What you'll need to do is first tap enough mana so that you have 1 more than what you need for the first creature, then click the card, then pay for it until the 2 colorless is left and you need 1 more colorless, then click that. You should be left with one hastey colorless to start casting the 2nd creature.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
Seems simple enough to me, if you tap a Generator Servant for 2 colorless and spend one of it on a Goblin Piker, that mana was spent on a creature spell,and said goblin piker gains haste until end of turn. If you then spent the other colorless on a Coral Merfolk then that mana was spent on a creature spell, and said coral merfolk gains haste until end of turn as well. There is no need to invoke plurals to indicate that it can be used on multiple creatures, and the wording you have with plurals would actually require you to split the mana up and cast more than one creature spell with it for any creature to gain haste.
As I see it there are two possibilities - either you only get haste if *all* of the two mana is spent on the creature (meaning you can't give haste to something that costs 1RR at all), or you get haste if *any* of the two mana is spent on the creature.
I kind of read it as if the mana this card produced is used on a creature, but i can see the alternative that this mana (plural) has to be used. Wow thats odd.
I suppose it was only a matter of time before they made an indestructible Sliver. Since all Slivers have tribal effects, a true Sliver lord needs to do something really interesting or unique to stand out. Sliver Overlord is totally out of left field, and Sliver Queen has a simple effect whose implications are radically different when she's surrounded by her children.
It seems like the driving force behind this card wasn't to make a cool new Sliver lord, but to get the word indestructible onto a Sliver.
As I see it there are two possibilities - either you only get haste if *all* of the two mana is spent on the creature (meaning you can't give haste to something that costs 1RR at all), or you get haste if *any* of the two mana is spent on the creature.
I kind of read it as if the mana this card produced is used on a creature, but i can see the alternative that this mana (plural) has to be used. Wow thats odd.
Yeah the wording is ambiguous and I'm surprised the 'creature spell gains haste' was not picked up by their templating team.
Nothing to do but wait on a formal ruling (and to see if there are Oracle changes behind that 'creature spell gains haste' or if it is just a typo). At least with the latter the intent is obvious.
New Sliver lord is garbage in EDH, very disappointed.. could have at least had a second ability.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
The 5-color legendary creature that gives indestructible to all of your creaturesslivers isn't mythic? What do you think IS mythic?
I'd say a legendary 8/8 flyer that makes all of your creaturespermanents indestructible is mythic.
What you'll need to do is first tap enough mana so that you have 1 more than what you need for the first creature, then click the card, then pay for it until the 2 colorless is left and you need 1 more colorless, then click that. You should be left with one hastey colorless to start casting the 2nd creature.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
Seems simple enough to me, if you tap a Generator Servant for 2 colorless and spend one of it on a Goblin Piker, that mana was spent on a creature spell,and said goblin piker gains haste until end of turn. If you then spent the other colorless on a Coral Merfolk then that mana was spent on a creature spell, and said coral merfolk gains haste until end of turn as well. There is no need to invoke plurals to indicate that it can be used on multiple creatures, and the wording you have with plurals would actually require you to split the mana up and cast more than one creature spell with it for any creature to gain haste.
When it says "If that mana is spent on a creature spell", the word "that" is referring to 2. Not to either mana. it further says "that" mana (meaning 2) needs to be spent on "a" creature "spell", singular, not plural.
The card is written badly regardless of their meaning. Everyone will probably assume up to 2, and thats probably what they intended. (I hope)
It's also kind of funny that the five uncommon Slivers were designed to be useful on their own, but the Hivelord was nerfed because it was getting played in non-Sliver decks.
Sliver Hivelord is a very juicy casual format card and a card that EDH slivers has been dying for. That said I'm not sure that I'd choose to run it over Sliver Overlord as a commander since Overlord can just tutor for it (or any other sliver you want/need) Given the high "Miss" ratio with the other mythics in the set (the Souls are mediocre, Jace is mediocre, Lilliana is a sideboard only card with a lot of reprintings) I doubt M15 will be opened all that heavily so this card (particularly foil versions) is sure to become crazy expensive down the line.
Generator Servant is pretty cool, playing it 2nd turn into a 3rd turn 5cc fatty (which then gains haste) is a nice line of play. The best thing to ramp into - Stormbreath Dragon already has haste but is still fantastic on the 3rd turn. Cards that benefit from the haste include Master of Cruelty (3rd turn out of nowhere and your opponent is now on 1 life against a red deck) and Underworld Cerberus (already borderline playable, giving it haste pushes it over the top) or with a delay of a turn (or the addition of a mana dork) 6cc cards like [card]Ruric Thar, the Unbowed[/card
become pretty nice options.
New Sliver lord is garbage in EDH, very disappointed.. could have at least had a second ability.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
The 5-color legendary creature that gives indestructible to all of your creaturesslivers isn't mythic? What do you think IS mythic?
I'd say a legendary 8/8 flyer that makes all of your creaturespermanents indestructible is mythic.
Sliver Hivelord is certainly more mythic than the Soul cycle, Titans, Archangel's Light, Hythonia, Huntmaster of the Fells, Windreader Sphinx, Reap Intellect, Angel of Serenity, and many other recent mythics. Just because Avacyn is more mythic that this doesn't make this not mythic.
Underworld Cerebrus is indeed the card the 2/1 guy was looking for. A 6/6 for 5 is terrible on its own now, but between evasion and bringing back sacrificed early creatures, it might work out.
In the generator's case the "if you cast that mana to cast a creature spell, ..." is a propriety of that mana soo every 1 of the 2 the Generator Servant generated (1 and 1 == 2 ) has that propriety...
its not that dificult to get... is it?
about the haste templete...: Hall of the Bandit Lord (new templete)
magiccards.info/chk/en/277.html
Dang, Generator Servant looks cool, is common, and has a use. Check, check, check. I like how it can be used for anything, not just creatures. I think it could be useful for early ramp or late game monstrosity/huge spells. Seems quite versatile.
Either way, whether they intended this for one spell or for the possibility of two, they screwed up the templating on this thing. The strict reading seems to imply only one creature, but you know the common-sense assumption after reading the card will be two.
Actually, this is not a templating issue, its a rare rules issue. Creature spells can remember what happens to them on the stack. Take for instance Ball Lightning and Hallow. While on the stack you can target the Ball with Hallow, and when it swings this turn it will remember that it was hit with Hallow and will proc its prevention and lifegain.
Edit: Sorry North, I noticed your comment earlier before I posted but mine was actually supposed to be in response to the one below this edit.
Yeah the wording is ambiguous and I'm surprised the 'creature spell gains haste' was not picked up by their templating team.
Nothing to do but wait on a formal ruling (and to see if there are Oracle changes behind that 'creature spell gains haste' or if it is just a typo). At least with the latter the intent is obvious.
I like the new Sliver, doesn't quite feel mythic, and I think the effect feels more like it should be on a big honking mono-white sliver with a large CMC (not quite as high as original Avacyn though). Still, it has nice art, and is good in that it protects your slivers.
I like the new red generator servant thingy. It could make fatties more viable in red, which usually favors lots of small guys in a red deck wins type strategy.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
What you'll need to do is first tap enough mana so that you have 1 more than what you need for the first creature, then click the card, then pay for it until the 2 colorless is left and you need 1 more colorless, then click that. You should be left with one hastey colorless to start casting the 2nd creature.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
Seems simple enough to me, if you tap a Generator Servant for 2 colorless and spend one of it on a Goblin Piker, that mana was spent on a creature spell,and said goblin piker gains haste until end of turn. If you then spent the other colorless on a Coral Merfolk then that mana was spent on a creature spell, and said coral merfolk gains haste until end of turn as well. There is no need to invoke plurals to indicate that it can be used on multiple creatures, and the wording you have with plurals would actually require you to split the mana up and cast more than one creature spell with it for any creature to gain haste.
When it says "If that mana is spent on a creature spell", the word "that" is referring to 2. Not to either mana. it further says "that" mana (meaning 2) needs to be spent on "a" creature "spell", singular, not plural.
The card is written badly regardless of their meaning. Everyone will probably assume up to 2, and thats probably what they intended. (I hope)
It's probably noteworthy that if this is actually the correct interpretation, it would be impossible to use it to give haste to any coloured creatured with a CMC of 2 or less. (Or really, anything without at least 2 colourless mana in its cost.) For example, you couldn't use Generator Servant to give Goblin Piker haste. Which is another reason - in addition to the lack of specific templating - that I think it is able to grant haste to multiple creatures, but I agree that the wording is potentially unclear. All they had to do was say "any of this mana" or "all of this mana", and none of this rules confusion would exist. :/
Either way, I think this card is great and will likely be a key card for Standard red decks. Decent aggressive body, and an interesting ability that could be tremendously powerful in the right deck or situation. I look forward to trying him out. (Though I don't particularly like the thought of playing against Monsters if they start including this guy...)
Also, this seems like a pretty long shot, but if the manabase and card pool ends up supporting a Jund strategy, I wonder if Generator Servant might help make the new Garruk playable? All you'd need is this guy and a Sylvan Caryatid, and you could get Garruk out on turn 4.
Edit: Also, how does a 'creature spell' gain haste? Creatures can have haste. Spells cannot, just as creatures cannot gain the Instant card type.
Creatures, creature cards, and creature spells can all have Haste (or flying, or flash, or power and toughness or whatever). Hall of the Bandit Lord is a previous card that does exactly this. Mwonvuli Beast Tracker cares about creature cards having certain abilities. Essence Backlash cares about a creature spell's power. etc
Edit: Also, how does a 'creature spell' gain haste? Creatures can have haste. Spells cannot, just as creatures cannot gain the Instant card type.
Creatures, creature cards, and creature spells can all have Haste (or flying, or flash, or power and toughness or whatever). Hall of the Bandit Lord is a previous card that does exactly this. Mwonvuli Beast Tracker cares about creature cards having certain abilities. Essence Backlash cares about a creature spell's power. etc
I stand corrected on the templating issue, that must have changed at some point (as evidenced by the difference between the printed text on Hall of the Bandit Lord and its Oracle text.
The ambiguity on the 'any or all' mana remains and really there's nothing to do but wait for WotC to release clarification (which will, in reality, be errata). I'm assuming the intention is 'any of this mana' not 'all of this mana'.
106.6. Some spells or abilities that produce mana restrict how that mana can be spent, or have an additional effect that affects the spell or ability that mana is spent on. This doesnt affect the manas type. #
Also there is no plural for mana ( manas haha are you kinding?) once the 2 is added to your mana pool you may split it like 1 and 1 and by the 106.6 each of these 'halfs ' have that abilities.
serious lets move on ( i did dig this and now im tired), there is no rule problem just you guys that think WotC is wrong :\
Also as did the guys before me:
the template ( giving haste to a spell) is right:
111.4.If an effect changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7. #
Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
Thats the most boring 5 color card since fusion elemental was intentionally vanilla. Crikey. Maybe its a necessity for edh and playabilities sake, but design and effect wise its a real stinker. Uninteractivity is one thing, this feels like it should have been 4WW for a 2/2 uncommon.
Seems simple enough to me, if you tap a Generator Servant for 2 colorless and spend one of it on a Goblin Piker, that mana was spent on a creature spell,and said goblin piker gains haste until end of turn. If you then spent the other colorless on a Coral Merfolk then that mana was spent on a creature spell, and said coral merfolk gains haste until end of turn as well. There is no need to invoke plurals to indicate that it can be used on multiple creatures, and the wording you have with plurals would actually require you to split the mana up and cast more than one creature spell with it for any creature to gain haste.
I kind of read it as if the mana this card produced is used on a creature, but i can see the alternative that this mana (plural) has to be used. Wow thats odd.
It seems like the driving force behind this card wasn't to make a cool new Sliver lord, but to get the word indestructible onto a Sliver.
Yeah the wording is ambiguous and I'm surprised the 'creature spell gains haste' was not picked up by their templating team.
Nothing to do but wait on a formal ruling (and to see if there are Oracle changes behind that 'creature spell gains haste' or if it is just a typo). At least with the latter the intent is obvious.
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I'd say a legendary 8/8 flyer that makes all of your
creaturespermanents indestructible is mythic.When it says "If that mana is spent on a creature spell", the word "that" is referring to 2. Not to either mana. it further says "that" mana (meaning 2) needs to be spent on "a" creature "spell", singular, not plural.
The card is written badly regardless of their meaning. Everyone will probably assume up to 2, and thats probably what they intended. (I hope)
still pretty cool. can't wait to see that baby in foil!
Generator Servant is pretty cool, playing it 2nd turn into a 3rd turn 5cc fatty (which then gains haste) is a nice line of play. The best thing to ramp into - Stormbreath Dragon already has haste but is still fantastic on the 3rd turn. Cards that benefit from the haste include Master of Cruelty (3rd turn out of nowhere and your opponent is now on 1 life against a red deck) and Underworld Cerberus (already borderline playable, giving it haste pushes it over the top) or with a delay of a turn (or the addition of a mana dork) 6cc cards like [card]Ruric Thar, the Unbowed[/card
become pretty nice options.
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Sliver Hivelord is certainly more mythic than the Soul cycle, Titans, Archangel's Light, Hythonia, Huntmaster of the Fells, Windreader Sphinx, Reap Intellect, Angel of Serenity, and many other recent mythics. Just because Avacyn is more mythic that this doesn't make this not mythic.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
its not that dificult to get... is it?
about the haste templete...:
Hall of the Bandit Lord (new templete)
magiccards.info/chk/en/277.html
Actually, this is not a templating issue, its a rare rules issue. Creature spells can remember what happens to them on the stack. Take for instance Ball Lightning and Hallow. While on the stack you can target the Ball with Hallow, and when it swings this turn it will remember that it was hit with Hallow and will proc its prevention and lifegain.
Edit: Sorry North, I noticed your comment earlier before I posted but mine was actually supposed to be in response to the one below this edit.
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I like the new red generator servant thingy. It could make fatties more viable in red, which usually favors lots of small guys in a red deck wins type strategy.
Gimme a break, guys. Just quit yer *****in' and enjoy the card.
It's probably noteworthy that if this is actually the correct interpretation, it would be impossible to use it to give haste to any coloured creatured with a CMC of 2 or less. (Or really, anything without at least 2 colourless mana in its cost.) For example, you couldn't use Generator Servant to give Goblin Piker haste. Which is another reason - in addition to the lack of specific templating - that I think it is able to grant haste to multiple creatures, but I agree that the wording is potentially unclear. All they had to do was say "any of this mana" or "all of this mana", and none of this rules confusion would exist. :/
Either way, I think this card is great and will likely be a key card for Standard red decks. Decent aggressive body, and an interesting ability that could be tremendously powerful in the right deck or situation. I look forward to trying him out. (Though I don't particularly like the thought of playing against Monsters if they start including this guy...)
Also, this seems like a pretty long shot, but if the manabase and card pool ends up supporting a Jund strategy, I wonder if Generator Servant might help make the new Garruk playable? All you'd need is this guy and a Sylvan Caryatid, and you could get Garruk out on turn 4.
Creatures, creature cards, and creature spells can all have Haste (or flying, or flash, or power and toughness or whatever). Hall of the Bandit Lord is a previous card that does exactly this. Mwonvuli Beast Tracker cares about creature cards having certain abilities. Essence Backlash cares about a creature spell's power. etc
I stand corrected on the templating issue, that must have changed at some point (as evidenced by the difference between the printed text on Hall of the Bandit Lord and its Oracle text.
The ambiguity on the 'any or all' mana remains and really there's nothing to do but wait for WotC to release clarification (which will, in reality, be errata). I'm assuming the intention is 'any of this mana' not 'all of this mana'.
Also there is no plural for mana ( manas haha are you kinding?) once the 2 is added to your mana pool you may split it like 1 and 1 and by the 106.6 each of these 'halfs ' have that abilities.
serious lets move on ( i did dig this and now im tired), there is no rule problem just you guys that think WotC is wrong :\
Also as did the guys before me:
the template ( giving haste to a spell) is right:
Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.