Praying to the Old Gods, The Seven, Serra, The Therosian Gods that they source from the Magic's deep and rich lore and do not make something that's "based from the series".
Coz we know how well such things fared for some films.
Magic's deep and rich lore. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
If I were you, I'd refrain from making comments on topic you are apparently entirely ignorant in.
While the "new" magic lore (basically from introduction of the neowalkers) is rather shallow, the old stories like Brothers' War, The Thran, the first two thirds of the Weatherlighs saga (esp. Nemesis) are high quality and incredibly well-fleshed and well-written books.
So again, if you don't know a thing about it, don't ridicule it...
Nah. I've been around for a while and I know the story. It's really kind of dumb. luckily the actual game is fun, because magic's writers are no Mark Twain.
I sincerely doubt that you "know", pal. And unless you are a Ph.D. in classical literature (that I doubt as well you are), this snobbish attitude of yours is amusing.
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Praying to the Old Gods, The Seven, Serra, The Therosian Gods that they source from the Magic's deep and rich lore and do not make something that's "based from the series".
Coz we know how well such things fared for some films.
Magic's deep and rich lore. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
If I were you, I'd refrain from making comments on topic you are apparently entirely ignorant in.
While the "new" magic lore (basically from introduction of the neowalkers) is rather shallow, the old stories like Brothers' War, The Thran, the first two thirds of the Weatherlighs saga (esp. Nemesis) are high quality and incredibly well-fleshed and well-written books.
So again, if you don't know a thing about it, don't ridicule it...
Nah. I've been around for a while and I know the story. It's really kind of dumb. luckily the actual game is fun, because magic's writers are no Mark Twain.
I sincerely doubt that you "know", pal. And unless you are a Ph.D. in classical literature (that I doubt as well you are), this snobbish attitude of yours is amusing.
I own some of those books. They were great when I was 13, along with all my Star Wars novels. But now that I'm not 13 anymore and I've developed what can only be described as good taste I realize I may not have actually known what was good back then.
I know I have extremely picky taste in fiction. I hate George R. R. Martin, I think he's kind of a creepy hack. I didn't even like Tolkein that much, though I can understand why others would. And it's fine to enjoy Magic's fiction, but come on. You cannot call any of Magic's back story as "lore," much less describe it as "deep and rich."
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Magic's deep and rich lore. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
If I were you, I'd refrain from making comments on topic you are apparently entirely ignorant in.
While the "new" magic lore (basically from introduction of the neowalkers) is rather shallow, the old stories like Brothers' War, The Thran, the first two thirds of the Weatherlighs saga (esp. Nemesis) are high quality and incredibly well-fleshed and well-written books.
So again, if you don't know a thing about it, don't ridicule it...
Nah. I've been around for a while and I know the story. It's really kind of dumb. luckily the actual game is fun, because magic's writers are no Mark Twain.
I sincerely doubt that you "know", pal. And unless you are a Ph.D. in classical literature (that I doubt as well you are), this snobbish attitude of yours is amusing.
I own some of those books. They were great when I was 13, along with all my Star Wars novels. But now that I'm not 13 anymore and I've developed what can only be described as good taste I realize I may not have actually known what was good back then.
I know I have extremely picky taste in fiction. I hate George R. R. Martin, I think he's kind of a creepy hack. I didn't even like Tolkein that much, though I can understand why others would. And it's fine to enjoy Magic's fiction, but come on. You cannot call any of Magic's back story as "lore," much less describe it as "deep and rich."
Now, that's more constructive debate.
I have read numerous fantasy and sci-fi series. Star Trek. Star Wars. Warhammer 40K. Tolkien. Game of Thrones, Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Wheel of Time, etc. etc., so I have good base for comparing.
Yet I have a kind spot in my heart for the old Magic novels, especially Thran, Brothers' War and much of the Artifacts cycle, and yes, I would call those novels, especially Jeff Grubb's works, "deep", "rich", and "lore". Masques and Nemesis were also fine.
I also enjoyed works by Scott McGough and Cory Herndon - Legends II, Kamigawa, Ravnica I. Not Grubb's level, but still very enjoyable and "rich".
From then, it went downward and ended with the dross of Quest for Karn and Teeth of Akoum. Doug Beyer's attempt on a book in Alara Unbroken is commendable, but when you lack the basic skills, no amount of well-meant effort will save you.
In short, I don't agree one cannot call ANY of Magic stories deep, rich and "lore". Some of them were very good.
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Not going to see it, no matter what. I bet it goes direct to DVD, or it'll be packaged with the next Duel Deck or included with the next Holiday Box. I don't understand how anyone can see this as anything BUT a quick cash grab while Magic is a hot property. It will pander to every stereotype about Magic, have dialogue meant for 8 year olds and still have very little to do with Magic. Like Mario Brothers. How could that be anything but garbage.
It really boils down to who handles the movie and how much research they put in. And for something that has been successful for the past 20+ years there should hopeful be someone who realizes that this is possibly a cash cow. Magic does offer a multitude of settings, and if done right offers a healthy starting fan base to support such a branching off of the franchise.
But then again Hollywood can be pants on head crazy and Fox can't seem to have trouble holding on to successful franchises.
My guess is they'll take a block and do a movie based on the block with the big 5 planeswalkers as pivotal characters...I'm guessing everything plotwise that's happening is a setup for the film.
Cards with film stills for art...this is going to be weird.
By the way, did anyone see Battleship? Was that any good?
So I would like to respond to a few points, hopefully all at once. For this film/franchise to be successful it is going to have to be great fantasy, not merely good fantasy or acceptable fantasy. The writers can take material that is there and transform it into great fantasy, but they are going to have to work hard no matter which story they go with; existing or brand new. In order to attract the average audience, you will need to have a somewhat trope-y plot that involves a romance and is cast with at least a few popular actors/actresses that aren't terrible at acting/box office kryptonite. It can't pander too much,, lest you risk alienating your core audience, but at the same time it can't be too fan-service-y lest it deter the average viewer they are trying to attract.
All this being said, I think the writers/director/producers have a gigantic task before them, as Magic's story (regardless of era) is acceptable fantasy at the very best. They world build great, but tend to not fill those worlds with anything but the most mediocre fantasy tales. The writers are going to have trouble taking any of the existing stories to make a successful movie out of them. Some of the planeswalkers have the ability to be successful as characters, but it really has to be about those characters.
If you ask me, they would help themselves by taking a strong female planeswalker and making her the protagonist, with a strong but supportive male character as a romantic interest. Also by making the antagonist an otherworldly baddy, along the lines of Nicol Bolas or the Eldrazi. Fan service very little, other than maybe as a few support characters that we know and are introducing the audience to for future use, and maybe a few iconic creatures that the players know. However, for the love of all that is holy, DO NOT have the characters calling out the name of the spells they are casting. I CANNOT stress this enough.
As much as I enjoy a good fantasy casting, I feel like this movie needs to be cast with real actors and actresses. I love Benedict Cumberbatch and Tom Hiddleston almost as much as my wife, but the casting needs to have chemistry and not just be a collection of random nerd actors or bad actors (often the two lists overlap).
I am sure I will think of a bunch of extra points I would have liked to have covered once I hit the "Post Reply", but this is what I have for now.
I continue to think that the best possible way to do this movie would be to adapt Agents of Artifice.
Most of it takes place on Ravnica which would be fairly easy to do though I would change the scenes on Kamigawa for somewhere else to avoid having to show Nezumi.
It contains Jace (the face) and his backstory
It has Liliana as a romantic interest
It has Tezzeret and Nicol Bolas as the antagonists
Plus there was plenty of action in the book.
Seems like a slam dunk to me
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Praying to the Old Gods, The Seven, Serra, The Therosian Gods that they source from the Magic's deep and rich lore and do not make something that's "based from the series".
Coz we know how well such things fared for some films.
Magic's deep and rich lore. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
Well let's be honest, there's a pretty nice catalogue of backstory and "lore" which they can pull from. It's not the deepest, but it's pretty good all the same, wouldn't you agree?
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Praying to the Old Gods, The Seven, Serra, The Therosian Gods that they source from the Magic's deep and rich lore and do not make something that's "based from the series".
Coz we know how well such things fared for some films.
Magic's deep and rich lore. Hahaha, that's hilarious.
Well let's be honest, there's a pretty nice catalogue of backstory and "lore" which they can pull from. It's not the deepest, but it's pretty good all the same, wouldn't you agree?
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Maro has experience with film writing and the industry in general (He'd be a show-writer if not for Magic). How much power he has in this matter is debatable, but he of all people in R&D would understand what's at stake here.
Also, Maro is really busy, so to be involved in the film would mean less time on his usual stuff.
Honestly, since its a MTG movie i think theyll do something similar to what yugioh and pokemon did, and that was to give out promos. If thats the case then i'll probably see it anyway, and i don't think WOTC wouldnt use this opportunity to boost the movie sales through pieces of cardboard.
Well, coming soon.net has some photos from a licensing expo they were invited to and the coming soon poster for the MTG movie has Garruk front and center. Does not confirm anything though as it could be a placeholder poster.
Honestly, since its a MTG movie i think theyll do something similar to what yugioh and pokemon did, and that was to give out promos. If thats the case then i'll probably see it anyway, and i don't think WOTC wouldnt use this opportunity to boost the movie sales through pieces of cardboard.
Unless the movie somehow accidentally doesn't end up being lowest-common-denominator look-at-all-this-meaningless-spectacle tripe, I'd buy a ticket, get my promo, then leave without watching the movie. I'd say I'd pick up an Icee or something, but those are way too expensive at theaters.
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I sincerely doubt that you "know", pal. And unless you are a Ph.D. in classical literature (that I doubt as well you are), this snobbish attitude of yours is amusing.
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A) Broods a lot.
B) Slightly emo look.
C) Fairly handsome.
D) Troubled backstory.
Yep hes Hollywood material.
I own some of those books. They were great when I was 13, along with all my Star Wars novels. But now that I'm not 13 anymore and I've developed what can only be described as good taste I realize I may not have actually known what was good back then.
I know I have extremely picky taste in fiction. I hate George R. R. Martin, I think he's kind of a creepy hack. I didn't even like Tolkein that much, though I can understand why others would. And it's fine to enjoy Magic's fiction, but come on. You cannot call any of Magic's back story as "lore," much less describe it as "deep and rich."
― Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West
Now, that's more constructive debate.
I have read numerous fantasy and sci-fi series. Star Trek. Star Wars. Warhammer 40K. Tolkien. Game of Thrones, Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Wheel of Time, etc. etc., so I have good base for comparing.
Yet I have a kind spot in my heart for the old Magic novels, especially Thran, Brothers' War and much of the Artifacts cycle, and yes, I would call those novels, especially Jeff Grubb's works, "deep", "rich", and "lore". Masques and Nemesis were also fine.
I also enjoyed works by Scott McGough and Cory Herndon - Legends II, Kamigawa, Ravnica I. Not Grubb's level, but still very enjoyable and "rich".
From then, it went downward and ended with the dross of Quest for Karn and Teeth of Akoum. Doug Beyer's attempt on a book in Alara Unbroken is commendable, but when you lack the basic skills, no amount of well-meant effort will save you.
In short, I don't agree one cannot call ANY of Magic stories deep, rich and "lore". Some of them were very good.
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But then again Hollywood can be pants on head crazy and Fox can't seem to have trouble holding on to successful franchises.
Cards with film stills for art...this is going to be weird.
By the way, did anyone see Battleship? Was that any good?
Is this a genuine question, are you trying to make a comparison?
All this being said, I think the writers/director/producers have a gigantic task before them, as Magic's story (regardless of era) is acceptable fantasy at the very best. They world build great, but tend to not fill those worlds with anything but the most mediocre fantasy tales. The writers are going to have trouble taking any of the existing stories to make a successful movie out of them. Some of the planeswalkers have the ability to be successful as characters, but it really has to be about those characters.
If you ask me, they would help themselves by taking a strong female planeswalker and making her the protagonist, with a strong but supportive male character as a romantic interest. Also by making the antagonist an otherworldly baddy, along the lines of Nicol Bolas or the Eldrazi. Fan service very little, other than maybe as a few support characters that we know and are introducing the audience to for future use, and maybe a few iconic creatures that the players know. However, for the love of all that is holy, DO NOT have the characters calling out the name of the spells they are casting. I CANNOT stress this enough.
As much as I enjoy a good fantasy casting, I feel like this movie needs to be cast with real actors and actresses. I love Benedict Cumberbatch and Tom Hiddleston almost as much as my wife, but the casting needs to have chemistry and not just be a collection of random nerd actors or bad actors (often the two lists overlap).
I am sure I will think of a bunch of extra points I would have liked to have covered once I hit the "Post Reply", but this is what I have for now.
Most of it takes place on Ravnica which would be fairly easy to do though I would change the scenes on Kamigawa for somewhere else to avoid having to show Nezumi.
It contains Jace (the face) and his backstory
It has Liliana as a romantic interest
It has Tezzeret and Nicol Bolas as the antagonists
Plus there was plenty of action in the book.
Seems like a slam dunk to me
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Well let's be honest, there's a pretty nice catalogue of backstory and "lore" which they can pull from. It's not the deepest, but it's pretty good all the same, wouldn't you agree?
Well let's be honest, there's a pretty nice catalogue of backstory and "lore" which they can pull from. It's not the deepest, but it's pretty good all the same, wouldn't you agree?
Also, Maro is really busy, so to be involved in the film would mean less time on his usual stuff.
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Unless the movie somehow accidentally doesn't end up being lowest-common-denominator look-at-all-this-meaningless-spectacle tripe, I'd buy a ticket, get my promo, then leave without watching the movie. I'd say I'd pick up an Icee or something, but those are way too expensive at theaters.
Interesting, the poster next to it seems to have the Hasbro logo under it as well, I wonder what's on it.
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