All around good changes I think, especially letting the head judge downgrade simple mistakes on deck registration.
This one especially. Very minor errors on deck registration (have heard some real horror stories out there) should be handled in this more relaxed fashion.
That sucks though. Totally not green. Wastes paper and pencils. Plus, then i actually have to do math instead of just pressing -1 or +1 a couple of times. And it keeps nice neat track of the match time and the number of poison counters. (ya know... just in case.)
This cracked me up. How many booster wrappers and junk commons have you tossed in the garbage that a pad and pencil every so often will be the deathstroke for the planet?
That sucks though. Totally not green. Wastes paper and pencils. Plus, then i actually have to do math instead of just pressing -1 or +1 a couple of times. And it keeps nice neat track of the match time and the number of poison counters. (ya know... just in case.)
This cracked me up. How many booster wrappers and junk commons have you tossed in the garbage that a pad and pencil every so often will be the deathstroke for the planet?
You are the reads the whole the thread.
Also, i don't throw away junk commons. I love my junk commons. I do throw away a lot of booster pack wrappers.
But i guess the fact that i have thrown away more trash before means that any trash i throw away later in life that is less than that doesn't actually happen.
If that wasn't the logic of your comment then i don't understand the point of it.
In regards to the OP, throwing away booster wrapping has nothing to do with using a pencil and paper in higher level tournaments. And also, it's more reliable to use electronic devices because if my pencil breaks, i'm screwed unless i brought extra. It's a lot easier to remember the ipod i carry around every day than to specifically buy and pack a notepad and a few pencils and a sharpener, or a pen.
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Whats the big deal about black lotus you ask? Well you see, there is no big deal about it. It IS the big deal.
This seems like a step in the wrong direction. Smartphones and other devices are the way of the future. This whole situation reeks of a generation desperately trying to cling to an archaic, increasingly irrelevant way of doing business. It's only a matter of time until Magic itself is entirely digital anyway; why be so technophobic?
i know, who cheats out in the open? you should keep the phone in your pocket. when someone texts you, have it vibrate in morse code. so your cheating is not as noticeable.
This seems like a step in the wrong direction. Smartphones and other devices are the way of the future. This whole situation reeks of a generation desperately trying to cling to an archaic, increasingly irrelevant way of doing business. It's only a matter of time until Magic itself is entirely digital anyway; why be so technophobic?
This. Forget Google Glass; in another decade we're all going to Borg. Why should I be considered a cheater just because I rely on electronics whereas someone else blessed with a photographic memory isn't?
This seems like a step in the wrong direction. Smartphones and other devices are the way of the future. This whole situation reeks of a generation desperately trying to cling to an archaic, increasingly irrelevant way of doing business. It's only a matter of time until Magic itself is entirely digital anyway; why be so technophobic?
It has to do with curbing cheating, not a hatred for technology.
They made the rule because people were caught cheating via text message and other things at events.
Besides, using a paper pad is still superior in many ways already discussed.
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
This seems like a step in the wrong direction. Smartphones and other devices are the way of the future. This whole situation reeks of a generation desperately trying to cling to an archaic, increasingly irrelevant way of doing business. It's only a matter of time until Magic itself is entirely digital anyway; why be so technophobic?
This. Forget Google Glass; in another decade we're all going to Borg. Why should I be considered a cheater just because I rely on electronics whereas someone else blessed with a photographic memory isn't?
Well thats exactly why they forbid it.
Instead of changing the rules every month for some new tech toy, its way easier to simply disallow them at high stakes tournaments.
Nobody cares in FNM and the like anyway.
Just imagine someone in a power tournament pulling out his laptop to calculate the odds, wouldnt that be a little bit "strange" ?
Just imagine someone in a power tournament pulling out his laptop to calculate the odds, wouldnt that be a little bit "strange" ?
Well that's exactly why they should allow it. Why should an autistic savant who can do math in his head be allowed to do something I can't? My point is we're all going to have such super-powers via electronic assistance directly wired into our brains soon. People will be downloading Magic playing software into our brains like Neo in The Matrix. Few people will want to play MtG in 20 years if only the "pure unenhanced humans" are allowed to play.
@ RELs I won't enforce the electronic device thing unless someone is trying to cheat with it.
Isn't the point that it is hard to tell if someone is trying to cheat with the device? Much cleaner to ban them all rather than to have a series of suspicions that may or may not be acted upon and may or may not be valid.
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"Because we cannot prevent draws in paper Magic we allow IDs. If we could prevent draws we would not have IDs in paper Magic. " Scott Larabee.
Just imagine someone in a power tournament pulling out his laptop to calculate the odds, wouldnt that be a little bit "strange" ?
Well that's exactly why they should allow it. Why should an autistic savant who can do math in his head be allowed to do something I can't? My point is we're all going to have such super-powers via electronic assistance directly wired into our brains soon. People will be downloading Magic playing software into our brains like Neo in The Matrix. Few people will want to play MtG in 20 years if only the "pure unenhanced humans" are allowed to play.
If you can do it by your own, its "skill" if you need tools to make it, its depending on the rules of your sport, and in the end, if someone is simply smarter than you, than they are better than you (in regards to the sport).
Magic is about fun, its not like players would use excessive computer power even if they would be allowed to, but some random guys would, which in the end hurts the game much more than simply banning the stuff.
Id say, in sports you "could" allow drugs, but you dont, as the goal is to keep it fair in the spirit and it would be totally stupid game if you would allow people to drug them to oblivion and use robot enhancements and what not.
If you enjoy that kind of stuff, you simply have to play a different game, with different rules.
If you can agree with others that using a computer in a game like magic is "cool", than start a tournament with exactly that rules (you can).
But in the end, not many are really interested in that, its a minority.
(Thats also why we will get some Cyber-Olympic Games at some point, but right now, people enjoy the normal sports and keep it drug free as much as possible)
I do believe this was just because of Google Glass, It can show you info and not your opponent, and its easier to nip this in the bud before it gets out of control.
Honestly many of the people complaining probably don't even play competitive REL anyways, so I'm not sure where they are trying to go with this argument other than arguing for arguments sake (and we know that doesn't happen here!).
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
But in the end, not many are really interested in that, its a minority.
And what poll did WotC take to determine this?
Oh, that's right, they didn't. They just made an arbitrary, luddite decision.
If you want to see the future of non-computer-assisted Magic, look at Chess currently. Human Chess used to be big around the world. Now hardly anyone knows who the current WCC is. Then compare it to the rising interest in Computer Chess and Advanced (computer-assisted) Chess, and you'll see where things should be going.
I would hardly call interest in any form of chess, computer assisted or not, "rising." And that has nothing to do with the adoption or lack thereof of technology.
But in the end, not many are really interested in that, its a minority.
And what poll did WotC take to determine this?
Oh, that's right, they didn't. They just made an arbitrary, luddite decision.
If you want to see the future of non-computer-assisted Magic, look at Chess currently. Human Chess used to be big around the world. Now hardly anyone knows who the current WCC is. Then compare it to the rising interest in Computer Chess and Advanced (computer-assisted) Chess, and you'll see where things should be going.
Course they did.
It was legal so far, and how many did you see ?
A Grand Prix with 1000+ people and what like ~20 use a smartphone to track life totals.
Same for any other tournament, just make it your own experience, "how" many did you actual see in a tournament using a smart phone for life totals and the like ?
If you play a card game in real life, you clearly do not really want any computer assistance.
If you want that, just play Magic Online, or any other computer game, which has all you want build in.
You don't judge whether or not something should be allowed based on how many people do it. People can still support other people using electronic devices even if they themselves don't.
Wizards made the decision to curb cheating, regardless of how people felt about it. I would rather Wizards use their judgment for trivial things like that rather than appeal to the masses.
In all honesty, this is such a small thing it's pretty ridiculous how upset you are about it. Use a pen and paper at Opens/PTQs/GPs/etc. and use your phone at your FNMs. How hard can this be?
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
WOTC staff and dozens of high-level judges around the world think about and discuss tournament policy constantly. I promise you that it wasn't an "arbitrary, luddite" decision.
I also don't think that disallowing devices is really going to kill Magic. Chess isn't a good analogy anyway--the pieces and board state are all public information. A better analogy might be Poker. Poker seems to be doing fine (though maybe not as hot as it was a few years ago, I don't know), and I'm pretty sure they don't allow electronic devices in tournament play.
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That change was necessary. Your smartphone can have a hidden cam and keep track of the board state + your hand to provide you with the best play options via an application that can also harvest data from previous matches that were played. I think the day John Finkel will play against the most advanced A.I. on the planet as the champion of all MtG players and doom us all to enslavement is close. Turn off your gloasses and open your eyes!!!111
And then, there is the problem of a paranoid boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife, who either keeps calling you every upkeep or sends a Whatapp message every EOT, making the game longer than necessary. Maybe that was the real reason.
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WOTC staff and dozens of high-level judges around the world think about and discuss tournament policy constantly. I promise you that it wasn't an "arbitrary, luddite" decision.
And I assure you they didn't make an honest attempt to determine how the majority vs. the minority felt about such a rule change, thus disproving the poster's point.
WOTC staff and dozens of high-level judges around the world think about and discuss tournament policy constantly. I promise you that it wasn't an "arbitrary, luddite" decision.
And I assure you they didn't make an honest attempt to determine how the majority vs. the minority felt about such a rule change, thus disproving the poster's point.
When will you understand that it doesn't matter what the majority thinks on the matter because the change wasn't made to appease anyone, it was made to curb a possible cheating issue.
^Read that twice if it helps.
Besides I highly doubt most players care about this, as the SCG Open in Cincy last weekend when they read the new rules pretty much everyone was like "meh, so what."
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Old enough to know better, much too young to care.
WOTC staff and dozens of high-level judges around the world think about and discuss tournament policy constantly. I promise you that it wasn't an "arbitrary, luddite" decision.
And I assure you they didn't make an honest attempt to determine how the majority vs. the minority felt about such a rule change, thus disproving the poster's point.
When will you understand that it doesn't matter what the majority thinks on the matter because the change wasn't made to appease anyone, it was made to curb a possible cheating issue.
^Read that twice if it helps.
When will you understand that it does matter what the majority thinks on the matter because the TheOnlyOne652089 made an argument that hinged on that justification.
But the majority doesn't care, just like most of the ~500 people at the open last weekend didn't give a crap. You are making a big deal out of nothing. Stop throwing a hissy fit and get over it.
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This one especially. Very minor errors on deck registration (have heard some real horror stories out there) should be handled in this more relaxed fashion.
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This cracked me up. How many booster wrappers and junk commons have you tossed in the garbage that a pad and pencil every so often will be the deathstroke for the planet?
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You are the reads the whole the thread.
Also, i don't throw away junk commons. I love my junk commons. I do throw away a lot of booster pack wrappers.
But i guess the fact that i have thrown away more trash before means that any trash i throw away later in life that is less than that doesn't actually happen.
If that wasn't the logic of your comment then i don't understand the point of it.
In regards to the OP, throwing away booster wrapping has nothing to do with using a pencil and paper in higher level tournaments. And also, it's more reliable to use electronic devices because if my pencil breaks, i'm screwed unless i brought extra. It's a lot easier to remember the ipod i carry around every day than to specifically buy and pack a notepad and a few pencils and a sharpener, or a pen.
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This. Forget Google Glass; in another decade we're all going to Borg. Why should I be considered a cheater just because I rely on electronics whereas someone else blessed with a photographic memory isn't?
It has to do with curbing cheating, not a hatred for technology.
They made the rule because people were caught cheating via text message and other things at events.
Besides, using a paper pad is still superior in many ways already discussed.
Well thats exactly why they forbid it.
Instead of changing the rules every month for some new tech toy, its way easier to simply disallow them at high stakes tournaments.
Nobody cares in FNM and the like anyway.
Just imagine someone in a power tournament pulling out his laptop to calculate the odds, wouldnt that be a little bit "strange" ?
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Well that's exactly why they should allow it. Why should an autistic savant who can do math in his head be allowed to do something I can't? My point is we're all going to have such super-powers via electronic assistance directly wired into our brains soon. People will be downloading Magic playing software into our brains like Neo in The Matrix. Few people will want to play MtG in 20 years if only the "pure unenhanced humans" are allowed to play.
Isn't the point that it is hard to tell if someone is trying to cheat with the device? Much cleaner to ban them all rather than to have a series of suspicions that may or may not be acted upon and may or may not be valid.
If you can do it by your own, its "skill" if you need tools to make it, its depending on the rules of your sport, and in the end, if someone is simply smarter than you, than they are better than you (in regards to the sport).
Magic is about fun, its not like players would use excessive computer power even if they would be allowed to, but some random guys would, which in the end hurts the game much more than simply banning the stuff.
Id say, in sports you "could" allow drugs, but you dont, as the goal is to keep it fair in the spirit and it would be totally stupid game if you would allow people to drug them to oblivion and use robot enhancements and what not.
If you enjoy that kind of stuff, you simply have to play a different game, with different rules.
If you can agree with others that using a computer in a game like magic is "cool", than start a tournament with exactly that rules (you can).
But in the end, not many are really interested in that, its a minority.
(Thats also why we will get some Cyber-Olympic Games at some point, but right now, people enjoy the normal sports and keep it drug free as much as possible)
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And what poll did WotC take to determine this?
Oh, that's right, they didn't. They just made an arbitrary, luddite decision.
If you want to see the future of non-computer-assisted Magic, look at Chess currently. Human Chess used to be big around the world. Now hardly anyone knows who the current WCC is. Then compare it to the rising interest in Computer Chess and Advanced (computer-assisted) Chess, and you'll see where things should be going.
Course they did.
It was legal so far, and how many did you see ?
A Grand Prix with 1000+ people and what like ~20 use a smartphone to track life totals.
Same for any other tournament, just make it your own experience, "how" many did you actual see in a tournament using a smart phone for life totals and the like ?
If you play a card game in real life, you clearly do not really want any computer assistance.
If you want that, just play Magic Online, or any other computer game, which has all you want build in.
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In all honesty, this is such a small thing it's pretty ridiculous how upset you are about it. Use a pen and paper at Opens/PTQs/GPs/etc. and use your phone at your FNMs. How hard can this be?
WOTC staff and dozens of high-level judges around the world think about and discuss tournament policy constantly. I promise you that it wasn't an "arbitrary, luddite" decision.
I also don't think that disallowing devices is really going to kill Magic. Chess isn't a good analogy anyway--the pieces and board state are all public information. A better analogy might be Poker. Poker seems to be doing fine (though maybe not as hot as it was a few years ago, I don't know), and I'm pretty sure they don't allow electronic devices in tournament play.
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And then, there is the problem of a paranoid boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife, who either keeps calling you every upkeep or sends a Whatapp message every EOT, making the game longer than necessary. Maybe that was the real reason.
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And I assure you they didn't make an honest attempt to determine how the majority vs. the minority felt about such a rule change, thus disproving the poster's point.
When will you understand that it doesn't matter what the majority thinks on the matter because the change wasn't made to appease anyone, it was made to curb a possible cheating issue.
^Read that twice if it helps.
Besides I highly doubt most players care about this, as the SCG Open in Cincy last weekend when they read the new rules pretty much everyone was like "meh, so what."
When will you understand that it does matter what the majority thinks on the matter because the TheOnlyOne652089 made an argument that hinged on that justification.
^Read that three times even if it doesn't help.