For those debating it, the last batch of sample decks did have rtr block rares in them that didnt get reprints in the core set. Red for example had a guttersnipe.
The argument (which hadn't occurred to me before, but seems very reasonable in retrospect) is that this time is different because of the new borders. Some of the cards will have to have M15 borders, and it would be unprecedented to mix the border types in a single precon. The same phenomenon apparently happened with the 8th edition border change.
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I primarily play limited, so most of my spoiler season comments view cards through that lens.
Thats cool lets break in new players by introducing them to complicated and wonky legality and formatting.
Cool they get all the famous creatures from yesteryear though.
Oh yeah, it's so complicated and wonky, this legality of cards with the M15 stamp being legal whenever M15 is legal....
....
The only slightly annoying part is how to obtain them, NOT when they are legal or not.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
A kithkin in a Core set? Weird. Could mean nothing, or it could be a hint for what's to come in Tarkir.
Or we are going back to Innistrad and we will, somehow, have Kithkin wererats.
kithkins aren't from innistrad they are from lorwyn/shadowmoor
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Huey, Dewey and Louie are always dressed in RUG. it is CLEARLY going to be the wedges block Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Kithkin amrou would like to speak to u long before lorwyn. ..u never know
yeah I imagined someone would bring this up, but we know very well that old sets aren't a really good indication of what to expect from present days sets
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Huey, Dewey and Louie are always dressed in RUG. it is CLEARLY going to be the wedges block Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Thats cool lets break in new players by introducing them to complicated and wonky legality and formatting.
Cool they get all the famous creatures from yesteryear though.
Oh yeah, it's so complicated and wonky, this legality of cards with the M15 stamp being legal whenever M15 is legal...
The only slightly annoying part is how to obtain them, NOT when they are legal or not.
Even obtaining these would be fine IF THERE WEREN'T NEW CARDS IN THEM! I'm very annoyed there are new cards that won't be available in anything other than the starter decks. What if one is constructed playable? The "starter" decks will be ripped apart by old players for these scarce cards. They'd better be all unplayable because that's asking for trouble otherwise. That's aside from the fact forcing standard legality is unnecessary.
Thats cool lets break in new players by introducing them to complicated and wonky legality and formatting.
Cool they get all the famous creatures from yesteryear though.
Oh yeah, it's so complicated and wonky, this legality of cards with the M15 stamp being legal whenever M15 is legal...
The only slightly annoying part is how to obtain them, NOT when they are legal or not.
Even obtaining these would be fine IF THERE WEREN'T NEW CARDS IN THEM! I'm very annoyed there are new cards that won't be available in anything other than the starter decks. What if one is constructed playable? The "starter" decks will be ripped apart by old players for these scarce cards. They'd better be all unplayable because that's asking for trouble otherwise. That's aside from the fact forcing standard legality is unnecessary.
None of the cards in these are only available from these decks. Every single card is still available from some booster pack, it's just that some of the reprints won't be in M15 boosters.
Sure. So when they become standard legal they'll only be from the "noob" decks. Again, that could cause the old sharky vets to scoop up certain cards--again, unless they're all unplayable in constructed, which we should be hoping for.
Sure. So when they become standard legal they'll only be from the "noob" decks. Again, that could cause the old sharky vets to scoop up certain cards--again, unless they're all unplayable in constructed, which we should be hoping for.
Sharks are going to scoop up decks for cards worth less a dollar? The entire point of these cards not being in M15 boosters is that they don't want the commons/uncommons defining M15 limited and they don't want dirt cheap rares wasting rare slots. The cards not being reprinted are all cheap cards that vets don't want to open.
Sure. So when they become standard legal they'll only be from the "noob" decks. Again, that could cause the old sharky vets to scoop up certain cards--again, unless they're all unplayable in constructed, which we should be hoping for.
Sharks are going to scoop up decks for cards worth less a dollar? The entire point of these cards not being in M15 boosters is that they don't want the commons/uncommons defining M15 limited and they don't want dirt cheap rares wasting rare slots. The cards not being reprinted are all cheap cards that vets don't want to open.
Exactly, it's a win-win for everyone. New players get to see some cool and iconic cards, veteran players get a nostalgia kick, and none have to put up with these underpowered cards flooding their M15 boosters.
So basically, these fifteen cards are declared unplayable in Standard / Constructed, then?
I mean, you -could-, but I assume the real point of this is understanding and accepting power creep in that "nobody wants to pull these cards from their packs."
Cancel has me the most interested; either there will be a replacement, or the only counters in M15 will be situational?
What????? Why????
We love to open booster with those junk rares it's make our adrenaline pump
when someone open booster and got chases while the other open and smile with shivan dragon?
Please bring them back to booster we like the old days
So basically, these fifteen cards are declared unplayable in Standard / Constructed, then?
I mean, you -could-, but I assume the real point of this is understanding and accepting power creep in that "nobody wants to pull these cards from their packs."
Cancel has me the most interested; either there will be a replacement, or the only counters in M15 will be situational?
I think it's just that most players already have tons of Cancels, and there was more exciting stuff to put in the set.
I don't see why everyone is harping on Aegis Angel being a big deal, Aegis Angel is a reprint, you can get a ton of them for dirt cheap from M12 right now, lol.
I don't see her rising in price. M12 had a fairly large print run. I can still find boosters of it for MSRP in walmarts. :/
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As a green mage, I am outrageously excited for terra stomper. That dude could seriously do some work with nykthos.
I'm playing Green Nykthos Stompy deck right now and I'd instanty add a few Terra Stompers in there...
I think it is interesting that these extra cards are cards that they do not anticipate will see tournament play. What does that tell us about the meta post-rotation? Will green get a better toy to play with, or will devotion strategies be completely non-viable (if so why?)?
I know that I've read in some other threads that this would be insane as this would definitely push an already top-tier deck in Standard (Mono-Black) even over the top.
I currently have an extra copy an I'm on the fence on selling her while she's still at her current price. I kept one copy for EDH-purposes and I (or my playgroup) don't plan on using her in Modern or Legacy.
Everyone's thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!
there is this Shaman of Spring and many other reprints...
also angel will only become valuable n in demand if it can see serious constructed....
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Oh yeah, it's so complicated and wonky, this legality of cards with the M15 stamp being legal whenever M15 is legal....
....
The only slightly annoying part is how to obtain them, NOT when they are legal or not.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
kithkins aren't from innistrad they are from lorwyn/shadowmoor
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
yeah I imagined someone would bring this up, but we know very well that old sets aren't a really good indication of what to expect from present days sets
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Or you could just avoid the obvious joke, albeit a bad one obviously, there.
Even obtaining these would be fine IF THERE WEREN'T NEW CARDS IN THEM! I'm very annoyed there are new cards that won't be available in anything other than the starter decks. What if one is constructed playable? The "starter" decks will be ripped apart by old players for these scarce cards. They'd better be all unplayable because that's asking for trouble otherwise. That's aside from the fact forcing standard legality is unnecessary.
None of the cards in these are only available from these decks. Every single card is still available from some booster pack, it's just that some of the reprints won't be in M15 boosters.
Sharks are going to scoop up decks for cards worth less a dollar? The entire point of these cards not being in M15 boosters is that they don't want the commons/uncommons defining M15 limited and they don't want dirt cheap rares wasting rare slots. The cards not being reprinted are all cheap cards that vets don't want to open.
Exactly, it's a win-win for everyone. New players get to see some cool and iconic cards, veteran players get a nostalgia kick, and none have to put up with these underpowered cards flooding their M15 boosters.
I mean, you -could-, but I assume the real point of this is understanding and accepting power creep in that "nobody wants to pull these cards from their packs."
Cancel has me the most interested; either there will be a replacement, or the only counters in M15 will be situational?
We love to open booster with those junk rares it's make our adrenaline pump
when someone open booster and got chases while the other open and smile with shivan dragon?
Please bring them back to booster we like the old days
I think it's just that most players already have tons of Cancels, and there was more exciting stuff to put in the set.
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I don't see her rising in price. M12 had a fairly large print run. I can still find boosters of it for MSRP in walmarts. :/
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I'm playing Green Nykthos Stompy deck right now and I'd instanty add a few Terra Stompers in there...
I think it is interesting that these extra cards are cards that they do not anticipate will see tournament play. What does that tell us about the meta post-rotation? Will green get a better toy to play with, or will devotion strategies be completely non-viable (if so why?)?
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I know that I've read in some other threads that this would be insane as this would definitely push an already top-tier deck in Standard (Mono-Black) even over the top.
I currently have an extra copy an I'm on the fence on selling her while she's still at her current price. I kept one copy for EDH-purposes and I (or my playgroup) don't plan on using her in Modern or Legacy.
Everyone's thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!