If multiple activations of The Chain Veil don't stack, it was a pretty big troll move on WotC's part to spoil it alongside Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient, a card that can copy its ability.
Copying an ability doesn't have anything to do with Chain Veil stacks. You still get your copy. But whether it does anything... Not that I care anyways. lol
But that doesn't change the fact that Wizards trolled us with a jank of mythic. What makes it worse is the amount of debate on a trashy card.
For each planeswalker you control,
(this ability (the chain veil's ability) will kind of create a copy of the next ability(after the ,) on the stack for each planeswalker you control.)
you may activate one of its loyalty abilities
You may activate the ability while the chain veil's ability is on the stack.
once this turn
soo that you don't activate the abilities to infinitum... oo
as though none of its loyalty abilities had been activated this turn.
to get over the rule
606.3. A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn, but only if no player has previously activated a loyalty ability of that permanent that turn. #
there we go
say your counter prouf trying to ilude people and making me wrong
but this is how the ability works.
I'm not going to bother arguing about this since you obviously convinced yourself you're right. I just can't wait to say I told you so when there's an official ruling (although a level 3 judge already contradicted you on this).
man i may be wrong but i will need more than "you are wrong" or "this don't work" as a prouf if for you this is ok then ok ...
if he says or FAC says it then i will say " sorry watersi... you where right " but other wize i only saw a person named ActualJudge that was going mostly with gramar and less with actual rullings...
There is a Riki quote in the thread as well, but he confirmed that he made a mistake and that untapping the Chain Veil does work. The mistake people are making is that they assume Chain Veil works without the "once per turn" restriction when that restriction stops you from activating a 0 or + ability an arbitrary number of times in one turn.
I like this card and I'm pretty sure that it is not that bad. When drawback starts killing you, you are already dead - having zero planeswalkers on board in superfriend deck is not exactly a good spot. Making Ajani's -2 into -1 is very good, but even outside of this MCL scenario Veil is useful.
Also, the guy who responded with wall of text to five-word accusation of theft is funny.
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Wizards can start putting booster packs inside dog poo and dog owners will still complain.
The way I see it, the chain veil creates a continuous effect that allows your planeswalkers to use their abilities as if they hadn't 1 time. However they still have the effect afterwards, thus activating it again would do nothing for the planeswalker, the same as copying it.
From the upcoming M15 Release Notes: Each additional time The Chain Veil’s last ability resolves will allow you to activate a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control an additional time. For example, if you activate The Chain Veil’s last ability, untap it, then activate it again, you can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control three times that turn.
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Well, most people didn't understand the reason for the 'this turn' phrase was to allow proper timing for the abilities, so they read 'once this turn' to mean something completely different. And 'once' by itself is pretty rare. There are other ways this could have been worded, so people expected it to follow those wordings to fit more uniformly with precedence. The fact that it uses different terminology itself suggests a different effect, so I'm not really surprised over the confusion.
Ok here the question. what if you flicker or play another Chain Veil and use it again. it counts as a different activation from a different source. would that work?
I'm not getting the whole power for payment flavor from Chain Veil that I expected... the card is only good in EDH (which it is admittedly very good in). The ogre is a wonderful combolicious general.
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
Copying an ability doesn't have anything to do with Chain Veil stacks. You still get your copy. But whether it does anything... Not that I care anyways. lol
But that doesn't change the fact that Wizards trolled us with a jank of mythic. What makes it worse is the amount of debate on a trashy card.
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There is a Riki quote in the thread as well, but he confirmed that he made a mistake and that untapping the Chain Veil does work. The mistake people are making is that they assume Chain Veil works without the "once per turn" restriction when that restriction stops you from activating a 0 or + ability an arbitrary number of times in one turn.
Also, the guy who responded with wall of text to five-word accusation of theft is funny.
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The way I see it, the chain veil creates a continuous effect that allows your planeswalkers to use their abilities as if they hadn't 1 time. However they still have the effect afterwards, thus activating it again would do nothing for the planeswalker, the same as copying it.
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Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker R -- Maga, Traitor to Mortals B -- Ghave, Guru of Spores BGW -- Sliver Hivelord WUBRG
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1) OMG BROKEN, bann itttz!!
2) Oh.. it's ok, forgot to read that. ... I didn't understand this...
3) It's going to xxx in EDH!!
4) Ok, nevermind, I might sideboard it..
and finally the truth. Bulk Rare.
Veil = Bulk Rare, save ya some time fellas.
It certainly won't be a bulk rare because this will be huge for the casual players at the least.
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
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