But when you've played with the good stuff, aren't you just a little disappointed by the bad stuff?
That said, for all anybody here knows, KTK Limited could turn out to be greatest draft format ever conceived by WotC. Constructed turds have very little bearing on that.
So why can't they bump all the rares down to uncommons, then? If it would make a good Constructed, then it would make a good Limited. Lingering Souls was an uncommon, and it was really good in both formats.
The last time a set was made for Limited, we got Coldsnap. The last time a set was made for Constructed, we got Modern Masters.
How was Modern Masters made for Constructed? The entire set was designed specifically to be drafted there were no constructed concerns because the set was entirely reprints. Card Rarity only matters in limited Elspeth wouldn't be a worse card if it was a common and runeclaw bears wouldn't be a better card if it was a mythic.
Just because you play with powerful effects does not make you a good player. Making good decisions based on what's available is what makes you a good player
This is true.
But when you've played with the good stuff, aren't you just a little disappointed by the bad stuff?
That said, for all anybody here knows, KTK Limited could turn out to be greatest draft format ever conceived by WotC. The set could be full of Constructed turds and still play sweet as sugar in Limited.
Not really
I'm easy to please however, I will acknowledge that
I don't think this card is great or anything: I just don't see why people think it's terrible
This card is a beating in Limited; at Uncommon this would be way too strong given how much of a premium there is on removal and how solid regeneration is in low removal formats. So these 'should have been Uncommon' posts are all pretty off the mark. Cry about it more if you like, but Limited matters to a lot of people. I'll be happy to open this in many packs in Sealed and Draft.
It could also see Standard play. It's hard to block, hard to attack into, and is effective against lots of different removal. For a 2 drop, that's a lot of value.
Well, let's entertain the thought anyway. When was the last time a good Limited led to a good Constructed? I'm not being facetious here, I am genuinely curious.
I thought Magic 2014 was a blast to draft, and that's generally regarded as having the Constructed impact of balloon riding on a feather in a light breeze with a parachute.
Slivers!
But I digress... the point is, I'll look past the rarity impropriety (which is still a thing, I'm not letting it go) if KTK Limited turns out to be some kind of amazing, diverse, strategic, deep, balanced format.
Wut. Please don't compare this guy to Spiritmonger. If I've to pay GBGB always to become a Spiritmonger, then it is no Spiritmonger. Adding a sengir's clause wouldn't have made much of a difference.
Gold cards tend to be better than their monocolored counterparts. For starters, it could have been a 3/2 or 2/3.
One interesting note: his first ability helps him get around a lot of stuff his regeneration wouldn't. For instance, exile on kill abilities (Anger of the Gods) and -X/-X (Bile Blight). That means he's much more resilient than a simple regenerating creature.
According the mtggoldfish, the following were the most played nonrotating removal spells:
Stoke the Flames
Lightning Strike
Bile Blight
Magma Spray
Drown in Sorrow
Searing Blood
Banishing Light
Shock
Chained to the Rocks
Magma Jet
Last Breath
Anger of the Gods
Setessen Tactics
Domri Rade
Deicide
Of all that, and all the new spells in KTK the following could kill him with BG up: Utter End, Banishing Light, Chained to the Rocks. That means that non-white decks will basically be unable to remove him. He is in some sense the most resilient creature in all of standard, and he serves a valuable role against midrange and control decks. As a pure Rootwalla he may be worse than Putrid Leech, but I think people are underestimating just how powerful the combination of his two abilities is in standard.
This card looks like lotleth troll, but, just not quite as sweet.
Its just a bit too mana hungry, but hey regenerating fatty if you flood out on mana, nice to have a 2 drop that can dominate as a topdeck
You're the one saying this card is an insult to your ilk
Is it a full moon or something?
I wrote it's a insult to people who like strong cards, not me. You need to start reading what people write before posting 4 times per page, while at the same time calling people kids even though you don't know what age people are on the forum.
Take a chill pill, maybe get a poutine and a diet coke.
It's true that I don't know what age people are on a forum
But it's pretty easy to tell how mature they are
Like when someone says that a business making a card for a game should be considered an insult
This is one of those cards that you dismiss immediately and then it takes over Standard and you look back at your old posts and doubt your card evaluation skills.
This is one of those cards that you dismiss immediately and then it takes over Standard and you look back at your old posts and doubt your card evaluation skills.
Either that or this card is bad.
I'm not sure about sitting on the fence. There's too many posts like this without taking a side. If you're sure, you're sure. But also be brave enough to eat humble pie when one is wrong. (Sorry I'm using your post as an example.)
I think people need to look at the bigger scheme of things when evaluating cards like this. If you truly believe this will break limited, but then complain when you've to fork out $5 (for example) for these when Putrid Leech cost almost next to nothing, which side would you take?
I'm all for a more powerful state of Magic. In terms of power level, Magic is almost at an all time low in the last 5 years. The excitement isn't the same.
He cannot dodge End Hostilities, and would need to use 4 mana to dodge Mardu Charm.
That said, I like him allot. The only reason I am upset that he is Rare is that I cant Peasant Cube him.
EDIT: He is better than Putrid Leech people, the Leech can only max out at 4/4 on it's own merit, but there is no limitations on buffing this to 6/6 or 8/8.
He cannot dodge End Hostilities, and would need to use 4 mana to dodge Mardu Charm.
That said, I like him allot. The only reason I am upset that he is Rare is that I cant Peasant Cube him.
EDIT: He is better than Putrid Leech people, the Leech can only max out at 4/4 on it's own merit, but there is no limitations on buffing this to 6/6 or 8/8.
Wow, aside from KolbaneX and maybe a couple other people, nobody sees how good this card is. Let me see if I can explain.
The main complaint I see is that his abilities are too expensive. They are not understanding that the abilities are far more useful when they simply THREATEN to be used than when the are actually used. He's a 2/2 bear. But he's a 2/2 bear that can't be blocked by Courser or Caryatid because he'll pump and kill them. I don't think most people are going to trade their Courser to make you lose 2 mana. So, he's basically pseudo-unblockable.
You can't really kill him either if his controller has mana up (with stuff that gets around regen being exceptions, but most of that costs more than 2 mana.) Yes, you have to hold mana up to protect him. But the kind of deck that wants to use this card generally wants to keep mana up. You don't cram this guy into super fast aggro decks. You play him in grindy controlling decks with good instant speed options. You play him in a deck like Sultai that can just drop this on turn 2, then hold downfall/counterspell/card draw mana.
He defends against early aggro while gaining value. He provides early pressure against control that needs to be answered by expensive exile effects. He can pump into a serious threat in the late game if ignored. And best of all: he's a two mana bear, so who cares if they do waste a removal on him?
Excellent choice for grindy or aggressive controlling decks. Smart Sultai and Abzan players will find a home for this kitty, count on it.
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This was the same situation when Nantuko Shade was reprinted in one of the coresets. It barely saw play. The only threat of activation that is truly a threat is Aetherling. And the very niche Frostburn Weird.
A decent card, though I dont think it is quite good enough in Constructed unless there is a good GB agggressive midrange deck. Significantly better than Truefire Paladin, but still has bear stats
This card would be playable in any color combination, but Black has support from Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and green has all of the ramp support. At the end of the game, you won't need to top deck a fatty to crush your opponent, you can just pump this guy with all of your excess mana.
In short, he is good for early aggro, good on the back foot in defense, a late game titan AND he is really hard to kill to boot.
Aggro - Too mana intensive, too slow. Your mana matters most early game, and a 2/2 is going to be stopped by 80% of creatures. Why wouldn't I just play a 2/X on turn 1? I pretty much have to waste my entire t3 to make good use of him and if the game is going that slow I'm just gonna lose to midrange or control (if it still exists)
Midrange: Not what midrange wants. Midrange wants value, but this guy uses up too much mana for minor til-end-of-turn effects. You're probably playing a hexproof mana dork anyway so you can churn out ETB creatures and planeswalkers.
How was Modern Masters made for Constructed? The entire set was designed specifically to be drafted there were no constructed concerns because the set was entirely reprints. Card Rarity only matters in limited Elspeth wouldn't be a worse card if it was a common and runeclaw bears wouldn't be a better card if it was a mythic.
Not really
I'm easy to please however, I will acknowledge that
I don't think this card is great or anything: I just don't see why people think it's terrible
It could also see Standard play. It's hard to block, hard to attack into, and is effective against lots of different removal. For a 2 drop, that's a lot of value.
Slivers!
But I digress... the point is, I'll look past the rarity impropriety (which is still a thing, I'm not letting it go) if KTK Limited turns out to be some kind of amazing, diverse, strategic, deep, balanced format.
Gold cards tend to be better than their monocolored counterparts. For starters, it could have been a 3/2 or 2/3.
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According the mtggoldfish, the following were the most played nonrotating removal spells:
Stoke the Flames
Lightning Strike
Bile Blight
Magma Spray
Drown in Sorrow
Searing Blood
Banishing Light
Shock
Chained to the Rocks
Magma Jet
Last Breath
Anger of the Gods
Setessen Tactics
Domri Rade
Deicide
Of all that, and all the new spells in KTK the following could kill him with BG up: Utter End, Banishing Light, Chained to the Rocks. That means that non-white decks will basically be unable to remove him. He is in some sense the most resilient creature in all of standard, and he serves a valuable role against midrange and control decks. As a pure Rootwalla he may be worse than Putrid Leech, but I think people are underestimating just how powerful the combination of his two abilities is in standard.
You're the one saying this card is an insult to your ilk
Is it a full moon or something?
Its just a bit too mana hungry, but hey regenerating fatty if you flood out on mana, nice to have a 2 drop that can dominate as a topdeck
It's true that I don't know what age people are on a forum
But it's pretty easy to tell how mature they are
Like when someone says that a business making a card for a game should be considered an insult
Either that or this card is bad.
That is exactly what I thought when I saw this, my Golgari guild section could do with this kind of love.
I'm not sure about sitting on the fence. There's too many posts like this without taking a side. If you're sure, you're sure. But also be brave enough to eat humble pie when one is wrong. (Sorry I'm using your post as an example.)
I think people need to look at the bigger scheme of things when evaluating cards like this. If you truly believe this will break limited, but then complain when you've to fork out $5 (for example) for these when Putrid Leech cost almost next to nothing, which side would you take?
I'm all for a more powerful state of Magic. In terms of power level, Magic is almost at an all time low in the last 5 years. The excitement isn't the same.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
He cannot dodge End Hostilities, and would need to use 4 mana to dodge Mardu Charm.
That said, I like him allot. The only reason I am upset that he is Rare is that I cant Peasant Cube him.
EDIT: He is better than Putrid Leech people, the Leech can only max out at 4/4 on it's own merit, but there is no limitations on buffing this to 6/6 or 8/8.
He actually can dodge End Hostilities and Mardu Charm...
Level 2 Judge
The main complaint I see is that his abilities are too expensive. They are not understanding that the abilities are far more useful when they simply THREATEN to be used than when the are actually used. He's a 2/2 bear. But he's a 2/2 bear that can't be blocked by Courser or Caryatid because he'll pump and kill them. I don't think most people are going to trade their Courser to make you lose 2 mana. So, he's basically pseudo-unblockable.
You can't really kill him either if his controller has mana up (with stuff that gets around regen being exceptions, but most of that costs more than 2 mana.) Yes, you have to hold mana up to protect him. But the kind of deck that wants to use this card generally wants to keep mana up. You don't cram this guy into super fast aggro decks. You play him in grindy controlling decks with good instant speed options. You play him in a deck like Sultai that can just drop this on turn 2, then hold downfall/counterspell/card draw mana.
He defends against early aggro while gaining value. He provides early pressure against control that needs to be answered by expensive exile effects. He can pump into a serious threat in the late game if ignored. And best of all: he's a two mana bear, so who cares if they do waste a removal on him?
Excellent choice for grindy or aggressive controlling decks. Smart Sultai and Abzan players will find a home for this kitty, count on it.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
Um... If you play this turn two in Limited is less powerful than Pack Rat, but still really hard to kill.
2/2 for 2 mana is nothing to sniff at early game, neither is the ability to swing for 4 damage on turn three.
In midrange control, this is a good defensive tool. You can pump him to kill your opponent's fatties or chump block and regenerate him for 2 mana.
Late game, with a little support from Prowler's Helm or Invisibility, this card could be an Ætherling level threat.
This card would be playable in any color combination, but Black has support from Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and green has all of the ramp support. At the end of the game, you won't need to top deck a fatty to crush your opponent, you can just pump this guy with all of your excess mana.
In short, he is good for early aggro, good on the back foot in defense, a late game titan AND he is really hard to kill to boot.
Midrange: Not what midrange wants. Midrange wants value, but this guy uses up too much mana for minor til-end-of-turn effects. You're probably playing a hexproof mana dork anyway so you can churn out ETB creatures and planeswalkers.
This card is bad for constructed.
Dega midrange 1-0