Really should say "All slivers have indestructible". They fix the crappy art mistake from the M14 slivers, but not the horrible flavor and mechanical fail of them losing their symmetry.
The horrible flavor would be why would a sliver give an ability to an enemy hive.
yes hence my question any of them meaning the being reprinted. meaning the 2014 slivers like or are we only going to have 6 slivers in standard post rotation? Because unless manaweft gets reprinted or some variation, a sliver deck is not going to be very good post rotation.
Really should say "All slivers have indestructible". They fix the crappy art mistake from the M14 slivers, but not the horrible flavor and mechanical fail of them losing their symmetry.
The horrible flavor would be why would a sliver give an ability to an enemy hive.
Well, in the older version of Slivers, there was no such thing as an enemy hive. All slivers were rooted to a singular hivemind.
Current slivers seem to have some story element where the hives have splintered.
Really should say "All slivers have indestructible". They fix the crappy art mistake from the M14 slivers, but not the horrible flavor and mechanical fail of them losing their symmetry.
The horrible flavor would be why would a sliver give an ability to an enemy hive.
Because they are all a single hivemind. That was the original flavor behind them and why Slivers worked the way they did in the past.
What you'll need to do is first tap enough mana so that you have 1 more than what you need for the first creature, then click the card, then pay for it until the 2 colorless is left and you need 1 more colorless, then click that. You should be left with one hastey colorless to start casting the 2nd creature.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
It looks a little bland, then you realize we are getting the new sliver land to help pay for it, he will make mutavault ind, and if they reprint hivestone... watch for it!
Now that sliver Hivelord is an EDH card. People need to stop throwing all the jank overcosted cards the EDH way because quick/powerful cards are still wanted in the format, but a player needs to plan for a longer game it all.
New Sliver lord is garbage in EDH, very disappointed.. could have at least had a second ability.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
....And this is me banging my head against the wall repeatedly. I knew they would eventually make a Darksteel Sliver and here it is. My friends will be ecstatic.
What you'll need to do is first tap enough mana so that you have 1 more than what you need for the first creature, then click the card, then pay for it until the 2 colorless is left and you need 1 more colorless, then click that. You should be left with one hastey colorless to start casting the 2nd creature.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
Ahh, that is a possibility.
Either way, whether they intended this for one spell or for the possibility of two, they screwed up the templating on this thing. The strict reading seems to imply only one creature, but you know the common-sense assumption after reading the card will be two.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
It says it because you only summon one creature at a time. With my 2 mana, I use one of it to summon X, X now has haste and i can proceed to summon another... at least how i see it.
New Sliver lord is garbage in EDH, very disappointed.. could have at least had a second ability.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
Yeah, redundancy in a 100-card singleton is bad.
Garbage in EDH... right...
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
They should have just let the Hivelord be a 7/7. There's no way it was that warping. Other than that ir is a brutal Sliver that makes it slightly safer to overextend.
5 mana for an indestructible 7/7 is crazy good and Sylvan caryatid, mana confluence, and sliver hive make him a bit too easy to cast. He would be in a lot of decks as the finisher if he were a 7/7. If it wasn't for his ability being indestructible, he might have been a 7/7. And sure, there are answers for him, but those are limited to (considering the fact RTR leaves soon): silence the believers, banishing light, straight up countering him, and the new uncommon white sliver.
Really should say "All slivers have indestructible". They fix the crappy art mistake from the M14 slivers, but not the horrible flavor and mechanical fail of them losing their symmetry.
Mirror matches would be dumb. Sure this goes against some set flavor, but to greatly improve gameplay.
I like a curve of turn 1 dork or suspend Search for Tomorrow, turn 2 Generator Servant or Satyr Hedonist, turn 3 Cavern of Souls names Giant and Inferno/Primeval Titan smashes your face. That actually is starting to look decently consistent.
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can Generator Servant be used to cast 2 creature spells giving them both haste ?
The rules simply can't answer that due to the ugly templating of the card.
As I see it there are two possibilities - either you only get haste if *all* of the two mana is spent on the creature (meaning you can't give haste to something that costs 1RR at all), or you get haste if *any* of the two mana is spent on the creature.
We need a card-specific ruling. My reading of the card is that, as written, it only grants haste if *all* of the mana generated by this dude is spent on it, but I expect that will be errata'ed so the card plays as a less pedantic reader expects it to.
Edit: Also, how does a 'creature spell' gain haste? Creatures can have haste. Spells cannot, just as creatures cannot gain the Instant card type.
New Sliver lord is garbage in EDH, very disappointed.. could have at least had a second ability.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
The 5-color legendary creature that gives indestructible to all of your creatures isn't mythic? What do you think IS mythic?
They should have just let the Hivelord be a 7/7. There's no way it was that warping. Other than that ir is a brutal Sliver that makes it slightly safer to overextend.
5 mana for an indestructible 7/7 is crazy good and Sylvan caryatid, mana confluence, and sliver hive make him a bit too easy to cast. He would be in a lot of decks as the finisher if he were a 7/7. If it wasn't for his ability being indestructible, he might have been a 7/7. And sure, there are answers for him, but those are limited to (considering the fact RTR leaves soon): silence the believers, banishing light, straight up countering him, and the new uncommon white sliver.
The horrible flavor would be why would a sliver give an ability to an enemy hive.
I like the Generator Servent. I think he can enable some shenanigans and things a little trickier, especially if you play something with flash.
Well, in the older version of Slivers, there was no such thing as an enemy hive. All slivers were rooted to a singular hivemind.
Current slivers seem to have some story element where the hives have splintered.
Because they are all a single hivemind. That was the original flavor behind them and why Slivers worked the way they did in the past.
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Great question.
In magic we say "RTFC", but really the wordings and rulings are so nuanced it takes a judge ruling to sort it out.
"If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn."
This would indicate only 1 creature. Otherwise it would read, "If that mana is spent on creature spells, those creatures gain haste until end of turn."
See what I mean? Damn confusing.
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I'm sure it'll be covered in the rules update, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing you from casting 2 hasted creatures with this.
With gemhide sliver and manaweft sliver its just as easy to get out Avacyn, Angel of Hope who protects much more. Sure I can't tutor her with overlord as my general but she's one of the first things I tutor when I drop conspiracy. It's also upsetting it's only 5/5 and did not stick to the 7/7 mold. Not really feeling very MYTHIC.
Ahh, that is a possibility.
Either way, whether they intended this for one spell or for the possibility of two, they screwed up the templating on this thing. The strict reading seems to imply only one creature, but you know the common-sense assumption after reading the card will be two.
It says it because you only summon one creature at a time. With my 2 mana, I use one of it to summon X, X now has haste and i can proceed to summon another... at least how i see it.
Yeah, redundancy in a 100-card singleton is bad.
Garbage in EDH... right...
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5 mana for an indestructible 7/7 is crazy good and Sylvan caryatid, mana confluence, and sliver hive make him a bit too easy to cast. He would be in a lot of decks as the finisher if he were a 7/7. If it wasn't for his ability being indestructible, he might have been a 7/7. And sure, there are answers for him, but those are limited to (considering the fact RTR leaves soon): silence the believers, banishing light, straight up countering him, and the new uncommon white sliver.
Mirror matches would be dumb. Sure this goes against some set flavor, but to greatly improve gameplay.
And in non-mirror matches, it plays the same.
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The rules simply can't answer that due to the ugly templating of the card.
As I see it there are two possibilities - either you only get haste if *all* of the two mana is spent on the creature (meaning you can't give haste to something that costs 1RR at all), or you get haste if *any* of the two mana is spent on the creature.
We need a card-specific ruling. My reading of the card is that, as written, it only grants haste if *all* of the mana generated by this dude is spent on it, but I expect that will be errata'ed so the card plays as a less pedantic reader expects it to.
Edit: Also, how does a 'creature spell' gain haste? Creatures can have haste. Spells cannot, just as creatures cannot gain the Instant card type.
Chain Veil makes 15.
The 5-color legendary creature that gives indestructible to all of your creatures isn't mythic? What do you think IS mythic?
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