so what happens when you have 2 Thaumaturge's and cast an x spell like aurelia's fury, or profane command? Aurelia's fury, can you redirect the second costs 1 less to the player, and with profane command does it do twice as much?
I'm not sure if thaumaturge will do much for heroic (if heroic is a deck it'll be good in U/x versions but if heroic isn't a deck I doubt it'll be enough to push it over the top). But it's a familiar/medallion for targeting spells which gets amazing with X spells and is a respectable 2/1 for 2 in blue. I'm personally looking forward to trying it with Aurelia's fury not sure if it'll be viable but it has potential.
For everyone asking about multiple Thaumaturge's and x spells. Treat it as X + N where N is the number of thaumaturges. As in the case of Curse of the Swine, you get one target for free, two for 1, 3 for 2, and so on. If you had TWO thaumaturge's you'd get two targets for 0, 3 for 1, 4 for 2 and so on.
so what happens when you have to Thaumaturge and cast an x spell like aurelia's fury, or profane command? Aurelia's fury, can you redirect the second costs 1 less to the player, and with profane command does it do twice as much?
You pick a number of targets, and declare how much X will be. You have to pick all legal targets, and you have to assign at least one damage to each (if Aurelia's Fury). Then, you look at your total cost, and reduce it by one for each creature you're targeting. So, for example, if you have Thaumaturge out, and cast Aurelia's Fury, targeting 3 creatures and the opponent for two damage each, you'd first figure out that X=8, then subtract three for the three creatures you're targeting, and end up with a final mana cost of 5RW. Similarly, with profane command, you pick X targets to give fear to, and then can use that reduction of the cost for X on whatever other mode you want to use.
For everyone asking about multiple Thaumaturge's and x spells. Treat it as X + N where N is the number of thaumaturges. As in the case of Curse of the Swine, you get one target for free, two for 1, 3 for 2, and so on. If you had TWO thaumaturge's you'd get two targets for 0, 3 for 1, 4 for 2 and so on.
Incorrect. Thaumaturge gives a discount of 1per target. So for any X is the number of targets spell, it eliminate the X part of the cost with just one Thaumaturge. Multiples apply further cost reduction.
Eidolon is an amazing card. Run 4 of it with 12-16 counters, 3 Elspeth as a win-con, and just stall your opponent to death.
Do you want to spend your one spell of the turn on killing my Eidolon, or casting a threat? Try and kill? I counter. Try and throw down a threat? I bounce it or counter.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
so what happens when you have to Thaumaturge and cast an x spell like aurelia's fury, or profane command? Aurelia's fury, can you redirect the second costs 1 less to the player, and with profane command does it do twice as much?
You pick a number of targets, and declare how much X will be. You have to pick all legal targets, and you have to assign at least one damage to each (if Aurelia's Fury). Then, you look at your total cost, and reduce it by one for each creature you're targeting. So, for example, if you have Thaumaturge out, and cast Aurelia's Fury, targeting 3 creatures and the opponent for two damage each, you'd first figure out that X=8, then subtract three for the three creatures you're targeting, and end up with a final mana cost of 5RW. Similarly, with profane command, you pick X targets to give fear to, and then can use that reduction of the cost for X on whatever other mode you want to use.
For everyone asking about multiple Thaumaturge's and x spells. Treat it as X + N where N is the number of thaumaturges. As in the case of Curse of the Swine, you get one target for free, two for 1, 3 for 2, and so on. If you had TWO thaumaturge's you'd get two targets for 0, 3 for 1, 4 for 2 and so on.
Incorrect. Thaumaturge gives a discount of 1per target. So for any X is the number of targets spell, it eliminate the X part of the cost with just one Thaumaturge. Multiples apply further cost reduction.
That's actually really solid. I am very excited to see what this card can do. I imagine it going to have a pretty fat target on its head when it is played though. Can anyone see this being used outside of Standard?
For everyone asking about multiple Thaumaturge's and x spells. Treat it as X + N where N is the number of thaumaturges. As in the case of Curse of the Swine, you get one target for free, two for 1, 3 for 2, and so on. If you had TWO thaumaturge's you'd get two targets for 0, 3 for 1, 4 for 2 and so on.
Curse of Swine: Exile X target creatures. For each creature exiled this way, its controller puts a 2/2 green Boar creature token onto the battlefield.
So if you target 5 creatures, you subtract 5 from the mana cost due to Thaumaturge, it costs UU.
The reason for multiples is to try to make for crazy damage spells on things like Aurelia's Fury where it breaks down into this.
For the duration Y is the number of creature targets, so the math looks easy to understand:
3 creatures on their field, plus your two Thoumaturge dudes, Y = 5.
Aurelia's Fury costs XRW. X = 2Y = 10. You divide that 10 so each creature takes 1 damage, and 5 damage to your opponent's face. Which is mildly impressive. It's when you get to 4 Thoumaturge dudes that we get hilarious, so that X = 4Y. And you can do some real fun stuff.
so what happens when you have to Thaumaturge and cast an x spell like aurelia's fury, or profane command? Aurelia's fury, can you redirect the second costs 1 less to the player, and with profane command does it do twice as much?
You pick a number of targets, and declare how much X will be. You have to pick all legal targets, and you have to assign at least one damage to each (if Aurelia's Fury). Then, you look at your total cost, and reduce it by one for each creature you're targeting. So, for example, if you have Thaumaturge out, and cast Aurelia's Fury, targeting 3 creatures and the opponent for two damage each, you'd first figure out that X=8, then subtract three for the three creatures you're targeting, and end up with a final mana cost of 5RW. Similarly, with profane command, you pick X targets to give fear to, and then can use that reduction of the cost for X on whatever other mode you want to use.
For everyone asking about multiple Thaumaturge's and x spells. Treat it as X + N where N is the number of thaumaturges. As in the case of Curse of the Swine, you get one target for free, two for 1, 3 for 2, and so on. If you had TWO thaumaturge's you'd get two targets for 0, 3 for 1, 4 for 2 and so on.
Incorrect. Thaumaturge gives a discount of 1per target. So for any X is the number of targets spell, it eliminate the X part of the cost with just one Thaumaturge. Multiples apply further cost reduction.
Is there any reason outside of pod to play the eidolon over actual Rule of Law or Ethersworn Canonist? Rule of Law and new eidolon die to the same enchantment removal, but eidolon also gets hit by creature removal. Ethersworn Canonist comes down a turn earlier. I can't imagine the 1/4 body will ever matter in the matchups you want this effect, usually some form of combo.
Even something as simple as Clan Defiance becomes fairly silly with Thaumaturge. Do 2 to a flyer, 2 to a nonflyer and 2 to the opponent all for just 2 mana? I'm happy with that all day long. As an aside, I will build a blue red deck running this guy alongside izzet staticaster before RtR rotates. Just because.
The Thaumaturge definitely seems breakable, I'm not sure with what, but potentially scary breakable. Time will tell if he actually ends up seeing any competitive constructed play, but I'm sure we'll be seeing him at the kitchen table. At the very least, we are finally getting some interesting cards for Theros block in this last set. It's almost making me regret completely ignoring the block during the first two sets....almost.
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Not an instant or sorcery, and Bogardan doesn't target anything when cast (only when it enters the battlefield).
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Bogardan Hellkite is neither an Instant, nor a Sorcery...
Oh wow, that's just.......just....hateful.
Hellkite has flash though so it is an instant .. ?
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You pick a number of targets, and declare how much X will be. You have to pick all legal targets, and you have to assign at least one damage to each (if Aurelia's Fury). Then, you look at your total cost, and reduce it by one for each creature you're targeting. So, for example, if you have Thaumaturge out, and cast Aurelia's Fury, targeting 3 creatures and the opponent for two damage each, you'd first figure out that X=8, then subtract three for the three creatures you're targeting, and end up with a final mana cost of 5RW. Similarly, with profane command, you pick X targets to give fear to, and then can use that reduction of the cost for X on whatever other mode you want to use.
Incorrect. Thaumaturge gives a discount of 1 per target. So for any X is the number of targets spell, it eliminate the X part of the cost with just one Thaumaturge. Multiples apply further cost reduction.
Do you want to spend your one spell of the turn on killing my Eidolon, or casting a threat? Try and kill? I counter. Try and throw down a threat? I bounce it or counter.
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nice one, im happy i have 4 curse of the swine waiting for this card
the white card isnt that bad at all
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Now, if we get a Grave Pact variant I think I might be psychic...
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That's actually really solid. I am very excited to see what this card can do. I imagine it going to have a pretty fat target on its head when it is played though. Can anyone see this being used outside of Standard?
Curse of Swine: Exile X target creatures. For each creature exiled this way, its controller puts a 2/2 green Boar creature token onto the battlefield.
So if you target 5 creatures, you subtract 5 from the mana cost due to Thaumaturge, it costs UU.
The reason for multiples is to try to make for crazy damage spells on things like Aurelia's Fury where it breaks down into this.
For the duration Y is the number of creature targets, so the math looks easy to understand:
3 creatures on their field, plus your two Thoumaturge dudes, Y = 5.
Aurelia's Fury costs XRW. X = 2Y = 10. You divide that 10 so each creature takes 1 damage, and 5 damage to your opponent's face. Which is mildly impressive. It's when you get to 4 Thoumaturge dudes that we get hilarious, so that X = 4Y. And you can do some real fun stuff.
Ah, I didn't see the second clause. Nvm.
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x would have to be 8 for 8 damage it will cost 4 colourless and 1 red and 1 white
Combo players?