Everyone said 6 mana was too much for a planeswalker and everyone was wrong. In ramp colors this is certainly a powerful endgame. If you wanted an excuse to play obzedat's aid in junk midrange this is it.
B/G devotion is already a thing guys. Are you forgetting about nykthos? You could probably get this guy out on turn 3 with a burning tree draw and a turn 2 caryatid.
Nykthos decks tend to be terrible. They may be explosive when working but if they are not they are just a terrible pile of cards. There is a good reason decks relying on Nytkthos are not doing well in big tournaments. Their inconsistency makes them unplayable.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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Technically Garruk has three abilities, you can easily add the word "or" for the first two and cause no problems since they both have the same loyalty cost. The kill planeswalker ability should have been 0, to make it harder to reach ultimate.
Technically Garruk has three abilities, you can easily add the word "or" for the first two and cause no problems since they both have the same loyalty cost. The kill planeswalker ability should have been 0, to make it harder to reach ultimate.
I think it should have been a +2, considering planeswalkers are relatively rare permanents.
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Garruk...eh...7 makes him really bad, imo. Compare to Elspeth. His token-making is, imo, far inferior to elspeth. With garruk, if they've got board presence they can kill the token and overwhelm him - with elspeth's 3, that's a looot harder. She turns the tables much faster. Her removal ability is also a lot better, imo, since it can clear the board in a big way. ults, who cares. His other +1 is cute and flavorful and everything but it's not going to be applicable often enough for him to really count as a 4-ability walker in the same sense as jtms, where all his abilities were always relevant.
He's in green. If you are playing Green and Black, then you are going to have a way to make at least 1 mana that doesn't come from a land. So, his cost will be effectively similar to Elspeth, since white typically needs to hard-cast stuff.
Even at the same cmc, I think elspeth is better. Her removal is imo better, and her tokens are a lot better. I'd say I think her ult is better too. The only thing she's missing is the other +1 ability.
Plus nothing says you can't play elspeth in green. Just because something is green doesn't give it permission to be overcosted.
I don't even play Standard, but my Inner Jonny wants to build a Standard green ramp deck with GAP and the new Nissa. Throw a Chord or 2 in there for good measure.
Yep, as what many are thinking Garruk is essentially a walker with 3 abilities. He's supposedly the 4th walker that destroys another walker. That said, do not think he's a finisher like Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker was. If anyone wanted a 3/3 creature, it's not worth 7cmc, even with deathtouch.
I think he's more casual favorite than constructed worthy.
As for the ulti... It is new, but isn't new amongst those custom card designers. I would say Wizards are slowrolling the walker dough... and perhaps rightly so because they sell sets.
B/G devotion is already a thing guys. Are you forgetting about nykthos? You could probably get this guy out on turn 3 with a burning tree draw and a turn 2 caryatid.
Nykthos decks tend to be terrible. They may be explosive when working but if they are not they are just a terrible pile of cards. There is a good reason decks relying on Nytkthos are not doing well in big tournaments. Their inconsistency makes them unplayable.
Playing R/W Devotion I agree with this statement sadly, when the deck works it is sick otherwise you are staring at your hand waiting for a BTE and nykthos. I imagine Garruk is just gonna go in a Superfriends deck in standard. Mana cost of Randy Orton is too high for Modern, Nic Fit might make use of it, I don't see elves needing this I'd rather just combo out with that much mana anyway.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Seeing the New Garruk, my first thought was "Priced out of competative constructed unless Standard Golgari varients get alot more control based or the whole format slows down dramatically!".
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My second throught was the chant "EDH, EDH, EDH!".
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I wonder if these people play edh. He does very little in multiplayer. Destroy a creature? put a 3/3 into play? gain some life? All pretty bad for 7 mana when you have multiple opponents.
I'm seeing Naya Superfriends with new Garruk, Nissa, and Ajani...at least until rotation when we lose our Forest duals...
Gonna assume you mean Junk!
I'm interested to see if Garruk could make Junk or BUG Superfriends viable-
He seems like an Elspeth-level finisher,
but he definitely needs the right support.
Nissa seems like a natural harbinger, but I'm not sure Vraska helps much.
What color would be the best complement?
U? (Kiora, Jace 3 & 4, Ashiok)
W? (Both Ajanis, Elspeth)
R? (Domri, Xenagos)
I'm tempted to go with U-
T3 Kiora/Jace4 > T4 Nissa > T5 Garruk is absolutely nasty, and not unreasonable.
Kiora and Nissa make some really serious mana acceleration,
and Jace 4 can dig for things similarly to Ajani, Mentor.
W could also work really well, but I need to see how much Ajani Steadfast helps in actual gameplay.
Elspeth + GAP seems a bit... excessive, but it could certainly be fun.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I haven't read earlier posts but from now on I will call the new Garruk - Randy Orton.
Hmm... 7 to cast but with 4 abilities. As what was previously mentioned, it is pretty awesome in Commander. It does have a way of protecting itself (2 ways actually) so I guess it passes one of the 'is this Planeswalker good?' test. I'm not sure how playable this can be in Standard but I'm sure someone will try to break this in a GB-ramp style shell.
I'm glad that they reprinted Chord of Calling - I hope it becomes affordable enough for me to snag a copy
Am I the only one bored to death to hear people saying "good for EDH" for any card that costs more than 5 CMC?
do these people even play EDH?
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Huey, Dewey and Louie are always dressed in RUG. it is CLEARLY going to be the wedges block Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
i like how they made garruk, but unfortunatly his casting cost is way to high.
i think he wont see standard play for as long as we have vraska, and even after she rotates out, 7 mana is really alot for "just destroyn a planeswalker,creature or make a 3/3 beast"
Vraska and Garruk will be together in same format for 2 months, and Dreadbore is probably played more than Vraska, while Hero's Downfall will remain in format and is the most played by far.
You're right about his Garruk's cmc though. The only 7 drops that have been competitively viable in the last 5 years have been Avenger of Zendikar, Elesh Norn, Karn, and Angel of Serenity. I have a hard time seeing Garruk in this elite grouping.
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Nykthos decks tend to be terrible. They may be explosive when working but if they are not they are just a terrible pile of cards. There is a good reason decks relying on Nytkthos are not doing well in big tournaments. Their inconsistency makes them unplayable.
(and most EDH decks, if we're being honest).
Too bad Necromancer's Stockpile wasn't around the same time as Gravecrawler
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I think it should have been a +2, considering planeswalkers are relatively rare permanents.
Feel free to tell me yours!
Even at the same cmc, I think elspeth is better. Her removal is imo better, and her tokens are a lot better. I'd say I think her ult is better too. The only thing she's missing is the other +1 ability.
Plus nothing says you can't play elspeth in green. Just because something is green doesn't give it permission to be overcosted.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I think he's more casual favorite than constructed worthy.
As for the ulti... It is new, but isn't new amongst those custom card designers. I would say Wizards are slowrolling the walker dough... and perhaps rightly so because they sell sets.
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Playing R/W Devotion I agree with this statement sadly, when the deck works it is sick otherwise you are staring at your hand waiting for a BTE and nykthos. I imagine Garruk is just gonna go in a Superfriends deck in standard. Mana cost of Randy Orton is too high for Modern, Nic Fit might make use of it, I don't see elves needing this I'd rather just combo out with that much mana anyway.
R/W Devotion
Mono-R Devotion
Legacy
Burn
Punishing Jund
So new Garruk has the best name out of all the PWs, including the mindsculptor. Four freakin' abilities... dat first one... sheesh...!
That's what people said about Elspeth, Sun's Champion too. This is in Green, so you're likely running some accellerators or nykthos, shrine to nyx.
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My second throught was the chant "EDH, EDH, EDH!".
Oh man, too soon, my friend. Too soon.
I wonder if these people play edh. He does very little in multiplayer. Destroy a creature? put a 3/3 into play? gain some life? All pretty bad for 7 mana when you have multiple opponents.
Modern
RBig RedR
GMean GreenG
WWW AlliesW
BGScavengeBG
WUVenser SilenceWU
EDH
RWAurelia 1 vs 1RW
GWURoonGWU
GWSaffiGW
I'm interested to see if Garruk could make Junk or BUG Superfriends viable-
He seems like an Elspeth-level finisher,
but he definitely needs the right support.
Nissa seems like a natural harbinger, but I'm not sure Vraska helps much.
What color would be the best complement?
U? (Kiora, Jace 3 & 4, Ashiok)
W? (Both Ajanis, Elspeth)
R? (Domri, Xenagos)
I'm tempted to go with U-
T3 Kiora/Jace4 > T4 Nissa > T5 Garruk is absolutely nasty, and not unreasonable.
Kiora and Nissa make some really serious mana acceleration,
and Jace 4 can dig for things similarly to Ajani, Mentor.
W could also work really well, but I need to see how much Ajani Steadfast helps in actual gameplay.
Elspeth + GAP seems a bit... excessive, but it could certainly be fun.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Hmm... 7 to cast but with 4 abilities. As what was previously mentioned, it is pretty awesome in Commander. It does have a way of protecting itself (2 ways actually) so I guess it passes one of the 'is this Planeswalker good?' test. I'm not sure how playable this can be in Standard but I'm sure someone will try to break this in a GB-ramp style shell.
I'm glad that they reprinted Chord of Calling - I hope it becomes affordable enough for me to snag a copy
Go the commander forum "Unreleased and New Card Discussion" and see how many edh players are excited about this card.
"Great in edh" is second only to "dies to removal" in the pantheon of overstated misconceptions when it comes to assessing a card.
Modern
RBig RedR
GMean GreenG
WWW AlliesW
BGScavengeBG
WUVenser SilenceWU
EDH
RWAurelia 1 vs 1RW
GWURoonGWU
GWSaffiGW
but 7 mana is a lot for my deck as I actually don't have a lot of ramp.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
do these people even play EDH?
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Vraska and Garruk will be together in same format for 2 months, and Dreadbore is probably played more than Vraska, while Hero's Downfall will remain in format and is the most played by far.
You're right about his Garruk's cmc though. The only 7 drops that have been competitively viable in the last 5 years have been Avenger of Zendikar, Elesh Norn, Karn, and Angel of Serenity. I have a hard time seeing Garruk in this elite grouping.
Modern
RBig RedR
GMean GreenG
WWW AlliesW
BGScavengeBG
WUVenser SilenceWU
EDH
RWAurelia 1 vs 1RW
GWURoonGWU
GWSaffiGW
My Modern Decks:
BGWAbzan MidrangeWGB
UWRJeskai NahiriRWU
BRUGrixis ControlURB
You have a planeswalker? I'll blow it up.
You have a creature? I'll blow it up.
You have nothing? I'll make a 3/3 deathtouch.