I am glad to see so many people saying that this sucks. For cube owners it's pretty awesome with a reprint of Rolling Earthquake and Burning of Xinye both of which push red into having more than just aggro dudes and burn. Foil Armageddon is also pretty awesome although I was personally really hoping for a Ravages of war reprint. The Smokestack will be really cool to have in paper because that art looks really cool to me and I had to trade my previous one away. All in all i'm extremely satisfied with this FTV and i'll definitely be picking one up at my LCS even though they are always marked up to avoid people turning around and selling them right back to the store.
I am glad to see so many people saying that this sucks. For cube owners it's pretty awesome with a reprint of Rolling Earthquake and Burning of Xinye both of which push red into having more than just aggro dudes and burn. Foil Armageddon is also pretty awesome although I was personally really hoping for a Ravages of war reprint. The Smokestack will be really cool to have in paper because that art looks really cool to me and I had to trade my previous one away. All in all i'm extremely satisfied with this FTV and i'll definitely be picking one up at my LCS even though they are always marked up to avoid people turning around and selling them right back to the store.
I definitely agree. This was a great cube product because it has some pretty difficult cards to get, and a few new foils. I think this is a great product.
Finaly they maked a good productXMSRP that scalpers will not give a leg to get
Thank god, I want to get a FtV at MSRP, not at the stupid overpriced costs. I mean, only reason FtV 20 is so high because of Jace. I really hated that card and I disliked how the foiling on that set was the worst of all FtV sets.
I do hope they use the m15 foiling process, that's amazing. I've got a foil spectra ward and I love it.
I'd still not expect it to go for MSRP even with less appealing cards for most Buurning of Xinye is 100 on SCG right now and Rolling Earthquake is at 150.
Despite it being called fake I've always had a feeling this had a good chance of being real. Less than 50% though, as the way photos were done (distorted) is exactly matching some previously known fakes. Likely the poster used the same crappy phone camera or automated image enhancing software as fakers before.
I'd still not expect it to go for MSRP even with less appealing cards for most Buurning of Xinye is 100 on SCG right now and Rolling Earthquake is at 150.
Both cards were only printed once and are casual favorites...
Burning of Xinye althought its a $80+ card now it has this price only cause its hard to find and people like this card , but otherwise its not competitive soo its price is only based on its rarity
I'd still not expect it to go for MSRP even with less appealing cards for most Buurning of Xinye is 100 on SCG right now and Rolling Earthquake is at 150.
Both cards were only printed once and are casual favorites...
Burning of Xinye althought its a $80+ card now it has this price only cause its hard to find and people like this card , but otherwise its not competitive soo its price is only based on its rarity
Basically, if you want to open packs to get cards for Standard and Modern, the simpler approach is to just buy all the singles you need and then set some money on fire to make up the difference.
Rolling earthquake won't sustain a big price tag in the new foil version. I'd expect it to go for under 30 with ease if not lower as it's used exclusively in cube and sometimes EDH as legacy and vintage don't care for the card. Burning of xinye is in the same boat. Burning was also 40 for quite some time before it spiked. I expect it to be under 20 with ease.
Solid list. Sad about lack of damnation, but it is solid nonetheless.
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Rolling earthquake won't sustain a big price tag in the new foil version. I'd expect it to go for under 30 with ease if not lower as it's used exclusively in cube and sometimes EDH as legacy and vintage don't care for the card. Burning of xinye is in the same boat. Burning was also 40 for quite some time before it spiked. I expect it to be under 20 with ease.
Solid list. Sad about lack of damnation, but it is solid nonetheless.
The issue with Damnation is that once you put that in, this does become an immediate $50 product, so if you also include the P3K cards, we're looking at a $100 product with the other new cards that have never been foiled. As is, we're probably looking at something like a $50-$75 product after a couple of months.
Rolling earthquake won't sustain a big price tag in the new foil version. I'd expect it to go for under 30 with ease if not lower as it's used exclusively in cube and sometimes EDH as legacy and vintage don't care for the card. Burning of xinye is in the same boat. Burning was also 40 for quite some time before it spiked. I expect it to be under 20 with ease.
Solid list. Sad about lack of damnation, but it is solid nonetheless.
The issue with Damnation is that once you put that in, this does become an immediate $50 product, so if you also include the P3K cards, we're looking at a $100 product with the other new cards that have never been foiled. As is, we're probably looking at something like a $50-$75 product after a couple of months.
The other issues is that as amazing as a foiled Damnation inclusion would be, it wouldn't really do much to help the price, especially since Damnation is often a 3-4 of in decks that want it. I would still like to see it in the set followed by a reprinting in the next MM (or whatever) set, though. Most FTV sets end up being $100+ sets anyway, don't they? At least initially. So I guess this set wouldn't really be that different if Damnation were included.
Rolling earthquake won't sustain a big price tag in the new foil version. I'd expect it to go for under 30 with ease if not lower as it's used exclusively in cube and sometimes EDH as legacy and vintage don't care for the card. Burning of xinye is in the same boat. Burning was also 40 for quite some time before it spiked. I expect it to be under 20 with ease.
Solid list. Sad about lack of damnation, but it is solid nonetheless.
The issue with Damnation is that once you put that in, this does become an immediate $50 product, so if you also include the P3K cards, we're looking at a $100 product with the other new cards that have never been foiled. As is, we're probably looking at something like a $50-$75 product after a couple of months.
The other issues is that as amazing as a foiled Damnation inclusion would be, it wouldn't really do much to help the price, especially since Damnation is often a 3-4 of in decks that want it. I would still like to see it in the set followed by a reprinting in the next MM (or whatever) set, though. Most FTV sets end up being $100+ sets anyway, don't they? At least initially. So I guess this set wouldn't really be that different if Damnation were included.
It wouldn't be different from most other FTVs, but I think this one will be a little different because a lot of the cards other than the P2K ones are widely available, which supply was the only issues with those. So having a great product that increases the supply of great Cube cards, while also having a product that will be relatively affordable seems pretty nice for the players, and stores should still be able to sell them for around $70 I think, so they will still get some benefit from them too. It kind of addresses a lot of the issues the player base has had with the old FTVs while still provided a thank you to stores.
Damnation will be reprinted soon. Either MM next year or the black CMDR deck.
Hmm... I can't tell if it's fake or not. On the one hand it was posted before that art was revealed, but on the other hand it seems very suspicious that none of the holographic foils are in the image + the fact that its so blurry. I hope damnation ends up being in Khans if its not going to be in this From the Vaults.
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Hmm... I can't tell if it's fake or not. On the one hand it was posted before that art was revealed, but on the other hand it seems very suspicious that none of the holographic foils are in the image + the fact that its so blurry. I hope damnation ends up being in Khans if its not going to be in this From the Vaults.
100% it won't be. 4 mana unconditional Wrath's are not black. They don't put the non-regeneration clause on Wraths anymore. It will only be reprinted in supplemental products unless they change both of those change.
This will be $45 by christsmass.
I only want the armaggedon.
I really hope you're joking in thinking that this will only be $45. Even if it is, by far, the worst FTV ever, it still has foil Rolling Earthquake and Burning of Xin.
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I was hoping this list was as fake as it appeared to be, but sadly the confirmed new arts means that this is pretty much guaranteed to be real.
No Damnation
No Ravages of War (this would have been a great inclusion over Armageddon for us Cubers)
Oh well, at least I can get a Burning for probably $5-15 now. We'll probably see Ravages as a Judge Promo in the next year or so, if I had to guess.
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This is absolutely the correct list, and always has been, and the mods continual refusal to admit that has been rather astonishing.
You used debatable evidence of fonts on a printed insert sheet, not the actual cards, when we know WotC changes fonts for things like preview cards already.
You ignored things like the correct layout and format and new artwork and sensible setlist and even the completely puzzling omission of Virtue's Ruin from Vintage Masters that all piled up evidence in its favor.
There were a number of reasons to question the authenticity of the original picture, including the font and the fact that the cards were positioned in such a way that the only card we could see the entirety of was the Wrath of God we had already seen, and every other card had its hologram obscured, every new art was partially obscured, it was blurry, etc. We made the call that we felt was correct. In the end, we were incorrect. We're only humans, and we are capable of making mistakes.
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The mods made the right call at the time. It's easy to say it was a mistake with 20/20 hindsight. But when you're the premier website where almost all the rest of the web pulls their info from, that split decision on whether it's real or not becomes much harder. I'd rather have people be sure that when we post something, they can trust it's real than just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Sure we'll occasionally declare something fake when it's real, but we don't get people hyped up on something that won't be happening that way.
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I agree mods have a hard job, but the forum is called "Rumor Mill". Yes all of the official announcements go here, but no one was asking to stamp it official. The "many reasons to be skeptical" were baseless if you spent 5 minutes with the thing. I feel like the biggest reason it was debunked was the lack of damnation, which is silly.
I definitely agree. This was a great cube product because it has some pretty difficult cards to get, and a few new foils. I think this is a great product.
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Thank god, I want to get a FtV at MSRP, not at the stupid overpriced costs. I mean, only reason FtV 20 is so high because of Jace. I really hated that card and I disliked how the foiling on that set was the worst of all FtV sets.
I do hope they use the m15 foiling process, that's amazing. I've got a foil spectra ward and I love it.
Both cards were only printed once and are casual favorites...
http://magiccards.info/p3k/en/56.html
http://magiccards.info/fvl/en/12.html
http://magiccards.info/c13/en/149.html
http://magiccards.info/p3k/en/137.html
http://magiccards.info/c13/en/49.html
http://magiccards.info/p3k/en/48.html
from data we can have a better idea:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Portal Three Kingdoms/Hua Tuo Honored Physician#paper ( this card's price is stable but you have the highest price before gtc $102 and lowest at $40 sometime afte commander 2 release)(the commander copy is under $1 ...)
but yeah we should do this with a card that only saw a reprint in a FTV product...:
Sun Quan, Lord of Wu after FTV printing it was a $16 card(FTV version) and now in under $7 ranger(it goes under $4 sometimes)
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Sun Quan, Lord of Wu&partner=MAGCINFO
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/From the Vault Legends/Sun Quan Lord of Wu#paper
Burning of Xinye althought its a $80+ card now it has this price only cause its hard to find and people like this card , but otherwise its not competitive soo its price is only based on its rarity
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Burning of Xinye&sn=Portal Three Kingdoms
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Hua Tuo, Honored Physician&sn=Portal Three Kingdoms
P@K cards are only pricy cause of its limited print run
I expect Rolling Earthquake to retain some of its value, as it's functionally the only X burn spell that hits everything, including fliers.
Solid list. Sad about lack of damnation, but it is solid nonetheless.
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The issue with Damnation is that once you put that in, this does become an immediate $50 product, so if you also include the P3K cards, we're looking at a $100 product with the other new cards that have never been foiled. As is, we're probably looking at something like a $50-$75 product after a couple of months.
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The other issues is that as amazing as a foiled Damnation inclusion would be, it wouldn't really do much to help the price, especially since Damnation is often a 3-4 of in decks that want it. I would still like to see it in the set followed by a reprinting in the next MM (or whatever) set, though. Most FTV sets end up being $100+ sets anyway, don't they? At least initially. So I guess this set wouldn't really be that different if Damnation were included.
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It wouldn't be different from most other FTVs, but I think this one will be a little different because a lot of the cards other than the P2K ones are widely available, which supply was the only issues with those. So having a great product that increases the supply of great Cube cards, while also having a product that will be relatively affordable seems pretty nice for the players, and stores should still be able to sell them for around $70 I think, so they will still get some benefit from them too. It kind of addresses a lot of the issues the player base has had with the old FTVs while still provided a thank you to stores.
Damnation will be reprinted soon. Either MM next year or the black CMDR deck.
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WRBoros Aggro (Glorious knights of badassery)
RBRakdos Bloodthirst (Undercosted waves of fat s***)
URIzzet Talrand/Pyromancer (b/c I hate you)
GRGruul Ramp and Stomp (SO FAT. SO FAST. RAWRRR)
GBGolgari Birthing Pod (b/c you wanted a challenge. I did warn you this BS is banned though)
BWOrzhov Lifegain Aggro (Removal for dayzzz)
WGSelesnya Tribal Golem-splicers/token (meh. Needs more upgrades. Perhaps switching to bant?)
WUAzorius Flicker (b/c I wanna annoy the f*** outta you)
GUSimic Evolve Aggro (Aggro takes a journey to the weird side of the color pie)
BUDimir Control (b/c I wanna peel your skin off and flay you within an inch of life before I kill you)
URWJeskai Ascendency Tokens (MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
RWBMardu Warriors (Butcher is da bomb)
GU Simic Morph (slow as s*** but oh so fun)
WBGAbzan Dredge-animator (PURE EVIL)
GWHexproof Aggro (Deal with it. Lemme guess, you cant?)
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UBRNekusar (Multiplayer MONSTA. 1v1 Klutz)
GRB Prossh (Set up engines. WRECK FACE)
GEzuri (Hey so I heard you liked Elves...)
UTalrand (Counter. Cantrip. Counter. Cantrip. Repeat till opponents die-- possibly of boredom)
Tiny leaders
WUDaxos (basic 3/1 fliers do basic s***. Also Daxos)
RWAnax and Cymede (Heroic weenie beats)
Standard
RRMONO RED AGGRO (RAWWWRRRR!!!!)
WUHeroic Aggro (Easy mode beatstick)
100% it won't be. 4 mana unconditional Wrath's are not black. They don't put the non-regeneration clause on Wraths anymore. It will only be reprinted in supplemental products unless they change both of those change.
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I only want the armaggedon.
I really hope you're joking in thinking that this will only be $45. Even if it is, by far, the worst FTV ever, it still has foil Rolling Earthquake and Burning of Xin.
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No Damnation
No Ravages of War (this would have been a great inclusion over Armageddon for us Cubers)
Oh well, at least I can get a Burning for probably $5-15 now. We'll probably see Ravages as a Judge Promo in the next year or so, if I had to guess.
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You used debatable evidence of fonts on a printed insert sheet, not the actual cards, when we know WotC changes fonts for things like preview cards already.
You ignored things like the correct layout and format and new artwork and sensible setlist and even the completely puzzling omission of Virtue's Ruin from Vintage Masters that all piled up evidence in its favor.
Not your best hour, mods.
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