Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1. Black players complaining about no low cost removal with thoughtseize and Hero's Downfall running around is funny , and don't tell me thoughtsieze isn't removal.
2. Polymorphist Jest is now the bane of my existence and the most Overpowered card in the set.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who practically vomited in my mouth when I saw the spoiler. Does anyone else remember when bolt was printed in core??? Twice??? How has this game gotten so terrible so fast?
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
man back to nature is one card that you will see in sideboards .... 1+ hosers don t make the cards the hoser trash. see sphinx's reelation as a resent exemple of that...
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
man back to nature is one card that you will see in sideboards .... 1+ hosers don t make the cards the hoser trash. see sphinx's reelation as a resent exemple of that...
It still feels unecessary since enchantment based strategy is already kinda weak :/ I guess it's nice with all the banishing lights and chained to the rocks running around, but I think given the costing of theros block enchantments they coulda bumped this to four to keep it fair. It just does the job abnormally efficiently for the block.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Same here. Not only that, but they print artifact support that practically already outclasses any enchantment support we got out of all of Theros block. It's like Wizards wants enchantments to be bad forever. It's almost a joke how bad enchantments are when compared to artifacts. So Wizards finally has a chance to bridge the gap a bit. And what do they do? They jack around for an entire block. Seriously, for every set that came out this past year I was hoping for some competitive enchantment support. Instead we got some over-hyped EDH generals. When they hailed Constellation as the competitive enchantment support everyone was waiting for I was happy. Then the set got spoiled and it was clear they watered down the mechanic like none other. So M15 comes along and what do they do? "Oh man, we didn't do a good enough job making sure Theros block enchantments will never leave the shoebox. Better print some enchantment hate!"
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Same here. Not only that, but they print artifact support that practically already outclasses any enchantment support we got out of all of Theros block. It's like Wizards wants enchantments to be bad forever. It's almost a joke how bad enchantments are when compared to artifacts. So Wizards finally has a chance to bridge the gap a bit. And what do they do? They jack around for an entire block. Seriously, for every set that came out this past year I was hoping for some competitive enchantment support. Instead we got some over-hyped EDH generals. When they hailed Constellation as the competitive enchantment support everyone was waiting for I was happy. Then the set got spoiled and it was clear they watered down the mechanic like none other. So M15 comes along and what do they do? "Oh man, we didn't do a good enough job making sure Theros block enchantments will never leave the shoebox. Better print some enchantment hate!"
I think they REALLY expected constellation creatures like eidolon of blossoms to be a lot more degenerate than they were. They probably originally had her at 3, jacked up the cost to 4, but the hate was already planned for m15 and they just didn't change it. At least that's the only explanation I can think of other than them just saying screw enchantments.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
They printed an awful lot of hate during Innistrad against graveyard shenanigans and them printing hate for the last block isn't all that surprising. It has been that way since Kamigawa printing hate against Mirrodin, and more specifically Affinity.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
They printed an awful lot of hate during Innistrad against graveyard shenanigans and them printing hate for the last block isn't all that surprising. It has been that way since Kamigawa printing hate against Mirrodin, and more specifically Affinity.
Difference is those WERE strong strategies well represented in the standard. This isn't hence my objections.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
man back to nature is one card that you will see in sideboards .... 1+ hosers don t make the cards the hoser trash. see sphinx's reelation as a resent exemple of that...
This set has three hosers for Constellation. One green, one white, and one colorless, and all three are really damn brutal. It's disgusting, especially since B/G Constellation isn't anywhere near as strong as W/U Control (and variants) and Mono-Black Devotion.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
They printed an awful lot of hate during Innistrad against graveyard shenanigans and them printing hate for the last block isn't all that surprising. It has been that way since Kamigawa printing hate against Mirrodin, and more specifically Affinity.
Difference is those WERE strong strategies well represented in the standard. This isn't hence my objections.
Yeah I mean Junk Rites was one of the top decks last season even with brutal graveyard hate in form of Rest in Peace.
I dont follow Standard that much anymore but Constellation looks barely playable and now can get completely blown up.
It's the same thing with the gods and Deicide.
Hosers are ok to have but Wizards plays it a bit too safe these days. Gods and Constellation are not exactly powerhouses.
1. Black players complaining about no low cost removal with thoughtseize and Hero's Downfall running around is funny , and don't tell me thoughtsieze isn't removal.
Thoughtseize isn't removal. Unlike actual removal, it only costs your opponent a card. Removal costs your opponent a card and the mana that they spent to cast the card. And Hero's Downfall is just 1 card. Tarkir better have removal in it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who practically vomited in my mouth when I saw the spoiler. Does anyone else remember when bolt was printed in core??? Twice??? How has this game gotten so terrible so fast?
Agreed. I understand that they needed to stop power creep, but they didn't need to bring it down to Kamigawa levels. I fear that it will be many years before the power-level becomes high again.
Blue and Green seem absolutely interesting and very strong together. I'll go blue at the PR, hoping for a decent UG pool. The tempo cards in blue are numerous, and green packs some heavy punch.
Yeah I mean Junk Rites was one of the top decks last season even with brutal graveyard hate in form of Rest in Peace.
I dont follow Standard that much anymore but Constellation looks barely playable and now can get completely blown up.
It's the same thing with the gods and Deicide.
Hosers are ok to have but Wizards plays it a bit too safe these days. Gods and Constellation are not exactly powerhouses.
Exactly. The three hoser cards essentially prevent B/G Constellation from doing anything. One hoses the Constellation ability, one hoses the enchantments that feed Constellation, and one hoses the graveyard that Constellation thrives on. It's literally Wizards swinging a huge wrecking ball at a deck that isn't even that strong. I'd argue this is the strongest hosing of a deck I've ever seen in a single set, and it's not even top tier.
Okay I was alright with this set UNTIL THEY PRINTED BACK TO NATURE. Just WHY. Constellation is literally the only interesting build around to come from the entire theros block, and they decide to print a 2 mana hoser for it. Sometimes I truly don't understand wizards thought process.
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
They printed an awful lot of hate during Innistrad against graveyard shenanigans and them printing hate for the last block isn't all that surprising. It has been that way since Kamigawa printing hate against Mirrodin, and more specifically Affinity.
Difference is those WERE strong strategies well represented in the standard. This isn't hence my objections.
I will admit that their hate seems misplaced, but it shouldn't be surprising. Remember that right now current Constelation strategies may not be the greatest right now, rotation may change that, but if it stays around the same area it is now than most won't be using enchantment hate and then it won't matter anyways.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
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Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
Just noticed this card, I was going to dismiss it as another lame token producer till I read the "each upkeep" clause in the text which allows thw player to produce token each upkeep. With pain lands and mana confluence in standard this is easily a fun card to play with.
#1 - What's the dumbest idea you ever had?
#2 - 15/15 for 15?
#1 - Make it dumber
#2 - Give it protection from removal and counter?
#1 - DUMBER!
#2 - Add Timewalk?
#1 - DAMN IT MAN, I SAID DUMB!! DUMB !!!
#2 - It destroys everything when it attacks.... And wait, I have a friend who plays mill decks... I want to beat him too.
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Just noticed this card, I was going to dismiss it as another lame token producer till I read the "each upkeep" clause in the text which allows thw player to produce token each upkeep. With pain lands and mana confluence in standard this is easily a fun card to play with.
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Deathtouch sliver is interesting. But eh. This set might as well be "random reprints of cards that you forgot about." Nothing really that great. I like that lightning bolt that doesn't target players in black that loses 3 life, that's insanely powerful removal.
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This has happened to me a few times as well. The entire quote/reply system is awful, however when there's a bunch of embedded quotes in a multiquote reply it can take a while to figure out where the breaks are to remove what you want to remove. I still miss the old boards and feel like our better bandwith came at the cost of quality, but they did a great job improving things from where they were during beta at least. Dark skin 4lyfe!
1. Black players complaining about no low cost removal with thoughtseize and Hero's Downfall running around is funny , and don't tell me thoughtsieze isn't removal.
2. Polymorphist Jest is now the bane of my existence and the most Overpowered card in the set.
Not even going to touch #2 (I mean, who really wants that on their hands?), but your first point is silly. Thoughtseize is not removal even when it takes a creature as it does absolutely nothing against the thing on the table beating your brains in (and for a variety of other reasons). Also, once rotation happens our only playable removal spells are going to be Hero's Downfall, Silence the Believers and Ulcerate, with Drown in Sorrows, Feast of Dreams and Dark Betrayal as meta possible sideboard cards plus whatever they decide to print in Khans. No 2 mana removal spell and no wrath effect under 6 mana is not my idea of a good time. I remember a time previously when 3 mana was the starting point for good removal, but creatures were not nearly as strong as they are now, and Wrath of God was around to pick up the pieces and keep what aggro did exist in line somewhat.
Don't you mean vampire angel? The +1/+1 is a classic Sengir Vampire ability.
Lots of blood imagery, but vampires aren't usually depicted as ripping the entrails out of their victims as seems to be the case here. Sunken eyes are also not usually a vampire thing, but It doesn't quite strike me as zombie either. Makes me think of the various movies (and now TV show) that make angels out to be bad guys that hate or are jealous of humans for some reason, but taken to the extreme.
So, now that we have it all, this set is a huge disappointment. There are certainly cards to love here, Runs with Scissors, Sea Drake Re-Revisited, Darksteel Citadel, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and GTFO-Stone among them. As a harbinger of what is to come however, I feel like Khans is going to have an awful lot of work to do to deliver us from the current misery that standard has become, so the missing slots are all going to need to be of a certain level to make people happy, and that eats up a lot of space that I for one would rather see go with the core set. Core was traditionally used to set the tone of standard, and while I get that moving these lynchpin pieces to block will make block constructed more interesting and make it feel more like standard, if they are doing that then what is the point of core anymore?
As others have said, we are missing quite a lot of what people have come to expect from their standard environment, and if it's not in Khans, people are going to be disappointed. Also- +1 for Sliver Hive and Sliver Hivelord arts, but damn, the uncommon sliver arts make me want to vomit my morning coffee all over whoever decided to move the art in that direction in the first place (seriously, how did that slide not only once, but twice!).
I think people are blowing the hate cards out of proportion. The last 3 times they have built around a specific mechanic, they have printed a little hate just to make sure that the deck isn't unbeatable. Back to Nature is a great reprint because it isn't a card you would mainboard, and it is only really effective if you aren't running enchantments. Considering the majority of the cards in standard will be from Theros block come rotation, there won't be many if any decks running few enchanments. The only deck that I can imagine playing this card is RG Monsters. Every other deck will probably be playing a healthy amount of enchantments; so unless you feel like playing a card that blows you out, this will only see play if constellation decks are a problem, and it will probably never see mainboard play. I would hate the environment more if constellation decks took over and this card was not in the meta.
I agree that Hushwing Gryff is a little annoying, because it is more maindeckable, but your opponent will have to build their deck to not get hurt by the ability, meaning that it constricts deck options. With the non-constellation ETB effects right now in standard, that might not matter currently. But who knows what Khans will bring.
On the set itself, I'm a fan. I don't like the minimal amounts of removal, but it has more interaction than Avacyn Restored so it won't be terrible. I think they have created an interesting environment for limited, and there are plenty of cards to be excited about for multiple formats. Overall, I would give it a B+.
I think people are blowing the hate cards out of proportion. The last 3 times they have built around a specific mechanic, they have printed a little hate just to make sure that the deck isn't unbeatable. Back to Nature is a great reprint because it isn't a card you would mainboard, and it is only really effective if you aren't running enchantments. Considering the majority of the cards in standard will be from Theros block come rotation, there won't be many if any decks running few enchanments. The only deck that I can imagine playing this card is RG Monsters. Every other deck will probably be playing a healthy amount of enchantments; so unless you feel like playing a card that blows you out, this will only see play if constellation decks are a problem, and it will probably never see mainboard play. I would hate the environment more if constellation decks took over and this card was not in the meta.
I agree that Hushwing Gryff is a little annoying, because it is more maindeckable, but your opponent will have to build their deck to not get hurt by the ability, meaning that it constricts deck options. With the non-constellation ETB effects right now in standard, that might not matter currently. But who knows what Khans will bring.
On the set itself, I'm a fan. I don't like the minimal amounts of removal, but it has more interaction than Avacyn Restored so it won't be terrible. I think they have created an interesting environment for limited, and there are plenty of cards to be excited about for multiple formats. Overall, I would give it a B+.
Encahntments aren't even played heavily in Theros block (you know, what the next standard will be built around), so Back to Nature serves no purpose other than remind everyone how Wizards over-reacted to their own set. I will say that it doesn't ruin M15 for me (just ruins Theros even more for me). My main dislike is how black seems to not have any clear focus and lacks any decent removal. I still think M15 is a decent core-set and has enough flavor and interesting rares and uncommons to be better than M14 and M13(although I did like the M4 limited).
Also I agree that there should have been SOME removal printed here, but hopefully khans picks up that slack. Bleh I guess all my faiths in khans anyway, this past year of standard has just left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1. Black players complaining about no low cost removal with thoughtseize and Hero's Downfall running around is funny , and don't tell me thoughtsieze isn't removal.
2. Polymorphist Jest is now the bane of my existence and the most Overpowered card in the set.
man back to nature is one card that you will see in sideboards .... 1+ hosers don t make the cards the hoser trash. see sphinx's reelation as a resent exemple of that...
It still feels unecessary since enchantment based strategy is already kinda weak :/ I guess it's nice with all the banishing lights and chained to the rocks running around, but I think given the costing of theros block enchantments they coulda bumped this to four to keep it fair. It just does the job abnormally efficiently for the block.
Same here. Not only that, but they print artifact support that practically already outclasses any enchantment support we got out of all of Theros block. It's like Wizards wants enchantments to be bad forever. It's almost a joke how bad enchantments are when compared to artifacts. So Wizards finally has a chance to bridge the gap a bit. And what do they do? They jack around for an entire block. Seriously, for every set that came out this past year I was hoping for some competitive enchantment support. Instead we got some over-hyped EDH generals. When they hailed Constellation as the competitive enchantment support everyone was waiting for I was happy. Then the set got spoiled and it was clear they watered down the mechanic like none other. So M15 comes along and what do they do? "Oh man, we didn't do a good enough job making sure Theros block enchantments will never leave the shoebox. Better print some enchantment hate!"
I think they REALLY expected constellation creatures like eidolon of blossoms to be a lot more degenerate than they were. They probably originally had her at 3, jacked up the cost to 4, but the hate was already planned for m15 and they just didn't change it. At least that's the only explanation I can think of other than them just saying screw enchantments.
They printed an awful lot of hate during Innistrad against graveyard shenanigans and them printing hate for the last block isn't all that surprising. It has been that way since Kamigawa printing hate against Mirrodin, and more specifically Affinity.
Difference is those WERE strong strategies well represented in the standard. This isn't hence my objections.
This set has three hosers for Constellation. One green, one white, and one colorless, and all three are really damn brutal. It's disgusting, especially since B/G Constellation isn't anywhere near as strong as W/U Control (and variants) and Mono-Black Devotion.
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Yeah I mean Junk Rites was one of the top decks last season even with brutal graveyard hate in form of Rest in Peace.
I dont follow Standard that much anymore but Constellation looks barely playable and now can get completely blown up.
It's the same thing with the gods and Deicide.
Hosers are ok to have but Wizards plays it a bit too safe these days. Gods and Constellation are not exactly powerhouses.
Thoughtseize isn't removal. Unlike actual removal, it only costs your opponent a card. Removal costs your opponent a card and the mana that they spent to cast the card. And Hero's Downfall is just 1 card. Tarkir better have removal in it.
Agreed. I understand that they needed to stop power creep, but they didn't need to bring it down to Kamigawa levels. I fear that it will be many years before the power-level becomes high again.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Exactly. The three hoser cards essentially prevent B/G Constellation from doing anything. One hoses the Constellation ability, one hoses the enchantments that feed Constellation, and one hoses the graveyard that Constellation thrives on. It's literally Wizards swinging a huge wrecking ball at a deck that isn't even that strong. I'd argue this is the strongest hosing of a deck I've ever seen in a single set, and it's not even top tier.
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I will admit that their hate seems misplaced, but it shouldn't be surprising. Remember that right now current Constelation strategies may not be the greatest right now, rotation may change that, but if it stays around the same area it is now than most won't be using enchantment hate and then it won't matter anyways.
Don't you mean vampire angel? The +1/+1 is a classic Sengir Vampire ability.
I know there are supposed to be there for limited, but they could have reprinted older cards.
To be honest though I like m15. I'm expecting some cheep removal in black in KTK. Are they expecting to Hero's Downfall walls of fire!
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This has happened to me a few times as well. The entire quote/reply system is awful, however when there's a bunch of embedded quotes in a multiquote reply it can take a while to figure out where the breaks are to remove what you want to remove. I still miss the old boards and feel like our better bandwith came at the cost of quality, but they did a great job improving things from where they were during beta at least. Dark skin 4lyfe!
Not even going to touch #2 (I mean, who really wants that on their hands?), but your first point is silly. Thoughtseize is not removal even when it takes a creature as it does absolutely nothing against the thing on the table beating your brains in (and for a variety of other reasons). Also, once rotation happens our only playable removal spells are going to be Hero's Downfall, Silence the Believers and Ulcerate, with Drown in Sorrows, Feast of Dreams and Dark Betrayal as meta possible sideboard cards plus whatever they decide to print in Khans. No 2 mana removal spell and no wrath effect under 6 mana is not my idea of a good time. I remember a time previously when 3 mana was the starting point for good removal, but creatures were not nearly as strong as they are now, and Wrath of God was around to pick up the pieces and keep what aggro did exist in line somewhat.
Lots of blood imagery, but vampires aren't usually depicted as ripping the entrails out of their victims as seems to be the case here. Sunken eyes are also not usually a vampire thing, but It doesn't quite strike me as zombie either. Makes me think of the various movies (and now TV show) that make angels out to be bad guys that hate or are jealous of humans for some reason, but taken to the extreme.
So, now that we have it all, this set is a huge disappointment. There are certainly cards to love here, Runs with Scissors, Sea Drake Re-Revisited, Darksteel Citadel, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and GTFO-Stone among them. As a harbinger of what is to come however, I feel like Khans is going to have an awful lot of work to do to deliver us from the current misery that standard has become, so the missing slots are all going to need to be of a certain level to make people happy, and that eats up a lot of space that I for one would rather see go with the core set. Core was traditionally used to set the tone of standard, and while I get that moving these lynchpin pieces to block will make block constructed more interesting and make it feel more like standard, if they are doing that then what is the point of core anymore?
As others have said, we are missing quite a lot of what people have come to expect from their standard environment, and if it's not in Khans, people are going to be disappointed. Also- +1 for Sliver Hive and Sliver Hivelord arts, but damn, the uncommon sliver arts make me want to vomit my morning coffee all over whoever decided to move the art in that direction in the first place (seriously, how did that slide not only once, but twice!).
I agree that Hushwing Gryff is a little annoying, because it is more maindeckable, but your opponent will have to build their deck to not get hurt by the ability, meaning that it constricts deck options. With the non-constellation ETB effects right now in standard, that might not matter currently. But who knows what Khans will bring.
On the set itself, I'm a fan. I don't like the minimal amounts of removal, but it has more interaction than Avacyn Restored so it won't be terrible. I think they have created an interesting environment for limited, and there are plenty of cards to be excited about for multiple formats. Overall, I would give it a B+.
Encahntments aren't even played heavily in Theros block (you know, what the next standard will be built around), so Back to Nature serves no purpose other than remind everyone how Wizards over-reacted to their own set. I will say that it doesn't ruin M15 for me (just ruins Theros even more for me). My main dislike is how black seems to not have any clear focus and lacks any decent removal. I still think M15 is a decent core-set and has enough flavor and interesting rares and uncommons to be better than M14 and M13(although I did like the M4 limited).
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