You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I think that its funny how the article is all like..."6 manna better get you something amazing with elspeth and stormbreath in standard" and then the 6 drop is just aweful.
I think that its funny how the article is all like..."6 manna better get you something amazing with elspeth and stormbreath in standard" and then the 6 drop is just aweful.
exactly how i am feeling do they not get that we can occasionally read a card and see that the activation cost is miles above what is competitive?
Soul of Whatever cycle seems underwhelming so far except for New Phyrexia. Such a steep cost for an activated ability that will NOT win you the game anytime soon. I guess some of them might have EDH appeal though. Still, 5 mana to return 3 creatures from graveyard to hand? Ugh. Some sort of reanimation on a stick would have been awesome.
Sliver Hive is tight though, I definitely want to get a few and get my jankiness on..
I think that its funny how the article is all like..."6 manna better get you something amazing with elspeth and stormbreath in standard" and then the 6 drop is just aweful.
5 mana to get 3 creatures back each turn isn't too bad. I don't think this guy has space in any current decks, but I suspect that the format will slow down a bit come rotation, based on what we're seeing.
The art is wonderful. The card itself.....I'd rather just play Grave Titan.
The Titans were bused, so yeah. Besides, both cards perform a completely different role. The Soul cycle does not dissapoint, but this one is the best one so far (with only the white one pending). It makes my Golgari heart happy.
I dunno, when the article specifically mentions one of the big deal makers with this guy being "oh your opponent only has so much removal, and even if they use it on this guy you still got the creatures out of him" and he is completely outclassed at doing that by a creature that actually puts things into play rather than you basically having to wait another turn or two (most likely) to get any of the creatures you grabbed with him back out....yeah, it's kinda bad. Especially at mythic.
Soul of Innistrad seems like a very potent card advantage engine for self-mill strategies. It's expensive enough that it could whiff in Standard, but it's easily the most exciting of the cycle for EDH (Soul of New Phyrexia being the only other one that seems at all interesting there).
Edit: Yeah, the "you get value even if it gets killed!" isn't the main attraction here, it's the "graveyard recursion effect with flashback" part. Anytime you have a recursion effect that works when you mill it, that's worth taking notice of.
I play BUG, with 4x Prophet of Kruphix. Typically, I cast twice as many spells as my opponent - so a constant source of cards is good. That being said, I would only play Soul of Innistrad if it had lifelink. I'm wondering if I could combo this with Disciple of Deceit for repeatable tutoring...
I think Soul of Ravnica is more likely for me. Being able to Flash in a flyer seems better to me than a 6/6 deathtouch, and 7 mana for 3 cards seems like a fine mana sink.
The new M14 sliver look was loathed in the market testing, in addition to the hugely negative feedback they got online. I think it's safe to say that attempt at a redesign is probably dead in the water.
I wish the hive didn't have the clause for making tokens, I'd love to run it in Karn alongside springjack pasture for some clamp buddies.
Try Urza's Factory if you haven't (though it doesn't work great with Skullclamp )
But yeah, I wish this could make a token for any deck.
How valuable is a 1/1 Sliver token in a non-Sliver deck, anyway?
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary Melek, Izzet Paragon Oona, Queen of the Fae Bruna, Light of Alabaster Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Rhys the Redeemed Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord Sen Triplets The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
That land makes me really want to put a sliver deck together.
Soul of Innistrad... Eh, I feel like he pitched it to the wrong people. The thing is too mana intensive for standard... for Commander, however...
Phyrexian Reclamation is one of my all time favorite Commander cards. In a single card format full of ways to make critters dead, repeatable recursion, even to the hand, is the king. I'd definitely run this in an EDH deck.
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I am liking Soul of Innistrad for Commander, can't imagine it doing something elsewhere, but I could easily be wrong. Sliver land makes every Casual Sliver deck possible and has a small chance of pushing slivers into some small form of playability in Modern possibly.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
Hated the new ones on Shandalar. I believe this bunch may have came from elsewhere, or creative has erase them like what Bryan Singer did to the Last Stand.
If you cast Soul of Innistrad when stable, it wins you the game. Elspeth does the same, as does Aetherling.
If you cast Soul of Innistrad when behind, it's about as useful to you as a computer is to a kitten. Elspeth remains the finisher of choice for control; Aetherling the 'maybe I need Slaughter Games insurance' backup.
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The Slivers have their old design.
"OH GOD MY BRAIN IS EXPLOADING AT HOW BAD THE ART IS ON MY OWN CARD"
-A friend's first impression of Ancestral Recall
10/10, I tapped.
Sliver Hive is tight though, I definitely want to get a few and get my jankiness on..
Yeah, the article kinda goes out of its way to mention that. Hard to miss.
God I know right?
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RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
See I would happily pay more to get an actual reanimation effect
I dunno, when the article specifically mentions one of the big deal makers with this guy being "oh your opponent only has so much removal, and even if they use it on this guy you still got the creatures out of him" and he is completely outclassed at doing that by a creature that actually puts things into play rather than you basically having to wait another turn or two (most likely) to get any of the creatures you grabbed with him back out....yeah, it's kinda bad. Especially at mythic.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Edit: Yeah, the "you get value even if it gets killed!" isn't the main attraction here, it's the "graveyard recursion effect with flashback" part. Anytime you have a recursion effect that works when you mill it, that's worth taking notice of.
I think Soul of Ravnica is more likely for me. Being able to Flash in a flyer seems better to me than a 6/6 deathtouch, and 7 mana for 3 cards seems like a fine mana sink.
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Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Try Urza's Factory if you haven't (though it doesn't work great with Skullclamp
But yeah, I wish this could make a token for any deck.
How valuable is a 1/1 Sliver token in a non-Sliver deck, anyway?
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Soul of Innistrad... Eh, I feel like he pitched it to the wrong people. The thing is too mana intensive for standard... for Commander, however...
Phyrexian Reclamation is one of my all time favorite Commander cards. In a single card format full of ways to make critters dead, repeatable recursion, even to the hand, is the king. I'd definitely run this in an EDH deck.
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Seems like M15 will be the planeswalker lottery once again.
On the plus side, I can't see how the Planeswalkers won't be the seeded pack Mythics.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
There are some other cards in this set that will probably be good trade bait as well, and some cards that are interesting and might geniunely be good.
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HHeartless combo!!!
it's sort of confirmed right ? for the new jace, new nissa, new ajani, and the old liliana vess
Hated the new ones on Shandalar. I believe this bunch may have came from elsewhere, or creative has erase them like what Bryan Singer did to the Last Stand.
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If you cast Soul of Innistrad when behind, it's about as useful to you as a computer is to a kitten. Elspeth remains the finisher of choice for control; Aetherling the 'maybe I need Slaughter Games insurance' backup.