Standard almost always sucks anyways so I don't see why WotC cares. The only way they lose sales is if a caw blade level mistake happens and waste not + LotV is not SFM + JTMS.
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I'm extremely dissapointed in a Liliana Vess Reprint. I wasn't expecting a LotV reprint, but something new would have been nice. But a Gen1 planeswalker reprint in M15? Come on. That's pretty lame. Ajani gets #4, Jace is getting #5 (based on artwork), Nissa will be new (based on artwork) and Chandra is a good reprint, I feel like they dropped the ball big time with black. I would have rather seen Sorin Markov again...
Very dissapointing. This coreset is about 'The Veil', so it would be the perfect time for a Liliana of THE VEIL reprint. And being too strong for Standard? Good grief, what a lousy argument. She just passed a Standard environment.
As if mono black needs more cards to break the format. Lily of the Veil's powerful, and seeing what mono black looks like in Theros alone and with m15 cards making discard even more brutal than ever she'd make black the only color worth playing. It'll be Jace the Mindraper and Stoneforge Mystic all over again.
'Only' for three months, until RTR rotates. Without Underworld, Pack Rat en D. Demon, mono-black seems alot more managable. In Theros alone it is Gary, Downfall and Thoughtseize. In all honesty, the last card would be the most worrisome when paired with LoTV. But yeah, guess we will have to wait for MM2.
What about Waste Not? Forgotten that card already? Vess is powerful enough with that card in standard. LotV is more dumb.
I maintain that MaRo mentioned something about LotV being cut from M14 last minute, but I can't find anything to corroborate it. I really need to stop drinking and tumbling.
If all these other Planeswalkers are getting juicy, new, arguably constructed playable guises, I really don't understand why Liliana can't do the same, or at least have Lili of the Veil come back.
Besides, as many others have stated, this Core Set seems to be "veil themed," for lack of a better term. How are we going to take the furthest iteration of Liliana from that and use that one as the main Black PW, while everyone else seemingly goes nuts?
If all these other Planeswalkers are getting juicy, new, arguably constructed playable guises, I really don't understand why Liliana can't do the same [...]
Quietly tip-toes by to pick up a handful of Liliana Vess cards for EDH decks.
I for one am perfectly happy that Wizards is reprinting Vess. She's one of the best, and I would argue the best, planeswalkers in EDH. I have nothing against Lili of the Veil, but she's far and away the worst of the liliana's for the one format I really play. I feel for you and your desire for a reprint of LotV, but I tend to trust R&D on these decisions over the armchair coaches who's solution to everything is just to increase the power level of standard. It's like the childish naivety that makes "Why don't we print more money?" Sound like a reasonable solution to an economic recession.
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If all these other Planeswalkers are getting juicy, new, arguably constructed playable guises, I really don't understand why Liliana can't do the same [...]
You assume Ms Vess isn't standard playable.
I do, most likely correctly, and assuming she is I don't care regardless.
Quietly tip-toes by to pick up a handful of Liliana Vess cards for EDH decks.
I for one am perfectly happy that Wizards is reprinting Vess. She's one of the best, and I would argue the best, planeswalkers in EDH. I have nothing against Lili of the Veil, but she's far and away the worst of the liliana's for the one format I really play. I feel for you and your desire for a reprint of LotV, but I tend to trust R&D on these decisions over the armchair coaches who's solution to everything is just to increase the power level of standard. It's like the childish naivety that makes "Why don't we print more money?" Sound like a reasonable solution to an economic recession.
You know the government does that right? Inflation is a thing!
On topic though, I think Vess isn't as bad as people are making her out to be, considering she starts at 5 loyalty, and is a tutoring machine, shes not as overpowering as Lilly of the veil, but I'm glad it wasn't Lilly of the Dark Realms, I'll take that as a good thing
Quietly tip-toes by to pick up a handful of Liliana Vess cards for EDH decks.
I for one am perfectly happy that Wizards is reprinting Vess. She's one of the best, and I would argue the best, planeswalkers in EDH. I have nothing against Lili of the Veil, but she's far and away the worst of the liliana's for the one format I really play. I feel for you and your desire for a reprint of LotV, but I tend to trust R&D on these decisions over the armchair coaches who's solution to everything is just to increase the power level of standard. It's like the childish naivety that makes "Why don't we print more money?" Sound like a reasonable solution to an economic recession.
You know the government does that right? Inflation is a thing!
On topic though, I think Vess isn't as bad as people are making her out to be, considering she starts at 5 loyalty, and is a tutoring machine, shes not as overpowering as Lilly of the veil, but I'm glad it wasn't Lilly of the Dark Realms, I'll take that as a good thing
Haha well yes, but they do it at a mostly healthy rate to keep money circulating and to compensate for money that is lost or damaged beyond use. This is like the kid who hears we owe trillions to China and asks why we don't just print a trillion more dollars to give to them.
And I don't know about standard, but Vess is a good walker in a format where walkers are usually just bad; I want to stress that she isn't just a universally bad option. Veil Lili could certainly use a reprint almost as much as her sibling broken Planeswalker JtMS could, but like Jace it probably shouldn't be back in standard.
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Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
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If liliana vess is reprinted....god that's a gigantic let down. At least design a new one.
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Just imagine the Mono Black mirror matches with a Waste Not and a LoTV and a Pack Rat on either side, lol.
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What about Waste Not? Forgotten that card already? Vess is powerful enough with that card in standard. LotV is more dumb.
Affinty? Psh. Who remembers standards with rebels?
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If all these other Planeswalkers are getting juicy, new, arguably constructed playable guises, I really don't understand why Liliana can't do the same, or at least have Lili of the Veil come back.
Besides, as many others have stated, this Core Set seems to be "veil themed," for lack of a better term. How are we going to take the furthest iteration of Liliana from that and use that one as the main Black PW, while everyone else seemingly goes nuts?
You assume Ms Vess isn't standard playable.
I for one am perfectly happy that Wizards is reprinting Vess. She's one of the best, and I would argue the best, planeswalkers in EDH. I have nothing against Lili of the Veil, but she's far and away the worst of the liliana's for the one format I really play. I feel for you and your desire for a reprint of LotV, but I tend to trust R&D on these decisions over the armchair coaches who's solution to everything is just to increase the power level of standard. It's like the childish naivety that makes "Why don't we print more money?" Sound like a reasonable solution to an economic recession.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
I do, most likely correctly, and assuming she is I don't care regardless.
You know the government does that right? Inflation is a thing!
On topic though, I think Vess isn't as bad as people are making her out to be, considering she starts at 5 loyalty, and is a tutoring machine, shes not as overpowering as Lilly of the veil, but I'm glad it wasn't Lilly of the Dark Realms, I'll take that as a good thing
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Haha well yes, but they do it at a mostly healthy rate to keep money circulating and to compensate for money that is lost or damaged beyond use. This is like the kid who hears we owe trillions to China and asks why we don't just print a trillion more dollars to give to them.
And I don't know about standard, but Vess is a good walker in a format where walkers are usually just bad; I want to stress that she isn't just a universally bad option. Veil Lili could certainly use a reprint almost as much as her sibling broken Planeswalker JtMS could, but like Jace it probably shouldn't be back in standard.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)