Man i like that garruk, he just under nicol bolas in power. he's going to be fun in EDH but not much else. put who knows might hit standard. that enchantment is really nice, almost says all your creature cards have cycling.
The only thing I don't like is how comparatively lackluster the mana to effect ratio is going to be if he doesn't have a Planesewalker to eat upon entering the battlefield. If not, he produces a 3/3 deathtouch for 7, and comes within four activations of a near-game winning ultimate (which is more then enough time to deal with it). Or, he eats a creature, goes down to two, and slowly ticks his way up with 3/3 beasts, which is still a good place to be, but easier to deal with. I'm totally sold on this guy, but I can foresee a number of occasions where I might not necessarily be too happy to see him.
I didn't even read the ult. I knew for 7 mana the other abilities probably aren't good enough for Standard without an odd metagame, but were very good in EDH. I usually ignore ults anyway I guess though.
well, aside from the fact that many PW are mediocre in EDH, this one has an ult. that is practically tailor made for long game multi-player.
Garruk...eh...7 makes him really bad, imo. Compare to Elspeth. His token-making is, imo, far inferior to elspeth. With garruk, if they've got board presence they can kill the token and overwhelm him - with elspeth's 3, that's a looot harder. She turns the tables much faster. Her removal ability is also a lot better, imo, since it can clear the board in a big way. ults, who cares. His other +1 is cute and flavorful and everything but it's not going to be applicable often enough for him to really count as a 4-ability walker in the same sense as jtms, where all his abilities were always relevant.
I didn't even read the ult. I knew for 7 mana the other abilities probably aren't good enough for Standard without an odd metagame, but were very good in EDH. I usually ignore ults anyway I guess though.
well, aside from the fact that many PW are mediocre in EDH, this one has an ult. that is practically tailor made for long game multi-player.
His ultimate really isn't good for EDH, since only ONE opponent gets the emblem for attack boosts. It is like those enchant player cards they made in the last commander set, they were very meh.
Garruk is as probably should have been expected - crazy powerful but also crazy expensive. At 7 mana it'll only see fringe play and only in GBx midrange/control strategies.
Stockpile on the other hand is a very interesting card, giving all your creatures cycling 1B is pretty nice on it's own and making zombies (one of blacks main tribes) give you extra value is a huge incentive. I particularly like the fact that it wasn't made sorcery speed.
Garruk...eh...7 makes him really bad, imo. Compare to Elspeth. His token-making is, imo, far inferior to elspeth. With garruk, if they've got board presence they can kill the token and overwhelm him - with elspeth's 3, that's a looot harder. She turns the tables much faster. Her removal ability is also a lot better, imo, since it can clear the board in a big way. ults, who cares. His other +1 is cute and flavorful and everything but it's not going to be applicable often enough for him to really count as a 4-ability walker in the same sense as jtms, where all his abilities were always relevant.
He's in green. If you are playing Green and Black, then you are going to have a way to make at least 1 mana that doesn't come from a land. So, his cost will be effectively similar to Elspeth, since white typically needs to hard-cast stuff.
Also, a chord deck is going to want ramp anyway to cheat in the huge creature. Chord will be standard playable, that should be obvious. So, if you are ramping anyway to try to do something broken, you may as well make it GB and throw in Garruk.
I mean, maybe I'm high, but with Verdict, Sphere, and Revelation rotating, I think the premier standard control deck becomes BUG, and this slots in perfectly as the finisher.
That said, little chance of seeing any play in modern. I could see it as a 1-of in the sideboard of Modern Rock, for other grindy midrange matchups. At an FNM it could be fun, but not in an actual optimized decklist.
He doesn't seem that strong for 7. Like vraska's -3 does basically the same as his -3 and his walker murder move, sans some life gain or loyalty which are kinda secondary concerns to a walker just doing its job as soon as it hits the board. As long as nykthos is around I can't write off any card just for cost since people are routinely monstrousing polukranos for like 15 right now in green devotion decks, but he's terrible at stopping aggro and even if he chops a walker against control he's as vulnerable to a downfall or exilechantment as vraska would be doing the same thing for cheaper. In not standard I'd pretty much always lean karn over GAP. I do like that his abbreviation is GAP though, that's worth something.
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He doesn't seem that strong for 7. Like vraska's -3 does basically the same as his -3 and his walker murder move, sans some life gain or loyalty which are kinda secondary concerns to a walker just doing its job as soon as it hits the board. As long as nykthos is around I can't write off any card just for cost since people are routinely monstrousing polukranos for like 15 right now in green devotion decks, but he's terrible at stopping aggro and even if he chops a walker against control he's as vulnerable to a downfall or exilechantment as vraska would be doing the same thing for cheaper. In not standard I'd pretty much always lean karn over GAP. I do like that his abbreviation is GAP though, that's worth something.
+1 3/3 deathtouch is what sets this card apart. You can't gloss over that, you still need to defend against an army or from the air, but in two turns Garruk can throw up a big stop sign. And of course, there's the whole "I can kill your biggest threat and gain life if I need to" thing.
B/G devotion is already a thing guys. Are you forgetting about nykthos? You could probably get this guy out on turn 3 with a burning tree draw and a turn 2 caryatid.
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He doesn't seem that strong for 7. Like vraska's -3 does basically the same as his -3 and his walker murder move, sans some life gain or loyalty which are kinda secondary concerns to a walker just doing its job as soon as it hits the board. As long as nykthos is around I can't write off any card just for cost since people are routinely monstrousing polukranos for like 15 right now in green devotion decks, but he's terrible at stopping aggro and even if he chops a walker against control he's as vulnerable to a downfall or exilechantment as vraska would be doing the same thing for cheaper. In not standard I'd pretty much always lean karn over GAP. I do like that his abbreviation is GAP though, that's worth something.
+1 3/3 deathtouch is what sets this card apart. You can't gloss over that, you still need to defend against an army or from the air, but in two turns Garruk can throw up a big stop sign. And of course, there's the whole "I can kill your biggest threat and gain life if I need to" thing.
Both cards are insane in EDH. Garruk is unplayable in Modern, but is an answer to Elspeth in standard......maybe playable????
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
I think Wizards is really starting to grasp planeswalker creation. Not standard playable in most shells, but still a great card. Also insane in limited, obviously.
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Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
I like him as a control finisher the same way Nicol bolas, planeswalker worked. He comes in knocks out that last threat that was endangering you then your opponent has one turn to deal with it until he takes a stranglehold on the game. Varaska doesn't really put pressure on the opponent like garruk can with his beasts.
Although Prognostic sphinx cares not for planeswalkers and will murder him just like elspeth.
I think he will see play as a 1 or 2 of rather than the anchor of a deck, BG devotion and even Bg devotion can play him in the current meta, but maybe out of the sideboard for now.
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The enchantment is cool, though, it basically cycles zombies while making tokens. in terms of actual combos, nothing is amazing but there's fun to be had - pyre zombie, tymaret, shambling shell, undead gladiator, veilborn ghoul, and lord of the undead give you lots of stuff to do, plus other zombies that have more minor synergy like gravecrawler and gravedigger and whatnot.
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His ultimate really isn't good for EDH, since only ONE opponent gets the emblem for attack boosts. It is like those enchant player cards they made in the last commander set, they were very meh.
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Stockpile on the other hand is a very interesting card, giving all your creatures cycling 1B is pretty nice on it's own and making zombies (one of blacks main tribes) give you extra value is a huge incentive. I particularly like the fact that it wasn't made sorcery speed.
A BGx deck full of cheap (1-3cc) zombies like Slitherhead, Lotleth Troll, Spiteful Returned, Dreg Mangler etc. and Immortal Servitude could be a lot of fun.
Another great combo is with Tyramet, the Murder King which can effectively allow you to draw any number of cards for 2BB a card.
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He's in green. If you are playing Green and Black, then you are going to have a way to make at least 1 mana that doesn't come from a land. So, his cost will be effectively similar to Elspeth, since white typically needs to hard-cast stuff.
That said, little chance of seeing any play in modern. I could see it as a 1-of in the sideboard of Modern Rock, for other grindy midrange matchups. At an FNM it could be fun, but not in an actual optimized decklist.
+1 3/3 deathtouch is what sets this card apart. You can't gloss over that, you still need to defend against an army or from the air, but in two turns Garruk can throw up a big stop sign. And of course, there's the whole "I can kill your biggest threat and gain life if I need to" thing.
GAP for life.
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
Modern:
Affinity
EDH:
Rhys (Tokens)
Karrthus (Dragons)
Bruna (Auras OP)
I like him as a control finisher the same way Nicol bolas, planeswalker worked. He comes in knocks out that last threat that was endangering you then your opponent has one turn to deal with it until he takes a stranglehold on the game. Varaska doesn't really put pressure on the opponent like garruk can with his beasts.
Although Prognostic sphinx cares not for planeswalkers and will murder him just like elspeth.
I think he will see play as a 1 or 2 of rather than the anchor of a deck, BG devotion and even Bg devotion can play him in the current meta, but maybe out of the sideboard for now.
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GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
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R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
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