I'm not complaing, because I'm pretty happy to be able to get these for cheaper. Based off of the reasoning in the article for pushing aggro decks, it seems that this would've been a great opportunity to finish a cycle and print enemy colored Scars Fastlands.
Interesting choice for the core set, especially after their previous statements regarding those lands.
Honestly, for some reason I was expecting something slightly flashier. The fact that they are only bringing back the enemy half of the cycle also feels odd...
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Solid choice of lands, painlands have always read badly but played well.
The article makes me think set 1 of Khans block will have allied colour duals of some description, and set 3 will have enemy coloured ones. Painlands will tide over decks until the third set.
This is the weirdest Core Set I've seen thus far. It has a lot of variety and also a lot of reprints that were totally out of left field. Even though Convoke is the returning mechanic, I don't think it's going to really catch on, although with Inspired being a thing, I suppose I could be wrong. It just goes against everything I've learned about Magic to just tap creatures to cast a spell - you're giving up a turn's worth of attacking or tap-abilities or being able to block for a spell.
I am happy to see the painlands back. Expensive lands in standard aren't good for the game. Look at the scrylands, who wants to spend $10 a piece on lands that come into play tapped and have no basic land types?
I'm laughing so hard at all of you who were expecting fetch lands and are disappointed! Did people really expect fetch lands? Haha I am really happy these lands were reprinted. Suffer!
Actually I think its a strong sign that we'll have ally duals of a new type of land, not fetches, no reprints.
At the end of the article Sam said the lands in khans would see standard play and immediately he bragged about how he said the same thing about the scrylands and though people were skeptical, he turned out to be right. Why even bring that up if its just gonna be a reprint? That looks like a very strong sign of a new land cycle, maybe allies in the first set followed by enemy in the last 2 sets.
Nice! I'm all about these... Fetches would have been great and all but these are great for standard (no CIPT) and EDH. So far this is a pretty decent core, very interesting and all over the place with the nods to recent Planes.
I'd prefer Checklands (but hey, wouldn't everyone?), but this might help me actually play Standard seeing as I still own 2+ copies of most of these (with playsets of Caves and Forge). And I can pick up the copies I don't own of Coast, Wastes, and Reef too, so that'll be nice.
I'm more intrigued by the Khans speculation, personally.
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The good news is, of the rare duals printed in the last fifteen years, these are only the third-worst choice for a reprint after the Lorwyn block tribal lands and Odyssey's reliably bad Darkwater Catacombs cycle. The other good news is that now a whole new generation of players will learn to hate painlands.
Yea they're not perfect, but they come into play untapped so they're serviceable. I STILL hate the scry lands. I don't care what he says about everyone accepting them. They're a miserable excuse for a dual land.
The good news is, of the rare duals printed in the last fifteen years, these are only the third-worst choice for a reprint after the Lorwyn block tribal lands and Odyssey's reliably bad Darkwater Catacombs cycle. The other good news is that now a whole new generation of players will learn to hate painlands.
Yea they're not perfect, but they come into play untapped so they're serviceable. I STILL hate the scry lands. I don't care what he says about everyone accepting them. They're a miserable excuse for a dual land.
Aggro player, are you? I actually love the Scry lands, but I play a Bant Superfriends deck that's somewhere between Midrange and Control, and Scry lands are absolutely necessary in the first 3 or 4 turns to hitting the curve.
Anyhow, I'm not excited at all about the pain lands. More than fetchlands, I was hoping for filter land reprints. They are some of the best dual lands besides the originals and the shocks
Interesting that Sam Stoddard is saying they will still print full cycles of lands in a block for Block constructed. If KTK does indeed have a cycle of 10 dual lands, it would make it balanced for Block, but not Standard where enemy-coloured decks and wedges will have a better manabase.
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The good news is, of the rare duals printed in the last fifteen years, these are only the third-worst choice for a reprint after the Lorwyn block tribal lands and Odyssey's reliably bad Darkwater Catacombs cycle. The other good news is that now a whole new generation of players will learn to hate painlands.
Yea they're not perfect, but they come into play untapped so they're serviceable. I STILL hate the scry lands. I don't care what he says about everyone accepting them. They're a miserable excuse for a dual land.
The good news is, of the rare duals printed in the last fifteen years, these are only the third-worst choice for a reprint after the Lorwyn block tribal lands and Odyssey's reliably bad Darkwater Catacombs cycle. The other good news is that now a whole new generation of players will learn to hate painlands.
Yea they're not perfect, but they come into play untapped so they're serviceable. I STILL hate the scry lands. I don't care what he says about everyone accepting them. They're a miserable excuse for a dual land.
Aggro player, are you? I actually love the Scry lands, but I play a Bant Superfriends deck that's somewhere between Midrange and Control, and Scry lands are absolutely necessary in the first 3 or 4 turns to hitting the curve.
Anyhow, I'm not excited at all about the pain lands. More than fetchlands, I was hoping for filter land reprints. They are some of the best dual lands besides the originals and the shocks
Esper control, but I STILL hate the concept hahaha. I dunno a lot of it is I just hate theros in general too. I think the scry lands are just representative of that. Fortunately JOU has resparked my interest and m15 is looking very interesting! As a side note though the modern player in me really wanted enemy fast lands for my BW death and taxes build haha.
Wouldn't enemy scars-lands have met their goals for having strong lands for aggressive decks while being new and not causing damage (which they don't want)?
Wouldn't enemy scars-lands have met their goals for having strong lands for aggressive decks while being new and not causing damage (which they don't want)?
It sounds like these lands were printed to fill a hole rather than as part of a definite plan, since they replaced checklands during development. It's likely they didn't have time to test enemy color fastlands too extensively or they did and they were too good for Tarkir block Standard. Maybe they're slated for the future. Or maybe they just didn't think of this cycle, even though it seems to satisfy all of their criteria in addition to being lands people actually want to open (i.e. not painlands).
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I'm happy to see them. I was looking to complete my playsets of them for a while and it should be a lot easier this time. They will clash next to my 7th edition playset of the friendly painlands though...
Wouldn't enemy scars-lands have met their goals for having strong lands for aggressive decks while being new and not causing damage (which they don't want)?
They would, however based on the comments about wanting to use the Innistrad checklands initially, they probably had these spots budgeted as reprints, which wouldn't require any creative resources. Enemy scars-lands would have required five new pieces of art, along with five new names, which comes at some amount of cost. Perhaps not a huge cost, but there may have also been a time factor involved in that they would have had to make the decision about them doing new lands when they were sending out the requests for art, rather than being able to make that sort of change at the last minute.
To be perfectly honest, I would have preferred the Innistrad enemy checklands for Standard again to these - and this is coming from a longtime painland user for other formats.
Sam Stoddard, what a master troll. Getting people hook, line and sinker with that "We like the Pay 1 life template!" and making people expect fetchlands.
Hats off to you, sir.
If you had read past the first few sentences, you would see that you are completely wrong. The "pay life" template was used before they knew that M15 would have painlands, furthermore, the painlands don't have the "pay life" template, they have the "deal damage" template. The only cycle of lands with the "pay life" template are the fetches and with the enemy colors being pushed in M15, it is likely that Khans is enemy colors or Wedge and I would bet a lot that enemy fetches will be in Khans. Although, I could be wrong, and this is rather likely also:
Actually I think its a strong sign that we'll have ally duals of a new type of land, not fetches, no reprints.
At the end of the article Sam said the lands in khans would see standard play and immediately he bragged about how he said the same thing about the scrylands and though people were skeptical, he turned out to be right. Why even bring that up if its just gonna be a reprint? That looks like a very strong sign of a new land cycle, maybe allies in the first set followed by enemy in the last 2 sets.
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Honestly, for some reason I was expecting something slightly flashier. The fact that they are only bringing back the enemy half of the cycle also feels odd...
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The article makes me think set 1 of Khans block will have allied colour duals of some description, and set 3 will have enemy coloured ones. Painlands will tide over decks until the third set.
I'm laughing so hard at all of you who were expecting fetch lands and are disappointed! Did people really expect fetch lands? Haha I am really happy these lands were reprinted. Suffer!
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This is a valid line of reasoning.
I'm more intrigued by the Khans speculation, personally.
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Aggro player, are you? I actually love the Scry lands, but I play a Bant Superfriends deck that's somewhere between Midrange and Control, and Scry lands are absolutely necessary in the first 3 or 4 turns to hitting the curve.
Anyhow, I'm not excited at all about the pain lands. More than fetchlands, I was hoping for filter land reprints. They are some of the best dual lands besides the originals and the shocks
do you think we will see them mix cycles going forward?
So for example they will do a five-land cycle across the allied colours in KTK, but it will not be the painlands?
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Esper control, but I STILL hate the concept hahaha. I dunno a lot of it is I just hate theros in general too. I think the scry lands are just representative of that. Fortunately JOU has resparked my interest and m15 is looking very interesting! As a side note though the modern player in me really wanted enemy fast lands for my BW death and taxes build haha.
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