I think you mean "not legal in Standard or Modern". Obviously he'll be legal in many other formats.
That's true. In addition, I'm excited for the sheer concept of Dack. It's going to be interesting to see how much of the public will react to a planeswalker not being valid in two of their biggest formats. If popular enough we might see others show up in supplementary products, which is always welcome.
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I wonder if his +1 will actually be brainstorm and he'll just come in with 2 loyalty so that he's easy enough to kill, but still really powerful.
JTMS already has brainstorm on his +, they wouldn't make a second planeswalker with the exact same ability.
To be fair, Jace's brainstorm is on his 0 and can't target other players, but i can see why they wouldn't.
I've also seen it theorized that it says "target player draws a card then discards two cards" so you can snipe opponents or frantically dig.
I'm assuming that it'll probably just be a faithless looting - draw 2, discard 2.
That seems pretty likely, but a tad disappointing to me. Filtering is very nice, but it's not worth 3 mana and anything you have to devote to protecting it.
Threaten makes no sense for Dack Fayden. He's a treasure hunter that "borrows" artifacts to learn their secrets. He did do that one blood magic spell, but stealing a creature is a minus ability on Nicol Bolas anyway and he's 8 mana. There's pushed and then there's omgwtf.
Thats a common argument against planeswalkers but a logical fallacy. Its not 3 cmc for faithless looting, its 3cmc for a.permanent with thw potential to steal numerous artifacts and filter your cards each turn going forward.
Thats a common argument against planeswalkers but a logical fallacy. Its not 3 cmc for faithless looting, its 3cmc for a.permanent with thw potential to steal numerous artifacts and filter your cards each turn going forward.
I agree that he has potential to steal artifacts, but I don't think that warrants much play outside of commander. In legacy, artifacts aren't consistently present enough and repeatable looting doesn't seem worth 3 mana, especially in blue.
Personally, I think if he's 1UR w/ +1 looting and -2 steal artifact, he could see play in uwr miracles. Both of these abilities fulfill rolls that the deck needs. Looting helps get rid of dead miracles/dig deeper w/ top for win conditions. Yes, there are about 6-8 brainstorm effects, but sometimes they just don't come along. Stealing artifacts is also fairly relevant versus all of the blade decks.
I think you mean "not legal in Standard or Modern". Obviously he'll be legal in many other formats.
No that isn't what I meant. Legacy is the only real tournament format that he will be legal in. Semantics over the internet. I hate it, seems petty.
Semantics or not, you are simply wrong. Firstly, you never confined yourself to tournament formats in your original statement. But if you're saying (rather poorly) "Oh, sorry I wasn't clear, I meant sanctioned tournament formats", you're still wrong. Vintage is also a sanctioned tournament format, and it's quite possible they will sanction Limited Conspiracy as well, as they did with Modern Masters.
Preventing the spread of misinformation ("He's only legal in Legacy") is not petty; it's noble.
Vintage isn't a real tournament format. There are only 3 what I and most consider legitimate tournament formats legacy, modern, and standard. Who sanctions vintage tournaments?
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Vintage isn't a real tournament format. There are only 3 what I and most consider legitimate tournament formats legacy, modern, and standard. Who sanctions vintage tournaments?
There's a difference between "real format" and "commonly played constructed format." It seems clear that you know that, but you keep using the first to mean the second, and I'm not quite sure why.
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I primarily play limited, so most of my spoiler season comments view cards through that lens.
Vintage isn't a real tournament format. There are only 3 what I and most consider legitimate tournament formats legacy, modern, and standard. Who sanctions vintage tournaments?
There's a difference between "real format" and "commonly played constructed format." It seems clear that you know that, but you keep using the first to mean the second, and I'm not quite sure why.
Because he's trying to be insulting, most likely. He just completely ignored limited. I personally don't like Limited, but I still consider it a format. Also, Block Constructed is a thing, isn't it.
As far as Dack goes, I think the most pertinent question now is whether he starts with 2 or 3 loyalty. I could see it going either way, considering they released Kiora and his presumed abilities seem really good. Obviously, the -2 is "Gain control of target artifact." I've read two of the comics, and I was able to glean that his schtick is stealing crap. The first ability is probably Faithless Looting/Careful Study. "Draw three then discard two" would be too good used on yourself and "draw one then discard two" would be too good used on an opponent. The ultimate is whatever, as ultimates tend to require some Christmasy scenarios. Clearly, their whole idea with Dack was to make a planeswalker for Eternal players. Or at the very least, Commander players. I already want one for my Nekusar bear-hug deck, but regardless, the ability to mess with other player's hands is strong, stealing artifacts is strong, and ultimates become way more relevant when the smaller abilities are playable on their own. Faithless Looting on a planeswalker is just good because it's a Looting that doesn't cost you a card. Seriously, this guy makes me want to sleeve up UGR Madness for funsies games.
If it is 3 CMC then the loyalty will be 2.
If it is 4 CMC then the loyalty will be 3.
This is the Planeswalker "rule" that ultimates dont go off before "natural turn 7"
A CMC of 3 and loyalty 3 is too good. Gain control of an (artifact) and stay on board?
I think a CMC of 3 for 3 Loyalty would set a precedent.
If it is 3 CMC then the loyalty will be 2.
If it is 4 CMC then the loyalty will be 3.
This is the Planeswalker "rule" that ultimates dont go off before "natural turn 7"
A CMC of 3 and loyalty 3 is too good. Gain control of an (artifact) and stay on board?
I think a CMC of 3 for 3 Loyalty would set a precedent.
He wouldn't be the multiverses greatest thief if stealing a single artifact kills him.
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I think you mean "not legal in Standard or Modern". Obviously he'll be legal in many other formats.
That's true. In addition, I'm excited for the sheer concept of Dack. It's going to be interesting to see how much of the public will react to a planeswalker not being valid in two of their biggest formats. If popular enough we might see others show up in supplementary products, which is always welcome.
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No that isn't what I meant. Legacy is the only real tournament format that he will be legal in. Semantics over the internet. I hate it, seems petty.
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I can see all of this except I think his -6 is an emblem with a Twincast effect.
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What does it mean?
JTMS already has brainstorm on his +, they wouldn't make a second planeswalker with the exact same ability.
To be fair, Jace's brainstorm is on his 0 and can't target other players, but i can see why they wouldn't.
I've also seen it theorized that it says "target player draws a card then discards two cards" so you can snipe opponents or frantically dig.
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The decoding for another section of cipher, I believe
That seems pretty likely, but a tad disappointing to me. Filtering is very nice, but it's not worth 3 mana and anything you have to devote to protecting it.
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I agree that he has potential to steal artifacts, but I don't think that warrants much play outside of commander. In legacy, artifacts aren't consistently present enough and repeatable looting doesn't seem worth 3 mana, especially in blue.
Semantics or not, you are simply wrong. Firstly, you never confined yourself to tournament formats in your original statement. But if you're saying (rather poorly) "Oh, sorry I wasn't clear, I meant sanctioned tournament formats", you're still wrong. Vintage is also a sanctioned tournament format, and it's quite possible they will sanction Limited Conspiracy as well, as they did with Modern Masters.
Preventing the spread of misinformation ("He's only legal in Legacy") is not petty; it's noble.
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There's a difference between "real format" and "commonly played constructed format." It seems clear that you know that, but you keep using the first to mean the second, and I'm not quite sure why.
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Because he's trying to be insulting, most likely. He just completely ignored limited. I personally don't like Limited, but I still consider it a format. Also, Block Constructed is a thing, isn't it.
As far as Dack goes, I think the most pertinent question now is whether he starts with 2 or 3 loyalty. I could see it going either way, considering they released Kiora and his presumed abilities seem really good. Obviously, the -2 is "Gain control of target artifact." I've read two of the comics, and I was able to glean that his schtick is stealing crap. The first ability is probably Faithless Looting/Careful Study. "Draw three then discard two" would be too good used on yourself and "draw one then discard two" would be too good used on an opponent. The ultimate is whatever, as ultimates tend to require some Christmasy scenarios. Clearly, their whole idea with Dack was to make a planeswalker for Eternal players. Or at the very least, Commander players. I already want one for my Nekusar bear-hug deck, but regardless, the ability to mess with other player's hands is strong, stealing artifacts is strong, and ultimates become way more relevant when the smaller abilities are playable on their own. Faithless Looting on a planeswalker is just good because it's a Looting that doesn't cost you a card. Seriously, this guy makes me want to sleeve up UGR Madness for funsies games.
If it is 4 CMC then the loyalty will be 3.
This is the Planeswalker "rule" that ultimates dont go off before "natural turn 7"
A CMC of 3 and loyalty 3 is too good. Gain control of an (artifact) and stay on board?
I think a CMC of 3 for 3 Loyalty would set a precedent.
He wouldn't be the multiverses greatest thief if stealing a single artifact kills him.