I think there's still hope. Most promos are pegged to the normal card prices. Furthermore this is "strictly worse" art than the original. I expect it to be the same, if not a little more.
I think there's still hope. Most promos are pegged to the normal card prices. Furthermore this is "strictly worse" art than the original. I expect it to be the same, if not a little more.
Promos are pegged to normal card prices when foils already exist. I'd be looking at the judge promos of older cards that didn't have a foil version and got some sort of stylistic redo.
I think the most comparable cards are Cradle, Tutor, Crypt, and Intuition. All of which have at least a 4x Multiplier off of their original printing.
I'd shell out at 250 for them, and I know there are people with much more money who will want these much more than I would.
What are the odds that we'll start seeing some of these in the newer judge packs?
If every L2 gets exactly 1 new art FoW, then there are definitely not going to be enough to go around, even among just the competitive L2 judges. I really wouldn't mind seeing this as a promo in newer judge packs, along with the sword and phyrexianized Elesh Norn
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The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
There's absolutely nothing to celebrate about I can assure you. This is about as bad as the SDCC promos. One already stated he's willing to buy it at 350, which is more than half the entire SDCC set.
There's absolutely nothing to celebrate about I can assure you. This is about as bad as the SDCC promos. One already stated he's willing to buy it at 350, which is more than half the entire SDCC set.
This is gonna hurt real bad...
Right now FoWs availability is not what I'm worried about. Duals are off the charts now...
Wow, FoW! What more is there to say? Its first 'reprint' in 18 years, even if it is extremely scarce and won't affect the normal price at all. How many of the 5000 judges are actually level 2 or higher? Also, what about inactive judges?
Most exciting is FoW (of course) but also that art on Hanna, Ship's Navigator finally making it to physical print. I'm rather disappointed it's on such an elusive card to obtain though... I was hoping it would be more widely distributed when that version finally did see print.
So, if anyone has perfected time travel yet, let me know so I can set myself up with one of those Forces. I'd like to pick up Hanna &/or Norn as well, as they'd make for stunning Commanders. I know my brother will be sad to hear about the Sword, as he just picked up the Judge Sword of Light and Shadow last week, and now he'll want this, as well as the eventual other swords in the set.
Some judegs did little digging. There are about 1100 Level 2+ judges currently. Out of them lot of the newer judges and some of the older ones haven't certified anyone, so it's pretty safe to say that Wotc only sent 1000 or less of these out. That means 250 playsets. Several of the people getting these will also not sell thirs, so maybe 500 of them will become availlable.
I will be picking one up, but hopefully can snatch one up at 300 €, but that's mostly hoping. It should touch 4x0 €, but I guess we will see. I will instantly buy a playset if I can find them at 250 € (350$).
This dependin if DCI will only give out the 1k copies as I beleive they will. Maybe some will be given out at some events. Hopefully slabbed so those cannot be removed from the price, unlike the City of Brasses in the old price plaques. It would be pretty sweet 1st place price to keep at the fireplace mantle.
But I doubt that any significant surplus will turn up. Just check how Dark Confidant and Dark Ritual were handled. (On the other hand surprising amount of extra Judge Balances appeared to market, or judge Memory Lapse...)
To everyone freaking out about the availability of these FoWs: historically, WotC does a limited mail-out of stuff like this to judges of note, and then they are added to judge packs at a later date. They did the same thing with Dark Confidant. I wouldn't cry foul just yet.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
To everyone freaking out about the availability of these FoWs: historically, WotC does a limited mail-out of stuff like this to judges of note, and then they are added to judge packs at a later date. They did the same thing with Dark Confidant. I wouldn't cry foul just yet.
Correct. While it does say that they will be giving it to certain judges for now, they never say that they won't be part of regular judge packets. With the set number being the same formatting (4/9) as the other judge promos, I wouldn't be surprised if they released these in judge packets or continued to give them out to higher level judges in mailings.
Also they announce 8 future promos. I thought that judge promos were released in pairs so force should be one of them.
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Judging by peoples' responses, I shouldn't have any trouble picking up a Greater Good. Y'all can have your SoFaFs and FoWs (pfft I don't play blue), and I'm fine with my plain old Elesh Norn. But that Greater Good. The huge green mage in me is just jumping for joy.
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I've got four of each of the non-Force ones in hand and they look good. Elesh and Hanna in particular.
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Promos are pegged to normal card prices when foils already exist. I'd be looking at the judge promos of older cards that didn't have a foil version and got some sort of stylistic redo.
I think the most comparable cards are Cradle, Tutor, Crypt, and Intuition. All of which have at least a 4x Multiplier off of their original printing.
I'd shell out at 250 for them, and I know there are people with much more money who will want these much more than I would.
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I wouldn't say that if I knew Show and Tell, Overwhelming Forces and many more haven't had foil printings before.
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If every L2 gets exactly 1 new art FoW, then there are definitely not going to be enough to go around, even among just the competitive L2 judges. I really wouldn't mind seeing this as a promo in newer judge packs, along with the sword and phyrexianized Elesh Norn
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Man, that art for Hanna is gorgeous. Can't go wrong with Terese Nielsen.
PHYREXIAN ELESH NORNNNNNNNNN
This is gonna hurt real bad...
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Right now FoWs availability is not what I'm worried about. Duals are off the charts now...
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I hope that WoTC continues to print out cards like these even to non-judges. I'm really excited to see what players will get for the WMCQ this year.
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But we don't know how many of them will each judge receive nor whether more of them will be given in different ways in the future.
How can you be sure about that? They haven't said how many of them will be printed, just how they will be given at the beginning.
+1, I love old frame foils.
How much will both of these go for, you think?
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I will be picking one up, but hopefully can snatch one up at 300 €, but that's mostly hoping. It should touch 4x0 €, but I guess we will see. I will instantly buy a playset if I can find them at 250 € (350$).
This dependin if DCI will only give out the 1k copies as I beleive they will. Maybe some will be given out at some events. Hopefully slabbed so those cannot be removed from the price, unlike the City of Brasses in the old price plaques. It would be pretty sweet 1st place price to keep at the fireplace mantle.
But I doubt that any significant surplus will turn up. Just check how Dark Confidant and Dark Ritual were handled. (On the other hand surprising amount of extra Judge Balances appeared to market, or judge Memory Lapse...)
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Correct. While it does say that they will be giving it to certain judges for now, they never say that they won't be part of regular judge packets. With the set number being the same formatting (4/9) as the other judge promos, I wouldn't be surprised if they released these in judge packets or continued to give them out to higher level judges in mailings.
Also they announce 8 future promos. I thought that judge promos were released in pairs so force should be one of them.
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