I'm glad WotC is listening to the players, and even admitting they're doing things solely because of player reaction. Good form.
I agree it's awesome that in less than a week we were able to get them to decided to change their decision. Now let's all get together and try this with a fetch land reprint in M16.
Maro stated on twitter that the decision to go back to a Modern Pro Tour in Feb. 2015 was entirely based on fan reactions to the original announcement. Then he said: "We are listening."
I don't usually try to harp on Wizards, but this seems more like they are trying to claim credit for listening to customers instead of admitting that they dropped the ball in being out of touch with their customer base. It could be both, but feels more like the latter. If they had any clue that customers would dislike all Standard Pro Tours, why would they still take that route?
I'd hate to be the WOTC employee who advocated for all Standard PT's right now. Even worse if it was a unanimous decision because then that means the whole company has no clue what we really want/like. It's one thing to make a change knowing that some customers will disapprove (which happens with every change WOTC does regardless), but it's another thing to be totally surprised when customers come out so strongly against a change that was proposed with so much confidence.
What, they should have stayed the course rather than listen to what an overwhelming majority of their player base demanded?
Yeahokaythere.
My point isn't that changing their minds was a bad thing (because we all agree that the change was needed) - it's that the change was needed due to their apparent misjudgment in the first place.
It's excusable to make mistakes. Maybe I just expected more from them on this case. Glad they fixed it though, it takes a lot for a company to respond that quickly.
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
I'm glad WotC is listening to the players, and even admitting they're doing things solely because of player reaction. Good form.
I agree it's awesome that in less than a week we were able to get them to decided to change their decision. Now let's all get together and try this with a fetch land reprint in M16.
agreed, altho why wait till m16
Because they probably have already printed Khans and they aren't going to be able to fit a 10-card land cycle into just 2 sets.
I agree with your final statement, I personally have never met a person whom only collects, and only cares about the value of said collection.
That's because these kind of collectors tend to not actually play the game, and aren't often found hanging around the local LGS. There are a few guys at the store I used to frequent who stop by to pick up singles and show off their binders to anyone who will look, but those characters are few and far between. Serious Collectors like that view their cards as an investment. They're usually in a safe or a safety deposit box somewhere.
Please do not confuse "not playing the game at a LGS" with not playing the game. I know plenty of people how have large collections and do not play at LGS. I know that's not statistically significant. If you have actual data I would be very interested in seeing it.
Also, you may be confusing cause and effect as to the safe deposit box. I've added some promos to my safe deposit box because they are valuable. I did not buy them because they were valuable, I bought them because they were a promo I did not have. It doesn't matter what price it is now (assuming I could afford it at some point. That FoW is going to haunt me). I'm sure other people collect for different reasons. For example, I can't imagine wanting to show off my collection.
Just my 2 cents.
I wasn't speaking for all collectors, I was just offering a possible reason why Orzhozzit has never met a pure collector who also doesn't play the game, since most social, paper magic occurs in LGS's. I also wasn't implying that all Magic fans with cards in safety deposit boxes are pure collectors that don't play the game, but rather that pure collectors who see magic cards as an investment and nothing more are likely to keep their collection in a safe location, far away from a situation in which orzhozzit, or any of us, might see it or them.
Maro stated on twitter that the decision to go back to a Modern Pro Tour in Feb. 2015 was entirely based on fan reactions to the original announcement. Then he said: "We are listening."
I don't usually try to harp on Wizards, but this seems more like they are trying to claim credit for listening to customers instead of admitting that they dropped the ball in being out of touch with their customer base. It could be both, but feels more like the latter. If they had any clue that customers would dislike all Standard Pro Tours, why would they still take that route?
I'd hate to be the WOTC employee who advocated for all Standard PT's right now. Even worse if it was a unanimous decision because then that means the whole company has no clue what we really want/like. It's one thing to make a change knowing that some customers will disapprove (which happens with every change WOTC does regardless), but it's another thing to be totally surprised when customers come out so strongly against a change that was proposed with so much confidence.
Judging by how quickly the PT line-up was changed, I feel WotC were testing waters. They made next year All-Standard knowing that they would get a reaction from the players, either positive (Yay! Modern's gone!) or negative (Boo! Where's Modern!?).
Give it a few years and think about how much the mana base is going to cost if they haven't reprinted fetches, and shocks again. How much were shocks running before RtR? You could end up with 8 cards in the mana base alone costing around $600.
Honestly I'm not going to hold my breath for reprints, I think they're going to use the cost of lands as a means of regulating moderns growth.
There are good sides and bad sides to both formats man. Modern costs a lot to enter, but your investment is pretty sound, standard doesn't cost a lot to enter, but you're going to lose the majority of your investment once rotation hits.
Personally I like the idea of investing more and keeping value. Plus I hate how small standards card pool is.
Honestly I'm not going to hold my breath for reprints, I think they're going to use the cost of lands as a means of regulating moderns growth.
Think about what you just said. Why would Wizards want to regulate Modern? They want the format to grow and become more accessible. That, coupled with the fact that Aaron Forsythe specifically told us that fetch lands are eventually coming back, means you're just making wild statements based on nothing.
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
I'm not saying that they don't want the format to stick around and grow, I think they do. Long term it's a good investment.
I also think that keeping standard as "The" format is necessary though, standard is where their money is, it's also how they keep the game healthy.
Modern will make money for Wizards it just wont make as much as Standard, and it wont be as reliable. They make a crappy set in standard and it will still sell, because if you want to play standard you have to buy the packs. Modern doesn't have to do that.
You can't regulate powercreep in modern, in a set made for modern, and still expect to sell packs. That has to be done through standard, and you can't make a set designed to slow powercreep in standard and expect to still make money if too many people have shifted to modern. (Theros was a fluke)
You misunderstood what I meant about the lands. I think they are going to leave decent gaps between reprints of the staple lands to keep the prices high while still keeping the prices from getting ridiculously out of hand (Underground Sea level), I also think they're going to keep them in standard sets, to help force modern players to purchase packs.
Maro stated on twitter that the decision to go back to a Modern Pro Tour in Feb. 2015 was entirely based on fan reactions to the original announcement. Then he said: "We are listening."
I don't usually try to harp on Wizards, but this seems more like they are trying to claim credit for listening to customers instead of admitting that they dropped the ball in being out of touch with their customer base.
I don't think it was an attempt to take credit for being in touch with the customers, I think it was more to validate the customer's overwhelming rejection, so that the player base knows that bad decisions by WotC can be reversed by popular opinion.
I'm pretty sure Wizards would rather people be spending money on new cards that they're selling rather than old, out of print stuff that needs to be bought by other players.
They're probably none to thrilled with the absurd power level in older formats either.
Honestly, I have trouble understanding why there's so much appeal in a format that's inaccessible, overpowered, and expensive, not to mention only getting a few new playable cards each year. But I suppose there's appeal in the sheer card choice and Johnny possibilities. I'm just not a big fan of the "race to the combo/kill" style of Magic. I love me some low power levels.
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agreed, altho why wait till m16
It's excusable to make mistakes. Maybe I just expected more from them on this case. Glad they fixed it though, it takes a lot for a company to respond that quickly.
Because they probably have already printed Khans and they aren't going to be able to fit a 10-card land cycle into just 2 sets.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I wasn't speaking for all collectors, I was just offering a possible reason why Orzhozzit has never met a pure collector who also doesn't play the game, since most social, paper magic occurs in LGS's. I also wasn't implying that all Magic fans with cards in safety deposit boxes are pure collectors that don't play the game, but rather that pure collectors who see magic cards as an investment and nothing more are likely to keep their collection in a safe location, far away from a situation in which orzhozzit, or any of us, might see it or them.
Honestly I'm not going to hold my breath for reprints, I think they're going to use the cost of lands as a means of regulating moderns growth.
Personally I like the idea of investing more and keeping value. Plus I hate how small standards card pool is.
I also think that keeping standard as "The" format is necessary though, standard is where their money is, it's also how they keep the game healthy.
Modern will make money for Wizards it just wont make as much as Standard, and it wont be as reliable. They make a crappy set in standard and it will still sell, because if you want to play standard you have to buy the packs. Modern doesn't have to do that.
You can't regulate powercreep in modern, in a set made for modern, and still expect to sell packs. That has to be done through standard, and you can't make a set designed to slow powercreep in standard and expect to still make money if too many people have shifted to modern. (Theros was a fluke)
You misunderstood what I meant about the lands. I think they are going to leave decent gaps between reprints of the staple lands to keep the prices high while still keeping the prices from getting ridiculously out of hand (Underground Sea level), I also think they're going to keep them in standard sets, to help force modern players to purchase packs.
This is "my" thought on things. I could be wrong.
I don't think it was an attempt to take credit for being in touch with the customers, I think it was more to validate the customer's overwhelming rejection, so that the player base knows that bad decisions by WotC can be reversed by popular opinion.
They're probably none to thrilled with the absurd power level in older formats either.
Honestly, I have trouble understanding why there's so much appeal in a format that's inaccessible, overpowered, and expensive, not to mention only getting a few new playable cards each year. But I suppose there's appeal in the sheer card choice and Johnny possibilities. I'm just not a big fan of the "race to the combo/kill" style of Magic. I love me some low power levels.