Oh ye of little faith. Abandon your faith in the Gods, for they can be slain.
For those of you who are asking why this is rare, you are removing a God from existance- both in reality and in the hearts and minds of their followers. Sounds pretty epic and rare worthy to me. Mono blue may need to run a few more counters- there's always dispel. It sure has a hell of a lot more answers to mono black. If you want to play a deck that revolves around your God of choice, run EDH
Either way, if you're butthurt about this card removing your 3-5 mana indestructible enchantment that comes online as a creature with P/T way abouve curve, get over it.
The problem is the rest of mono blue runs extremely subpar cards to enable Thassa (and master of waves) to be good. Without terrible draft commons like frostburn weird and cloudfin raptor, Tidebinder mage which is a grizzly bear in most matchups, etc Thassa is not that great.
So the question is, when a lot of your cards are mediocre, and your best cards are easily answered and UTTERLY blown out by cards like Deicide, what's the point of playing this deck instead of a goodstuff deck? There is none. I hope blue devotion survives and continues to be at least a tier 1.5 deck, but I'm not hopeful.
I think Deicide is actually pretty bad against mono-Blue Devotion. Okay, it completely takes out Thassa... what if your opponent doesn't have a Thassa in that game? What if they have a Master of Waves? (which I'd actually argue is more dangerous) That Deicide sits in your hand useless. You're way better off playing Banishing Light because that, while not as powerful against Thassa in particular, is still good against Thassa and is better against everything else in their deck.
This card would be strictly worse than Erase in a meta without Gods. However, in a meta with Gods, not only does it exile, but it has Surgical Exile for that God attached to it. This not only takes care of every copy of the God, but it gives you all kinds of valuable information about their deck and it will be playable as long as there are Gods in Standard.
Along with the rest of the flavor, this is a very well-designed, very delimited card. There is no other place for it besides formats where God cards see a lot of play, and thus it is not overpowered in any other format.
As it is, this card is a huge boon for Wx against 1) Mono-Blue Devotion (good bye to every Thassa, plus exiling Bidents), 2) GR Devotion (hits Xenagod, but also Courser of Kruphix and the random Bow of Nylea or Nylea, God of the Hunt), 3) BWx Humans (Die, Athreos you sick jerk, die), 4) Mono-B Devotion (Try and stop my lifegain now, Erebos!), 5) all of the massive number of new Enchantment creatures. This is almost going to be an instant speed exile spell for creatures and enchantments once RtR rotates.
What really matters is that there aren't enough pure artifacts, so there is no reason to bother with Revoke Existence as long as this is available. Never mind the other catch-all of Banishing Light. So much for Control becoming UB post-RtR.
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It's a sideboard card that may replace Revoke Existence, but the fact that it doesn't hit artifacts, with Godsend now a pure artifact, keeps this in the sideboard as a 1-2 of.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in regards to the name, do you think it is pronounced:
Dee-ih-side
As in a combination of deity and homicide?
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You're ignoring the art. Sure Erase seems like a better card since it costs half as much but you also have to live with looking at the denouement from a Disney movie every time you play it. I'd say Elspeth ripping the heart out of a God is worth the extra mana.
It's a sideboard card that may replace Revoke Existence, but the fact that it doesn't hit artifacts, with Godsend now a pure artifact, keeps this in the sideboard as a 1-2 of.
Nothing against you personally but I have seen a lot of people bringing up Godsend but that card is unplayable in Standard. Mono-Black and UW/x Control are together over 30% of the meta and both of them would like to play against decks that waste their time with this card. Against which decks is this supposed to be good?
This will replace Revoke Existence guaranteed. Instant speed makes this already miles better and every playable artifact is also an enchantment anyway.
The fact that this doesn't kill Godsend is inconsequential seeing as how I don't believe that is going to be a card in the format. Too much good removal running around that the decks where you would want that effect would get blown out left and right trying to equip it. That's a big problem for them because generally those are tempo-oriented decks and can't afford that amount of tempo loss.
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Oh ye of little faith. Abandon your faith in the Gods, for they can be slain.
For those of you who are asking why this is rare, you are removing a God from existance- both in reality and in the hearts and minds of their followers. Sounds pretty epic and rare worthy to me. Mono blue may need to run a few more counters- there's always dispel. It sure has a hell of a lot more answers to mono black. If you want to play a deck that revolves around your God of choice, run EDH
Either way, if you're butthurt about this card removing your 3-5 mana indestructible enchantment that comes online as a creature with P/T way abouve curve, get over it.
The problem is the rest of mono blue runs extremely subpar cards to enable Thassa (and master of waves) to be good. Without terrible draft commons like frostburn weird and cloudfin raptor, Tidebinder mage which is a grizzly bear in most matchups, etc Thassa is not that great.
So the question is, when a lot of your cards are mediocre, and your best cards are easily answered and UTTERLY blown out by cards like Deicide, what's the point of playing this deck instead of a goodstuff deck? There is none. I hope blue devotion survives and continues to be at least a tier 1.5 deck, but I'm not hopeful.
I think Deicide is actually pretty bad against mono-Blue Devotion. Okay, it completely takes out Thassa... what if your opponent doesn't have a Thassa in that game? What if they have a Master of Waves? (which I'd actually argue is more dangerous) That Deicide sits in your hand useless. You're way better off playing Banishing Light because that, while not as powerful against Thassa in particular, is still good against Thassa and is better against everything else in their deck.
That's sort of how narrow sideboard cards work. That's why you bring in 1 or 2 against an opponent's 3-4 of. The odds of you having it and them not are pretty low and them not drawing it means their deck is playing significantly weaker to begin with, somewhat making it more even after your pseudo-mulligan. It's also very possible they end up playing some new enchantment or enchantment creature that's released in the new set.
This card will not have an impact on standard. The only 4x god is Thassa and she is easily handled with the current hate out there. This card will not see play and is a total waste of a rare slot. Opening this will be like opening Conjured Currency in RTR.
I once flashed in a Conjured Currency on my opponent's end step (thank you, Alchemist's Refuge) to steal his just-summoned Griselbrand during my upkeep. He's a cop, and I was afraid he was going to shoot me.
Per Deicide, yeah, really fantastic art. Really want to see a larger version. I'll find some room to put this and Banishing Light somewhere in the 75 of my Naya control list.
There seems to be some misunderstanding concerning Theros's storyline. This is not a Heliod vs. Xenagos story. It's about Elspeth fighting for the people of Theros.
Why are Ajani and Elspeth (the heroes of this block) still helping him?
They are not. You can tell Elspeth doesn't like Heliod very much. After Elspeth escapes the phyrexians in her childhood and going to Theros, Heliod was the first god she saw and it scared her to see something so big and powerful, so she left almost instantly after grabbing Purphoros's sword. She even avoided Heliod the most when she got back on Theros. When she finally meets him, he changes Purphoros's sword into a spear, and as Elspeth tries to grab it, he starts burning her because she kept it hidden from him for so many years, but Elspeth uses her powerful magic to protect herself. Heliod, baffled that a mortal could fight his powers, asks her what she wants. She tells him she wants to be part of world that can be kept safe by the power of the gods. Heliod doesn't quite get what she means, so his answer is essentially "Yeah, yeah. Whatever. You are now my champion, just bring the Godsend to my temple in Meletis." It is clear he cares about the weapon more than he does about her (you can also see Dictate of Heliod's flavour text.)
The planeswalker's guide to Journey into Nyx as well as Dictate of Kruphix's flavour text makes it clear Elspeth won't be "working" with Heliod for long.
Revoke existence was just reprinted last set, couldn't they have shoehorned this onto a different kind of card?
You're also surgical extraction-ing the god in question. That's kinda big. The design space is also different because you can't hit artifacts and this current set has some nice ones.
As a whole, this is one of the few bright spots for the block. It's a home run in terms of design, flavor, and art.
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
Revoke existence was just reprinted last set, couldn't they have shoehorned this onto a different kind of card?
You're also surgical extraction-ing the god in question. That's kinda big. The design space is also different because you can't hit artifacts and this current set has some nice ones.
As a whole, this is one of the few bright spots for the block. It's a home run in terms of design, flavor, and art.
I'm not impressed by the design it feels too Yu-Gi-Oh to me. The effect makes sense but its so specific that it doesn't interact with the rest of MTG that way I like this sort of card to do. True, applying to fifteen cards isn't absurdly narrow but it just bugs me.
Revoke existence was just reprinted last set, couldn't they have shoehorned this onto a different kind of card?
You're also surgical extraction-ing the god in question. That's kinda big. The design space is also different because you can't hit artifacts and this current set has some nice ones.
As a whole, this is one of the few bright spots for the block. It's a home run in terms of design, flavor, and art.
I'm not impressed by the design it feels too Yu-Gi-Oh to me. The effect makes sense but its so specific that it doesn't interact with the rest of MTG that way I like this sort of card to do. True, applying to fifteen cards isn't absurdly narrow but it just bugs me.
It's not narrow at all. Read the card again. It exiles any enchantment card. Then, if the exiled card happens to be a god, you get the icing on the cake of being able to exile the rest of them.
good flavor, pretty awful card though. I'll not be happy to open this. If only it said artifact or enchantment.
Tell me which artifacts are seeing play right now?
You shouldnt forget that the god weapons are artifact enchantments and many creatures are now enchantments too.
This card will see play 100%.
Well sol ring, mana crypt, mind's eye, gauntlets of power and chaos, SDT, scroll rack, skull clamp, winter orb...
Oh did you mean for standard? Well not everyone plays standard, and for all those people this card is craptacular. It's almost strictly worse than the unplayable erase except in (bleh) standard. Mostly it's just a bummer to get such a vanilla effect at such a high rarity, since the search clause is going to be meaningless in most formats. It's clearly rare for the flavor, not the effect.
good flavor, pretty awful card though. I'll not be happy to open this. If only it said artifact or enchantment.
Tell me which artifacts are seeing play right now?
You shouldnt forget that the god weapons are artifact enchantments and many creatures are now enchantments too.
This card will see play 100%.
Well sol ring, mana crypt, mind's eye, gauntlets of power and chaos, SDT, scroll rack, skull clamp, winter orb...
Oh did you mean for standard? Well not everyone plays standard, and for all those people this card is craptacular. It's almost strictly worse than the unplayable erase except in (bleh) standard. Mostly it's just a bummer to get such a vanilla effect at such a high rarity, since the search clause is going to be meaningless in most formats. It's clearly rare for the flavor, not the effect.
Of course Im talking about Standard. This is a Standard set after all so most cards are meant for it. Not really a surprise or uncommon knowledge...
My favorite part about this cards is you get to see the opponents hand and library. That's a pretty sweet effect in white. Tack that on to hitting enchants some creatures that will continue to see play and all their gods. Also it gets rid of o-rings and detention spheres which could be huge value. I'm a huge fan of this card
My favorite part about this cards is you get to see the opponents hand and library. That's a pretty sweet effect in white. Tack that on to hitting enchants some creatures that will continue to see play and all their gods. Also it gets rid of o-rings and detention spheres which could be huge value. I'm a huge fan of this card
You only get to look if you target a God.
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good flavor, pretty awful card though. I'll not be happy to open this. If only it said artifact or enchantment.
Tell me which artifacts are seeing play right now?
You shouldnt forget that the god weapons are artifact enchantments and many creatures are now enchantments too.
This card will see play 100%.
Well sol ring, mana crypt, mind's eye, gauntlets of power and chaos, SDT, scroll rack, skull clamp, winter orb...
Oh did you mean for standard? Well not everyone plays standard, and for all those people this card is craptacular. It's almost strictly worse than the unplayable erase except in (bleh) standard. Mostly it's just a bummer to get such a vanilla effect at such a high rarity, since the search clause is going to be meaningless in most formats. It's clearly rare for the flavor, not the effect.
Of course Im talking about Standard. This is a Standard set after all so most cards are meant for it. Not really a surprise or uncommon knowledge...
This card kind of underlines one oddity I've noticed about many, many instants and sorceries. And that is, their speed is almost entirely random/determined by whatever Development feels like.
Deicide? Sure, that's an instant. One would think that a spell capable of revoking the existence of a god itself would probably be something of a larger, more powerful spell. But no, instant speed because I guess Development wanted it to be good or at least playable. So many spells are like this. "Oh, this sounds like a big, fancy spell, but apparently it's at instant speed?"
Now I thought "Decide" was a pretty dumb name for a card. This makes more sense.
No, no, no..... its not Decide
its De-I-cide, roots being Deus= god and -cide being killing.
Yeah, I know... I just saw the thread title and thought, "There's really card called 'Decide?' That doesn't seem right." And then I saw the actual card and realized it was just a typo.
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He is the gameday play mat, and the art of that mat suggest that it was merely a setback.
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This card would be strictly worse than Erase in a meta without Gods. However, in a meta with Gods, not only does it exile, but it has Surgical Exile for that God attached to it. This not only takes care of every copy of the God, but it gives you all kinds of valuable information about their deck and it will be playable as long as there are Gods in Standard.
Along with the rest of the flavor, this is a very well-designed, very delimited card. There is no other place for it besides formats where God cards see a lot of play, and thus it is not overpowered in any other format.
Imagine if it was Erase + Surgical Extraction on any enchantment for 1W. That would be obscene.
As it is, this card is a huge boon for Wx against 1) Mono-Blue Devotion (good bye to every Thassa, plus exiling Bidents), 2) GR Devotion (hits Xenagod, but also Courser of Kruphix and the random Bow of Nylea or Nylea, God of the Hunt), 3) BWx Humans (Die, Athreos you sick jerk, die), 4) Mono-B Devotion (Try and stop my lifegain now, Erebos!), 5) all of the massive number of new Enchantment creatures. This is almost going to be an instant speed exile spell for creatures and enchantments once RtR rotates.
What really matters is that there aren't enough pure artifacts, so there is no reason to bother with Revoke Existence as long as this is available. Never mind the other catch-all of Banishing Light. So much for Control becoming UB post-RtR.
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Looking through the opponents hand and library are worth the extra 1 though.
Nothing against you personally but I have seen a lot of people bringing up Godsend but that card is unplayable in Standard. Mono-Black and UW/x Control are together over 30% of the meta and both of them would like to play against decks that waste their time with this card. Against which decks is this supposed to be good?
This will replace Revoke Existence guaranteed. Instant speed makes this already miles better and every playable artifact is also an enchantment anyway.
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That's sort of how narrow sideboard cards work. That's why you bring in 1 or 2 against an opponent's 3-4 of. The odds of you having it and them not are pretty low and them not drawing it means their deck is playing significantly weaker to begin with, somewhat making it more even after your pseudo-mulligan. It's also very possible they end up playing some new enchantment or enchantment creature that's released in the new set.
Yes. This isn't a made up word for MTG, it's actually a word.
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I once flashed in a Conjured Currency on my opponent's end step (thank you, Alchemist's Refuge) to steal his just-summoned Griselbrand during my upkeep. He's a cop, and I was afraid he was going to shoot me.
Per Deicide, yeah, really fantastic art. Really want to see a larger version. I'll find some room to put this and Banishing Light somewhere in the 75 of my Naya control list.
Yeah except he's not all that much worse than any of the other gods. If that were true she'd be taking out Heliod too.
You're also surgical extraction-ing the god in question. That's kinda big. The design space is also different because you can't hit artifacts and this current set has some nice ones.
As a whole, this is one of the few bright spots for the block. It's a home run in terms of design, flavor, and art.
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I'm not impressed by the design it feels too Yu-Gi-Oh to me. The effect makes sense but its so specific that it doesn't interact with the rest of MTG that way I like this sort of card to do. True, applying to fifteen cards isn't absurdly narrow but it just bugs me.
It's not narrow at all. Read the card again. It exiles any enchantment card. Then, if the exiled card happens to be a god, you get the icing on the cake of being able to exile the rest of them.
Well sol ring, mana crypt, mind's eye, gauntlets of power and chaos, SDT, scroll rack, skull clamp, winter orb...
Oh did you mean for standard? Well not everyone plays standard, and for all those people this card is craptacular. It's almost strictly worse than the unplayable erase except in (bleh) standard. Mostly it's just a bummer to get such a vanilla effect at such a high rarity, since the search clause is going to be meaningless in most formats. It's clearly rare for the flavor, not the effect.
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Of course Im talking about Standard. This is a Standard set after all so most cards are meant for it. Not really a surprise or uncommon knowledge...
You only get to look if you target a God.
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Theros is a set only for standard?
dafuq you talking about?
Deicide? Sure, that's an instant. One would think that a spell capable of revoking the existence of a god itself would probably be something of a larger, more powerful spell. But no, instant speed because I guess Development wanted it to be good or at least playable. So many spells are like this. "Oh, this sounds like a big, fancy spell, but apparently it's at instant speed?"
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Yeah, I know... I just saw the thread title and thought, "There's really card called 'Decide?' That doesn't seem right." And then I saw the actual card and realized it was just a typo.