BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
It's possible that they're being legally prohibited from repealing the Reserved List, but it's certainly not confirmed. My theory is that someone threatened a lawsuit, and WotC's legal team determined it wasn't worth the time, effort, and bad PR. The Reserved List isn't a legally binding agreement, and companies change their business policies all the time.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
Its legal stuff, plus its a hard line that the current CEO is 100% never going to change his mind on.
At any rate, this has as much to do with the reserve list or reprinting cards as when they did physical modo cube packs in a previous year.
It is just the same idea, executed with another popular online draft format.
They could source the cards from literally anywhere. It wouldn't be difficult for WoTC to get power at all.
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72 packs is about 0.15 of each nonfoil power card, plus a smaller amount of foil power (maybe 0.01 of each, we never really found out the % of power that are foil). Plus there's a bunch of other VMA cards that are expensive in paper (Workshop, Time Vault, blue dual lands, Library, Mana Crypt, etc).
Nothing prevents WotC printing non-tournament legal Power or the other cards if they desire to do so.
Is no one else bothered by the fact that they replaced the Modern top 8 with Standard instead? Like, who wants to watch Coursers, Siege Rhinos, and Thoughtseizes all day? Not me. Give us what we want! Give us what we deserve!
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"Physically reconstructing" the packs after they're drafted online doesn't mean they have to use real cards. More likely the stickers they used to use for things like duplicate sealed years ago.
During the coverage of the Legacy Championship Randy Buheler was talking about this draft and said that he had been informed that the competitors would not be allowed to keep the cards they draft. He didn't state the reason for this however. Exactly which point in coverage I'm not 100% sure but I think it was between round 8-10.
Players weren't allowed to keep the cards in the physical cube draft either.
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Is no one else bothered by the fact that they replaced the Modern top 8 with Standard instead? Like, who wants to watch Coursers, Siege Rhinos, and Thoughtseizes all day? Not me. Give us what we want! Give us what we deserve!
^ this. Sad this goes unnoticed but it's quite a disappointment honestly. Whole 2 days of standard that, even worse, won't change since the PT.
During the coverage of the Legacy Championship Randy Buheler was talking about this draft and said that he had been informed that the competitors would not be allowed to keep the cards they draft. He didn't state the reason for this however. Exactly which point in coverage I'm not 100% sure but I think it was between round 8-10.
Of course they can't keep the cards. Then you incentivize people to value draft instead of actually taking the correct pick for their deck, and lead to worse decks/games.
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What if someone drafts a Foil Lotus?
Do they get a Beta one IRL?
Foils are replaced in PT drafts afaik, I assume any foil could be non-foil as packs get reconstructed. I doubt they can keep any cards from the VMA draft.
I suspect that will be the case too...
... but damn, wouldn't it be sweet to watch one of the players, live on camera, crack a VMA booster to find a foil Lotus?
"Lotus! Sweet!... wait a... ..."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
Why is everyone focusing on them printing proxies or something like that
Isn't their explanation of "physically reconstructed" interpreted best as "We will take our stockpiled and rebought vintage cards and put them in boosters without printing new cards"?
Thats what happened with zendikar after all. Besides precedent, it makes the most sense. Doesn't affect the secondary market and doesn't break any internal rules
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
well, they have removed cards from the list
so they *can* remove all the cards
I thought that only happened once and with only 1 card?
And that happened in a time when they could have printed foil versions of the Reserved List cards - and that loophole was quickly covered up after they did it with the last card being Phyrexian Negator.
Which could mean if they tried to do that today, they would end up having to patch the loophole first and put that 1 card back on the list. And then nothing happens.
I thought that only happened once and with only 1 card?
And that happened in a time when they could have printed foil versions of the Reserved List cards - and that loophole was quickly covered up after they did it with the last card being Phyrexian Negator.
Which could mean if they tried to do that today, they would end up having to patch the loophole first and put that 1 card back on the list. And then nothing happens.
The Negator/foil loophole incident isn't what he's talking about.
In 2002 they decided it would be a good idea to remove a bunch of cards from the list. They asked people to vote, and the results were 5510 in favor and 570 against. So they changed the policy to no longer promise to not reprint those cards.
And that's why we have reprints of cards such as Clone and Juggernaut which were originally on the reserve list.
I thought that only happened once and with only 1 card?
And that happened in a time when they could have printed foil versions of the Reserved List cards - and that loophole was quickly covered up after they did it with the last card being Phyrexian Negator.
Which could mean if they tried to do that today, they would end up having to patch the loophole first and put that 1 card back on the list. And then nothing happens.
The Negator/foil loophole incident isn't what he's talking about.
In 2002 they decided it would be a good idea to remove a bunch of cards from the list. They asked people to vote, and the results were 5510 in favor and 570 against. So they changed the policy to no longer promise to not reprint those cards.
And that's why we have reprints of cards such as Clone and Juggernaut which were originally on the reserve list.
And, more importantly, Sol Ring.
There were also some cards removed without fanfare at various times (prior to 2002) that have later been reprinted. Time Warp, Living Death and a couple other cards were at times reserved. IIRC all the cards in this situation were Tempest block cards, as Tempest block was where they transitioned from the original 'there is only one opportunity for a core set reprint, and no more than 25% of rares will get it' policy to the later adopted Tempest/Urza block policy of 'We will designate whichever cards we want to be reserved'.
The reprint policy has only been changed once after the 2002 8E poll, when the 'premium' rules were changed by redefining premium to mean oversize or other promo cards. The only remaining loophole in it is that non-tournament legal cards can be printed at any time WotC desires.
Folks, there are several people who are either Wizard employees, or otherwise involved at a deep level with tournament magic (like Randy Buheler) who own Power 9 - some likely own more than 1 set. They won't have to brorow from dealers- they'll borrower from themselves.
Please for love of Pete stop discussing the Reserved List. This topic has nothing to do with it, they won't be getting around it, and it's just depressing. Until one of us makes several billion dollars and purchases WoTC from Hasboro and abolishes the list ourselves, it ain't happening.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you don't actually believe that ***** do you?
Hahahahahah, Oh god that's hilarious.
Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
They are not legally barred insofar as there is no way that printing cards on the reserve list could in any way violate any law. What is really going on is probably something like this:
1 - Magic is incredibly popular and profitable. They don't need to take any risky actions because the company is in trouble or anything like that, and there's probably no indication that printing reserve list cards would result in a huge financial windfall.
2 - Wizards'/Hasbro's legal team cannot be 100% certain that breaking their "promise" vis a vis the reserve list wouldn't result in a successful lawsuit, and if such a precedent was set it could be extremely expensive if there was a class action or tons of stores sued. Even if Wizards won the case, the legal fees could be quite high
3 - Thus, because they don't need to take the risk, they don't.
On topic with the draft - they could very easily print proxies and destroy them, but considering they borrowed cards from stores when they did the paper cube draft, I assume they will do the same here for reserved cards.
There were also some cards removed without fanfare at various times (prior to 2002) that have later been reprinted. Time Warp, Living Death and a couple other cards were at times reserved. IIRC all the cards in this situation were Tempest block cards, as Tempest block was where they transitioned from the original 'there is only one opportunity for a core set reprint, and no more than 25% of rares will get it' policy to the later adopted Tempest/Urza block policy of 'We will designate whichever cards we want to be reserved'.
The reprint policy has only been changed once after the 2002 8E poll, when the 'premium' rules were changed by redefining premium to mean oversize or other promo cards. The only remaining loophole in it is that non-tournament legal cards can be printed at any time WotC desires.
Why don't they reprint the collectors edition then? Then I could save a ton of money on my cube.
Is no one else bothered by the fact that they replaced the Modern top 8 with Standard instead? Like, who wants to watch Coursers, Siege Rhinos, and Thoughtseizes all day? Not me. Give us what we want! Give us what we deserve!
I didn't notice this, but it's a total bummer. Standard is always just so boring. Although I admit I've been a little bored with Modern coverage of late, too. Don't get me wrong, I love the format, I just don't think such a combo-heavy meta makes for particularly enthralling coverage.
Please for love of Pete stop discussing the Reserved List. This topic has nothing to do with it, they won't be getting around it, and it's just depressing. Until one of us makes several billion dollars and purchases WoTC from Hasboro and abolishes the list ourselves, it ain't happening.
The reserved list is a hot topic that inspires a never-ending stream of vitriol from many players, including myself. As long as we're going to be subjected to it, the magic community is going to be subjected to our *****ing.
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
MaRo can't abolish the Reserved List for exactly the same reason you can't abolish it, he doesn't have the authority. He has explained the official reason that it won't be repealed: They made a promise and breaking it would shake consumer confidence.
There are certainly deeper reasons than that but we're not completely in the dark.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
A suit and settlement against WotC or Hasbro would have made the news somewhere. More likely Hasbro's lawyers have explained to MaRo that as the public face of the game his statement can affect speculator markets. If he makes a comment that affects the stock prices of a publicly traded company (like WotC or Hasbro) he could face legal action from the SEC and probably internally as well.
I thought that only happened once and with only 1 card?
And that happened in a time when they could have printed foil versions of the Reserved List cards - and that loophole was quickly covered up after they did it with the last card being Phyrexian Negator.
Which could mean if they tried to do that today, they would end up having to patch the loophole first and put that 1 card back on the list. And then nothing happens.
The Negator/foil loophole incident isn't what he's talking about.
In 2002 they decided it would be a good idea to remove a bunch of cards from the list. They asked people to vote, and the results were 5510 in favor and 570 against. So they changed the policy to no longer promise to not reprint those cards.
And that's why we have reprints of cards such as Clone and Juggernaut which were originally on the reserve list.
Thanks for the information. I was only aware that Clone came off the list and didn't know it was actually several cards at the same time.
I didn't define my first sentence properly, the first line was actually referring to the Clone incident (Which was the only one I was aware of).
The Phyrexian Negator incident was pointing out that in more recent times, any attempt to meddle in the policy only gets loopholes closed. So basically, based on your information, if attempted to get us to vote again, they will be forced to cover it up first by adding on the the "promise" that they are no longer allowed to let us vote whether to remove some cards from the list. I was using the Negator incident as an example of what might happen if we tried doing that now.
Is no one else bothered by the fact that they replaced the Modern top 8 with Standard instead? Like, who wants to watch Coursers, Siege Rhinos, and Thoughtseizes all day? Not me. Give us what we want! Give us what we deserve!
I didn't notice this, but it's a total bummer. Standard is always just so boring. Although I admit I've been a little bored with Modern coverage of late, too. Don't get me wrong, I love the format, I just don't think such a combo-heavy meta makes for particularly enthralling coverage.
Please for love of Pete stop discussing the Reserved List. This topic has nothing to do with it, they won't be getting around it, and it's just depressing. Until one of us makes several billion dollars and purchases WoTC from Hasboro and abolishes the list ourselves, it ain't happening.
The reserved list is a hot topic that inspires a never-ending stream of vitriol from many players, including myself. As long as we're going to be subjected to it, the magic community is going to be subjected to our *****ing.
I never liked the reserved list myself and I always thought it was quite stupid that they try so hard... The real reason why there's a reserved list is because when Chronicles was printed people got their panties in a bunch and a lot of people quit. Collectors started selling their collections off and at the time the game was really fragile. The reserve list was created as a means to restore confidence in the elites. I however, had been playing since Alpha and I loved reprints. Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Legends were so limited that people didn't get enough of them. And the fact Legends boxes were missing half the set didn't help either. So when the Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands were printed, they were done in such a high quantity they flooded the market. And then came Chronicles, a set that had such a high quantity they flooded the market and people thought cards were going to be totally worthless. So... Instead of doing something companies like Decipher did with Limited and Unlimited sets of every expansion, or what they did in Reflections (which was a genius move on Decipher's part) they created the reserved list. So that kept the collectors in, and their sales went back to normal. Chronicles.... pissed off people. However, I liked Chronicles.
So there's the real facts, Decipher's sales turned to crap and WotC stabilized... In a time where there were 8 CCGs around trying to model themselves after WotC, not including Star Trek, Star Wars, Warlord, Blood Wars, Pokemon, Werewolf and Vampire, and many many others...
Is no one else bothered by the fact that they replaced the Modern top 8 with Standard instead? Like, who wants to watch Coursers, Siege Rhinos, and Thoughtseizes all day? Not me. Give us what we want! Give us what we deserve!
I didn't notice this, but it's a total bummer. Standard is always just so boring. Although I admit I've been a little bored with Modern coverage of late, too. Don't get me wrong, I love the format, I just don't think such a combo-heavy meta makes for particularly enthralling coverage.
Please for love of Pete stop discussing the Reserved List. This topic has nothing to do with it, they won't be getting around it, and it's just depressing. Until one of us makes several billion dollars and purchases WoTC from Hasboro and abolishes the list ourselves, it ain't happening.
The reserved list is a hot topic that inspires a never-ending stream of vitriol from many players, including myself. As long as we're going to be subjected to it, the magic community is going to be subjected to our *****ing.
I never liked the reserved list myself and I always thought it was quite stupid that they try so hard... The real reason why there's a reserved list is because when Chronicles was printed people got their panties in a bunch and a lot of people quit. Collectors started selling their collections off and at the time the game was really fragile. The reserve list was created as a means to restore confidence in the elites. I however, had been playing since Alpha and I loved reprints. Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Legends were so limited that people didn't get enough of them. And the fact Legends boxes were missing half the set didn't help either. So when the Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands were printed, they were done in such a high quantity they flooded the market. And then came Chronicles, a set that had such a high quantity they flooded the market and people thought cards were going to be totally worthless. So... Instead of doing something companies like Decipher did with Limited and Unlimited sets of every expansion, or what they did in Reflections (which was a genius move on Decipher's part) they created the reserved list. So that kept the collectors in, and their sales went back to normal. Chronicles.... pissed off people. However, I liked Chronicles.
So there's the real facts, Decipher's sales turned to crap and WotC stabilized... In a time where there were 8 CCGs around trying to model themselves after WotC, not including Star Trek, Star Wars, Warlord, Blood Wars, Pokemon, Werewolf and Vampire, and many many others...
I've been around for quite a while myself and I certainly understand the logistics and reasoning behind the Reserved List. I understand the situation was dire back in '96 and it called for immediate (if not so severe) action. But that doesn't change the fact that the list is bad for the game. I've been *****ing about it for a very long time, and I'll probably be *****ing about it until I eventually end up leaving Magic for one reason or another.
Will all these new arts they've developed for the Power 9 and whatnot, I'm with the few who have already said this, do a Gold Bordered Collector's edition like back in the old days (with different backs and all and the new arts)
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Let's look at the facts:
MaRo, the head designer of Magic wishes he could abolish the Reserved List.
He says he can't. Not won't. Not was told that he can't. He just plain can't.
He also says he can't talk about why he can't abolish the Reserved List. That smacks extremely strongly of a legal reason, such as a settlement involving the inability to talk about the settlement.
So, if you've got a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
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It's possible that they're being legally prohibited from repealing the Reserved List, but it's certainly not confirmed. My theory is that someone threatened a lawsuit, and WotC's legal team determined it wasn't worth the time, effort, and bad PR. The Reserved List isn't a legally binding agreement, and companies change their business policies all the time.
Its legal stuff, plus its a hard line that the current CEO is 100% never going to change his mind on.
At any rate, this has as much to do with the reserve list or reprinting cards as when they did physical modo cube packs in a previous year.
It is just the same idea, executed with another popular online draft format.
They could source the cards from literally anywhere. It wouldn't be difficult for WoTC to get power at all.
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^ this. Sad this goes unnoticed but it's quite a disappointment honestly. Whole 2 days of standard that, even worse, won't change since the PT.
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Of course they can't keep the cards. Then you incentivize people to value draft instead of actually taking the correct pick for their deck, and lead to worse decks/games.
I suspect that will be the case too...
... but damn, wouldn't it be sweet to watch one of the players, live on camera, crack a VMA booster to find a foil Lotus?
"Lotus! Sweet!... wait a... ..."
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well, they have removed cards from the list
so they *can* remove all the cards
Isn't their explanation of "physically reconstructed" interpreted best as "We will take our stockpiled and rebought vintage cards and put them in boosters without printing new cards"?
Thats what happened with zendikar after all. Besides precedent, it makes the most sense. Doesn't affect the secondary market and doesn't break any internal rules
I thought that only happened once and with only 1 card?
And that happened in a time when they could have printed foil versions of the Reserved List cards - and that loophole was quickly covered up after they did it with the last card being Phyrexian Negator.
Which could mean if they tried to do that today, they would end up having to patch the loophole first and put that 1 card back on the list. And then nothing happens.
The Negator/foil loophole incident isn't what he's talking about.
In 2002 they decided it would be a good idea to remove a bunch of cards from the list. They asked people to vote, and the results were 5510 in favor and 570 against. So they changed the policy to no longer promise to not reprint those cards.
And that's why we have reprints of cards such as Clone and Juggernaut which were originally on the reserve list.
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And, more importantly, Sol Ring.
There were also some cards removed without fanfare at various times (prior to 2002) that have later been reprinted. Time Warp, Living Death and a couple other cards were at times reserved. IIRC all the cards in this situation were Tempest block cards, as Tempest block was where they transitioned from the original 'there is only one opportunity for a core set reprint, and no more than 25% of rares will get it' policy to the later adopted Tempest/Urza block policy of 'We will designate whichever cards we want to be reserved'.
The reprint policy has only been changed once after the 2002 8E poll, when the 'premium' rules were changed by redefining premium to mean oversize or other promo cards. The only remaining loophole in it is that non-tournament legal cards can be printed at any time WotC desires.
Please for love of Pete stop discussing the Reserved List. This topic has nothing to do with it, they won't be getting around it, and it's just depressing. Until one of us makes several billion dollars and purchases WoTC from Hasboro and abolishes the list ourselves, it ain't happening.
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They are not legally barred insofar as there is no way that printing cards on the reserve list could in any way violate any law. What is really going on is probably something like this:
1 - Magic is incredibly popular and profitable. They don't need to take any risky actions because the company is in trouble or anything like that, and there's probably no indication that printing reserve list cards would result in a huge financial windfall.
2 - Wizards'/Hasbro's legal team cannot be 100% certain that breaking their "promise" vis a vis the reserve list wouldn't result in a successful lawsuit, and if such a precedent was set it could be extremely expensive if there was a class action or tons of stores sued. Even if Wizards won the case, the legal fees could be quite high
3 - Thus, because they don't need to take the risk, they don't.
On topic with the draft - they could very easily print proxies and destroy them, but considering they borrowed cards from stores when they did the paper cube draft, I assume they will do the same here for reserved cards.
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Why don't they reprint the collectors edition then? Then I could save a ton of money on my cube.
I didn't notice this, but it's a total bummer. Standard is always just so boring. Although I admit I've been a little bored with Modern coverage of late, too. Don't get me wrong, I love the format, I just don't think such a combo-heavy meta makes for particularly enthralling coverage.
The reserved list is a hot topic that inspires a never-ending stream of vitriol from many players, including myself. As long as we're going to be subjected to it, the magic community is going to be subjected to our *****ing.
MaRo can't abolish the Reserved List for exactly the same reason you can't abolish it, he doesn't have the authority. He has explained the official reason that it won't be repealed: They made a promise and breaking it would shake consumer confidence.
There are certainly deeper reasons than that but we're not completely in the dark.
A suit and settlement against WotC or Hasbro would have made the news somewhere. More likely Hasbro's lawyers have explained to MaRo that as the public face of the game his statement can affect speculator markets. If he makes a comment that affects the stock prices of a publicly traded company (like WotC or Hasbro) he could face legal action from the SEC and probably internally as well.
Thanks for the information. I was only aware that Clone came off the list and didn't know it was actually several cards at the same time.
I didn't define my first sentence properly, the first line was actually referring to the Clone incident (Which was the only one I was aware of).
The Phyrexian Negator incident was pointing out that in more recent times, any attempt to meddle in the policy only gets loopholes closed. So basically, based on your information, if attempted to get us to vote again, they will be forced to cover it up first by adding on the the "promise" that they are no longer allowed to let us vote whether to remove some cards from the list. I was using the Negator incident as an example of what might happen if we tried doing that now.
I never liked the reserved list myself and I always thought it was quite stupid that they try so hard... The real reason why there's a reserved list is because when Chronicles was printed people got their panties in a bunch and a lot of people quit. Collectors started selling their collections off and at the time the game was really fragile. The reserve list was created as a means to restore confidence in the elites. I however, had been playing since Alpha and I loved reprints. Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Legends were so limited that people didn't get enough of them. And the fact Legends boxes were missing half the set didn't help either. So when the Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands were printed, they were done in such a high quantity they flooded the market. And then came Chronicles, a set that had such a high quantity they flooded the market and people thought cards were going to be totally worthless. So... Instead of doing something companies like Decipher did with Limited and Unlimited sets of every expansion, or what they did in Reflections (which was a genius move on Decipher's part) they created the reserved list. So that kept the collectors in, and their sales went back to normal. Chronicles.... pissed off people. However, I liked Chronicles.
So there's the real facts, Decipher's sales turned to crap and WotC stabilized... In a time where there were 8 CCGs around trying to model themselves after WotC, not including Star Trek, Star Wars, Warlord, Blood Wars, Pokemon, Werewolf and Vampire, and many many others...
I've been around for quite a while myself and I certainly understand the logistics and reasoning behind the Reserved List. I understand the situation was dire back in '96 and it called for immediate (if not so severe) action. But that doesn't change the fact that the list is bad for the game. I've been *****ing about it for a very long time, and I'll probably be *****ing about it until I eventually end up leaving Magic for one reason or another.