Woot woot!!! Extremely glad Wizards is listening to feedback from the players. Personally, I find the modern events infinitely more interesting than standard.
So they are capable of not making the worst possible decisions after you threaten their bottom line, and force them to pull their heads out of the usual place.
While upset, I understood when they decided to cancel Modern PT. Its still a little boring for coverage. As the matches are played through the day, the number of similar decks starts getting out of hand.
And how replacing it with standard, that have less different decks available, makes coverage less boring?
So glad they changed it to Modern, it's the PT I look most forward to. Fall Pro Tour as Standard is a great chance to showcase the new set and the meta after rotation, but we really don't need 4 of them throughout the year. It's usually really stale and well-defined after the Spring set has already come out. Hell, PTM15 only had one breakout deck with Rabble Red and the rest of the field was pretty much the same decks we've been seeing over the last few months. Standard Pro Tours get so boring when teams come with 6-7 people each playing the same exact deck.
That's what made PT BNG so interesting to me. You had individuals who put in hundreds of matches and hours with their decks able to showcase their mastery. Modern is a format that rewards players for their mastery of a deck. It's so much better than Standard to me where teams can afford to splurge on some pricy deck two nights before the tourney and win big if they pinpoint the meta effectively. It was so interesting seeing all the wacky decks and card interactions that we'd just never see in a Standard PT. For this season, I feel that it was PT Theros = PT BNG > PT M15 >>>>>> PT JOU (because block is terrible).
While I am glad that this is getting discussion going and that Wizards has reversed their ruling, how many more threads are people going to make on this? We already have four threads discussing this.
While I am glad that this is getting discussion going and that Wizards has reversed their ruling, how many more threads are people going to make on this? We already have four threads discussing this.
Does this mean that if we cry and moan about it enough we'll get a legacy pro tour? Or will they just thumb their noses at us? I'm honestly happy that it isn't four standard pro tours, but I'm sad the format they brought back was the one I least wanted to see. I would be happier if it was block, hell even a sealed pro tour would be better then watching twin, pod, and affinity tear into each other for ten rounds. I understand that people like the format, but I don't, it's more stagnant then the current standard.
I used to play Modern almost exclusively (because Legacy events are rare where i live). I'm still not happy about the format.
While upset, I understood when they decided to cancel Modern PT. Its still a little boring for coverage. As the matches are played through the day, the number of similar decks starts getting out of hand.
Them cancelling the PT was kind of a terrible move in that it signalled lack of support. At the same time, the PT being back doesn't fix the format. Maybe they should spend some R&D resources developing for Modern in new sets? Even if they do, we'll only see the results in, what, two years?
Also, the lack of reprints is really surprising, imo. It blows my mind that MMA went over so well and there's still $250 goyfs and fetches that are more expensive than duals.
Standard isn't much better for the boringness and similar decks.
I honestly don't agree, guys. We have a lot of decks like you said, but mostly they suck!
Look, I love playing Tron, it's one of my favorite all time decks, but it honestly sucks! It's soooo dependent on the matchups and the sideboards! And you can replace Tron with almost every deck, except for Jund variations and Pod, and that is why most pros play that. In a format of decks that fall to sideboard pieces, the decks that don't are kings!
I have no problem with metagame formats. Sometimes I play Pokemon TCG and that's as "metagamy" as it gets. Every deck falls to something else, it's really an issue of choosing right. What I have a problem with is having such a format and then having decks that are not like that at all.
The latest Modern GP, GP Boston, was really fine in terms of how many different decks did well (Burn, Soul Sisters, Blue Tron, Infect, Scapeshift, Junk, The Rock, UWR Twin/Control, Twin, Living End, Melira Pod and a few others all did reasonably well), there's not much more you can ask for in terms of diversity for a non-rotating format.
You had Blue Moon, Amulet of Vigor and Ad Nauseum shake up the meta game this year aswell, so I really would't call Modern "stale", like Forsythe did - a non-rotating format will never change as drastically as a rotating format does after rotation, that just comes with the territory.
I do not agree with your metrics if you claim Burn, Soul Sisters, Blue Tron, Scapeshift, Living End did well. I also don't agree that The Rock and Junk are different decks or Twin variants, for that matter. I also have a real issue with Blue Moon, Amulet and Ad Nauseam having "shaken up" the meta. THEY CHANGED NOTHING! Maybe in LGS people started winning with them? Not even sure. They make almost no difference in PT environments going forward. Infect is the only real exception, imo. It's a good aggro deck that works really different from affinity. Best surprise of the last half year of jund and pod.
First, Burn, U-Tron, and Soul Sisters all had players that were 9-0 at the end of the first day of the last GP. Second, Blue Moon changed a lot. It got top 8 at PT BNG and at GP Boston as well as doing well in several events. Third, Standard isn't any better in terms of diversity.
@endgame1331: Nothing to date is more stagnant than watching legacy. This being said, magic is a little like watching professional sports. Everyone has their favorite team(s) and you get get to watch your favorite team do well. If your favortie team is *insert *****ty football team here*, you can still be a fan of the game but your favorite team never goes to the superbowl. The top teams in professional sports most often rise to the top with a few surprising upsets. Outside of magic we often find ourselves rooting for the underdog after our favorite team has been knocked out - I think the same kinds of things happen in magic. I don't know that watching the best sports teams always (often) winning counts as stagnation. It's not that "team X has won again, big shocker in this stale format called NFL/NBA", it's a little more like how they won, the plays that make the game great.
Watching 4 year olds playing soccer never gets stale. I love it when they score in their own net (assuming they don't get beat up later)! Cute as this may be, it's not what I'm looking for when I watch World cup with more enthusiasm. Sure we have a pretty good idea who is going to be in the finals already, but it's as much the upsets and heroic plays that make the game worth watching as much as the sleek moves of the finely tuned upper tiered (favored) teams.
Modern being removed from the pro-tour felt like a financial decision. My observations from these boards over the last year started with the most people viewing the standard threads followed by legacy, then modern, then vintage. Over time it seemed to be standard, then modern, then legacy, then vintage. I was concerned about the trend occuring when I most often saw the most viewers in the modern thread with standard following not that closely behind. This trend seemed concerning (im my mind) because it heralds the requisite loss/decrease of revenue from the standard arm of this game, along with the attendant increase in belly aching regarding the price of modern. Pushing/supporting modern too robustly would be an expensive mistake that would be too easy to make. Watching standards 2 - 4 decks duke it out week-in and week-out in addition to the PT 4 times/year is not the picture of witality/innovation.
Long live Modern, good riddance to Legacy, peace and prosperity to Standard.
Yeah, I think we have completely different mindsets when it comes to formats. Legacy is my favorite and you seem to hate it with a passion, so... good for you.
The most spectacular change within this modern season was people realizing blood moon is good. That's about it.
What I was marveling at though was the public outcry and it's response. It makes me think the legacy community should whine more, as people who love the format only get to play it at a professional level once or twice a year, and get to see what the pros do with the format once a twice a year. That is actually one of the reason's I like SCG as without it I could probably never watch my favorite format, and saying good riddance to something people love is quite frankly... annoying.
@endgame1331: I don't hate legacy with a passion. I have collected all the cards I want and more, but what use are these riches without people to play with. I can build any legacy deck without candelabras or Tabarnacle at pendrel vale but it's almost pointless to innovate new decks beyond the kitchen table with the legacy card pool. The top 8's are basically the same decks over and over again unless you are a real leagacy affectionado and can appreciate nuances that make dropping a FoW for a singleton misdirection a great game changing deck manipulation. When most of the top 8's have the same core of some combination of delvers, FoW, Daze, Brainstorm, and Stoneforge mystic, it's easy to seehow legacy has grinded down to a few good decks and a few lucky players getting into the top 8. These are not my sentiments alone:
Come and play magic's greatest format!! No we can't print new cards to support it. So we thought we would just put a lot of time and energy into letting 2 flavors of delver and a few iterations of SFM hack it out until there isn't a dual land left to be bought and let the floor fall out from under this project. Deck building is so streamlined and easy that you really only need to build a 45-50 card deck - as a bonus the rest of the deck just builds itself (we aren't reprinting those cards either).
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Really?! Modern May have 99 problems but a reserved list land base ain't one.
@endgame1331: Nothing to date is more stagnant than watching legacy.
Yeah, all of the what, 3 playable decks in Modern promote far greater diversity. Forgot about that.
Your post seems like an elaborate troll attempt, honestly. I don't see how a human being with a functioning brain could possibly label Modern as "less stale than Legacy."
This means players being encouraged to play a format with turn 0+1 wins and then quitting because that isn't fun. It's better for the long term health of the game this way.
Shows how much knowledge of legacy you have. Turn 1 wins are extremely rare in legacy.
And no Wizards does not run Pro Tours to sell cards , they do it to promote the game and in a result sell cards. Also the Pro Tour in specific is a promotion event to encourage players to go to GPs and PTQs not to sell Goblin Rabblemasters on the secondary market or anything like that.
The format hardly matters and it is not like Modern really features cards from standard rotation either.
Legacy on the other hand with DRS and TNN featuring 2 cards of their recent products.
He said turn 0/1.. which I would assume means on a person's first or second turn you can achieve a win... which IS common. For combo decks (storm, belcher, etc.) Combing off by your second turn (from my experience) is pretty normal. Anything later than that and you got a slow hand.
While I am glad they have listened to our feedback and responded fairly, it is still puzzling that they don't just do a mix of Standard and Modern with a smattering of Legacy or perhaps a few other "fringe" formats that they can try and mainstream. Nonetheless, very glad to see this.
Additionally, another GP following PT Huey will be changed from limited to modern.
Rejoice!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/modern-pro-tour-2015-2014-08-10
Modern players rejoice!
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
I wonder if they'll be doing moden dafts?
But seriously, I'm not even much of a tournament player, but I'm glad for everyone who plays in these.
That's what made PT BNG so interesting to me. You had individuals who put in hundreds of matches and hours with their decks able to showcase their mastery. Modern is a format that rewards players for their mastery of a deck. It's so much better than Standard to me where teams can afford to splurge on some pricy deck two nights before the tourney and win big if they pinpoint the meta effectively. It was so interesting seeing all the wacky decks and card interactions that we'd just never see in a Standard PT. For this season, I feel that it was PT Theros = PT BNG > PT M15 >>>>>> PT JOU (because block is terrible).
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
All the Pro Tours for next year are Standard/Daft
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/567321-all-the-pro-tours-for-next-year-are-standard-daft
No Modern Pro tour in 2015
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/567322-no-modern-pro-tour-in-2015
I just personally spoke with Aaron Forsythe, at Pro Tour Portland - Concerning the future of the Modern format
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/567422-i-just-personally-spoke-with-aaron-forsythe-at-pro
Pro Tour Schedule changed so that each one is now Standard.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/567378-pro-tour-schedule-changed-so-that-each-one-is-now
If this is a new info that doesn't match with the other 4 threads ( in 2015 all pro tuors will be standard/Draft) then it deceives a thread ...
They actualy changed one of the protuors that makes the other Thread at least not update soo yes this one is ok.
Standard isn't much better for the boringness and similar decks.
First, Burn, U-Tron, and Soul Sisters all had players that were 9-0 at the end of the first day of the last GP. Second, Blue Moon changed a lot. It got top 8 at PT BNG and at GP Boston as well as doing well in several events. Third, Standard isn't any better in terms of diversity.
Agreed. Modern wasn't stale when new sets like Innistrad, Avacyn Restored, and Return to Ravnica were coming out.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Watching 4 year olds playing soccer never gets stale. I love it when they score in their own net (assuming they don't get beat up later)! Cute as this may be, it's not what I'm looking for when I watch World cup with more enthusiasm. Sure we have a pretty good idea who is going to be in the finals already, but it's as much the upsets and heroic plays that make the game worth watching as much as the sleek moves of the finely tuned upper tiered (favored) teams.
Modern being removed from the pro-tour felt like a financial decision. My observations from these boards over the last year started with the most people viewing the standard threads followed by legacy, then modern, then vintage. Over time it seemed to be standard, then modern, then legacy, then vintage. I was concerned about the trend occuring when I most often saw the most viewers in the modern thread with standard following not that closely behind. This trend seemed concerning (im my mind) because it heralds the requisite loss/decrease of revenue from the standard arm of this game, along with the attendant increase in belly aching regarding the price of modern. Pushing/supporting modern too robustly would be an expensive mistake that would be too easy to make. Watching standards 2 - 4 decks duke it out week-in and week-out in addition to the PT 4 times/year is not the picture of witality/innovation.
Long live Modern, good riddance to Legacy, peace and prosperity to Standard.
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Modern:
Grishoalbrand / Grixis Death's Shadow / Jeskai Control / UW Control
The most spectacular change within this modern season was people realizing blood moon is good. That's about it.
What I was marveling at though was the public outcry and it's response. It makes me think the legacy community should whine more, as people who love the format only get to play it at a professional level once or twice a year, and get to see what the pros do with the format once a twice a year. That is actually one of the reason's I like SCG as without it I could probably never watch my favorite format, and saying good riddance to something people love is quite frankly... annoying.
Yet another unfounded legacy is dieing article...
Leaving legacy after years of innovating...
Legacy is fun for a little bit but modern has a world of possibilities yet to be discovered.
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Really?! Modern May have 99 problems but a reserved list land base ain't one.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Yeah, all of the what, 3 playable decks in Modern promote far greater diversity. Forgot about that.
Your post seems like an elaborate troll attempt, honestly. I don't see how a human being with a functioning brain could possibly label Modern as "less stale than Legacy."
He said turn 0/1.. which I would assume means on a person's first or second turn you can achieve a win... which IS common. For combo decks (storm, belcher, etc.) Combing off by your second turn (from my experience) is pretty normal. Anything later than that and you got a slow hand.
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