R&D considers fetchlands to be dual lands. If they don't I would be genuinely surprised. Yes the reasoning is based on this being a full 3 set block. I also imagine that in meetings when they determined that onslaught fetches would be in KTK they probably put the zendikar fetches in the third set since it was large as it would be quite odd to reprint half the cycle of fetchlands when everyone was begging for all the fetchlands to be reprinted not just allied ones.
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They will not be making 5 lands cycles in BLOCKS this is a block M15 was not. Enemy painlands are good as they do double duty in wedges. We still have temples and wedge tri lands can still do duty as allied colour guildgates if need be. So two sets of duals for allied two colour decks. 5 duals cycles for enemy two colour decks (Two tri lands painlands fetch and temple) 8 duals for the wedges and even 6 for allied wedge colours.
Yes the reasoning is based on this being a full 3 set block. I also imagine that in meetings when they determined that onslaught fetches would be in KTK they probably put the zendikar fetches in the third set since it was large as it would be quite odd to reprint half the cycle of fetchlands when everyone was begging for all the fetchlands to be reprinted not just allied ones.
Aaaand we are back to wishful thinking.
I am just saying that the "we will print complete cycles" thing started to live a life of its own and people are swearing by it, whereas the original quote was rather vague, as I demonstrated by finding it. But everybody is taking it as a holy word.
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Guys, let's not get hasty. I don't believe all 10 fetchlands will be in this block - why?
They want 10 land cycles, don't we already have 10? Did everyone forget about the tri-lands? You essentially have perfect manafixing right there, just like Zendikar did.
I am just saying that the "we will print complete cycles" thing started to live a life of its own and people are swearing by it, whereas the original quote was rather vague, as I demonstrated by finding it. But everybody is taking it as a holy word.
There is truth in this. I too am hopeful of the possible Zendikar fetchlands being reprinted in the near future. It is only wishful thinking as well, but I am optimistic. It should be noted in the link that you shared, Maro said that such cycles would be printed "when we can", meaning that there may be possibilities we may not get the Zen. Fetches.
With KTK/Duey falling off together, leaving Louie/M16 as a "block" in the new structure, there's a good chance that the five enemy fetchlands could be in Dewey. This will allow all 10 fetches to cycle-out together while leaving Dewey and M16 to do their own 10 dual lands.
This is assuming they reprint enemy fetches at all, of course.
I feel like WOTC announced the cancellation of modern in the pro tour on purpose in an effort to see if the fan support for modern warranted a reprint of the fetchlands. But that's just my inner conspiracy theorist coming out.
I feel like WOTC announced the cancellation of modern in the pro tour on purpose in an effort to see if the fan support for modern warranted a reprint of the fetchlands. But that's just my inner conspiracy theorist coming out.
That makes literally no sense. The set was finished long before that announcement and the fetchlands were, according to Maro, the first cards in the set. That means that they were put in over a year ago.
Third, to all the people talking about how these aren't particularly great for Standard or have anti-synergy with scrylands, I beg to differ. If you remember ZEN-SOM Standard, the fetches were pretty useful. We had the fastlands and checklands to pair them with. Yes, they helped the checklands etb untapped, but they still only found basic lands. Personally I feel like they have better synergy with the current lands, because:
The scry lands do push stuff to the bottom, but late game you may want to shuffle things up. Say you had to push Elspeth down because you need lands and only had 2 in your deck. I'd be glad I can shuffle up and get another chance to draw her.
Since we're working with painlands now, fetches can really help avoid taking too much damage over time by finding the color you need to avoid pinging yourself.
This may only help a subset of decks, but having Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in Standard enables shenanigans with fetches since they can produce mana.
Fourth, there are actually some nice synergies with running more basics in Standard right now, which has been a non-basic orgy over the past several blocks. Burnished Hart and Nissa's Expedition could represent some awesome ramping opportunity for decks running more basics.
The real tragedy in my mind is that Deathrite Shaman is rotating, likely salivating at the thought of all those delicious fetchlands in the yard. Oh well, probably best for Mono B not to have the ability to ramp.
I don't understand either why people think Fetch lands are not great in standard. I played in the Zen Block and fetches at that time were an auto include in almost every Standard deck I see. Heck I see a pretty good synergy between Fetchland and Courser to Kruphix and that alone will make it viable in standard for green decks. in all actuality I'm tempted to play standard just because there is fetchlands, well it worked back in Zendikar, so why not in KTK as well.
On another note, Courser of Kruphix is now Out of Stock in SCG, and i predict it will still go higher than before, good think I kept 3pcs and I might play GW in the coming standard.
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They said this would be a time travel block. Along those lines, and the flavor text, I'm thinking the pair will be together.
It would be a sweet flavor bump for the onslaught fetches to be in the age after Dragons and the Zendikar fetches to be in the past (or the future?) when dragons existed (or returned?).
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For now. Khans is about to blow it out of the water.
For the sole reason of these Fetches. Wizards sure knows how to get players to throw money their way
This. People are saying they weren't going to buy any KTK and now they're buying two boxes. For what? Because there's 5 fetches printed in the set and you might get a few of them in a box? Jeez just buy singles then. I mean, we don't even know how good the set is yet.
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but Landfall being a pervasive block mechanic, built into some of the best cards in the format (like Lotus Cobra), and pairing with some of the best cards in the format (Oracle of Mul Daya, Primeval Titan) was a big reason for their near auto-include in most Standard decks of the time.
I think fetchlands in the upcoming Standard are going to be useful, but just that: 'useful,' and not 'mandatory,' as they were during Zendikar.
Not prospecting a good future for legacy... but who cares. Fetches are back
Why not? As a legacy-only player who already owns all the fetches I need, this is awesome news. Makes it easier to get into the format.
Now modern essentially has the same mana fixing capabilities that legacy has. The duallands are the only thing missing but the painlands do exactly the same thing. Modern power level is pretty high (not as high as legacy, for sure) but as the time goes by, the power level is likely to increase due to the few modern-playable and modern-changing cards that are introduced in new sets. And due to the nature of the early sets, power level in legacy is likely to stay the same (or increase in a much smaller way when compared to modern). There's no deny that modern is becoming increasingly similar to legacy, with high prices, unfair decks with variance likely to become as low as legacy as stamples like the fetch lands are reprinted.
I think it is only a matter of time for modern to become the new legacy
I feel like WOTC announced the cancellation of modern in the pro tour on purpose in an effort to see if the fan support for modern warranted a reprint of the fetchlands. But that's just my inner conspiracy theorist coming out.
That makes literally no sense. The set was finished long before that announcement and the fetchlands were, according to Maro, the first cards in the set. That means that they were put in over a year ago.
Yeah I know. That's why I said my "inner conspiracy theorist". And yes I know MaRo has stated multiple times that he lives 2 years in the future.
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Did somebody actually claim to speak for all legacy players? If not, you shouldn't put words in other peoples' mouths.
Wishful thinking, not a fact.
Now that's better.
Aaaand we are back to wishful thinking.
I am just saying that the "we will print complete cycles" thing started to live a life of its own and people are swearing by it, whereas the original quote was rather vague, as I demonstrated by finding it. But everybody is taking it as a holy word.
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They want 10 land cycles, don't we already have 10? Did everyone forget about the tri-lands? You essentially have perfect manafixing right there, just like Zendikar did.
therefore I think we will either have
M15: Enemy Painlands
KTK: Ally Fetchlands
Dewey: None
Louie: None
OR
M15: Enemy Painlands
KTK: Ally Fetchlands
Dewey: Ally Painlands
Louie: Enemy Fetchlands
but as Smanka said, 5 fetches and 5 clan lands seems most likely
Seriously, all of you need to stop. Allied painlands cannot be reprinted in Khans because they have names that are specific to Dominaria.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
There is truth in this. I too am hopeful of the possible Zendikar fetchlands being reprinted in the near future. It is only wishful thinking as well, but I am optimistic. It should be noted in the link that you shared, Maro said that such cycles would be printed "when we can", meaning that there may be possibilities we may not get the Zen. Fetches.
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This is correct for flavor reasons. I believe the allied painlands will see reprints in M16 if anything.
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With KTK/Duey falling off together, leaving Louie/M16 as a "block" in the new structure, there's a good chance that the five enemy fetchlands could be in Dewey. This will allow all 10 fetches to cycle-out together while leaving Dewey and M16 to do their own 10 dual lands.
This is assuming they reprint enemy fetches at all, of course.
That makes literally no sense. The set was finished long before that announcement and the fetchlands were, according to Maro, the first cards in the set. That means that they were put in over a year ago.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I don't understand either why people think Fetch lands are not great in standard. I played in the Zen Block and fetches at that time were an auto include in almost every Standard deck I see. Heck I see a pretty good synergy between Fetchland and Courser to Kruphix and that alone will make it viable in standard for green decks. in all actuality I'm tempted to play standard just because there is fetchlands, well it worked back in Zendikar, so why not in KTK as well.
On another note, Courser of Kruphix is now Out of Stock in SCG, and i predict it will still go higher than before, good think I kept 3pcs and I might play GW in the coming standard.
It would be a sweet flavor bump for the onslaught fetches to be in the age after Dragons and the Zendikar fetches to be in the past (or the future?) when dragons existed (or returned?).
This. People are saying they weren't going to buy any KTK and now they're buying two boxes. For what? Because there's 5 fetches printed in the set and you might get a few of them in a box? Jeez just buy singles then. I mean, we don't even know how good the set is yet.
I think fetchlands in the upcoming Standard are going to be useful, but just that: 'useful,' and not 'mandatory,' as they were during Zendikar.
Now modern essentially has the same mana fixing capabilities that legacy has. The duallands are the only thing missing but the painlands do exactly the same thing. Modern power level is pretty high (not as high as legacy, for sure) but as the time goes by, the power level is likely to increase due to the few modern-playable and modern-changing cards that are introduced in new sets. And due to the nature of the early sets, power level in legacy is likely to stay the same (or increase in a much smaller way when compared to modern). There's no deny that modern is becoming increasingly similar to legacy, with high prices, unfair decks with variance likely to become as low as legacy as stamples like the fetch lands are reprinted.
I think it is only a matter of time for modern to become the new legacy
Yeah I know. That's why I said my "inner conspiracy theorist". And yes I know MaRo has stated multiple times that he lives 2 years in the future.
Um ... he got them from the PAX M:tG party that everyone's talking about at the moment?