaction I can have to this pile.
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Could be Rosewater trying to force an EDH rules change a-la-Hybrid Manacosts. Maybe with basic lands in off-color decks?
Unless you're running ALL nonbasics, then you don't lose tempo when someone else casts this. You get to tutor up a basic for each nonbasic destroyed, similar to Ghost Quarter, which isn't really LD: it's an answer card that replaces a land with a different one. If you're running all nonbasics, with all the nonbasic hate out there already, then you're taking a very serious risk and this is only one of the cards that will completely ruin your day.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
And gets completely shut down by Darksteel Forge. I don't know about your artifact decks, but my artifact definitely runs one of those suckers.
This gets around Darksteel Forge at least, for one mana more as well as getting rid of enchantments. It's most certainly not a "bad bane of progress".
While it may technically not be land destruction so much as replacement, turning someone's Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth into a pair of swamps or Reliquary Tower into an island feels pretty destructive. Then again, I suppose it accomplishes their goal of punishing nonbasics without totally denying people mana.
(That's how it works right)
I think the only reason to not like this is you don't like people interacting with your board position, which I am a huge fan of. If you overextend without counter backup, you have earned this card wiping your board.
MTGS egos at their finest.
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I guesssing you never heard of Karn, as that's the only way to justify your comment.
If it was destroy, at least indestructibility could be an answer. I hate these stupid big derpy spell because unless you run permission spells (play blue) you are our of luck.
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I don't think you're allowed to complain about overpowered cards if you're running a Sharuum deck.
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It won't be jammed in every deck with green.
It is likely that it won't really see play outside of mono green decks and a few two color decks that are built around it.
If you happen to be one of the tiny percentage of people who play colorless against someone who happens to be playing this, it shouldn't be too hard to shrug it off and just play the next game.
TLDR - Chill out, it is one card.
tennine card that can survive this thing all cost 7 mana or moreand one is an aura.Edit: Forgot it kills Enchantments too.
Every colors gets to force sacrifice when it makes the card vastly simpler and more intuitive.
I get it. The card is called Wave of Vitriol and you're being vitriolic! Funny!
No, not funny exactly, but it certainly makes me laugh at you.
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That it uses the word sacrifice is irrelevant, Green can get rid of Artifacts, Enchantments, and Lands just fine. This is no more outside the color pie than Bramblecrush.
Unless there were something Indestructible on the board in which case you'd keep the permanent and get the land which goes significantly against the flavor of the card and would immediately cause confusion.
Oh, no, there is now one card ever printed that (if drawn and cast and not countered) will devastate a few niche decks. You're never going to see this resolve because it simply doesn't do enough against mono and dual color decks and hits the caster unless they're playing a very linear sort of deck, no one will run it except as part of the pre-con (although if your friends know you're like this they might make a deck with like twenty copies just to mess with you).
I just get hated off the table every damn game.
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