If it helps, think of it as "look at top card of opponent's deck. If it's a land opponent draws a card, if it's a spell opponent may deal 3 damage to target creature or player. Activate only on opponent's upkeep." Would you pay 3 damage for that information? I know some decks can.
Yeah, I'd pay three life for that. However, I can't dictate my opponents' choices for their generals.
If it helps, think of it as "look at top card of opponent's deck. If it's a land opponent draws a card, if it's a spell opponent may deal 3 damage to target creature or player. Activate only on opponent's upkeep." Would you pay 3 damage for that information? I know some decks can.
Yeah, I'd pay three life for that. However, I can't dictate my opponents' choices for their generals.
why does it matter? he's indestructable and you're gonna probably draw a bunch of cards anyway in UR.
I was going to say that I was surprised to see a lot of people saying he'd be better in EDH than standard, because lightning bolt just isn't very strong... but then I got to thinking... man, i run Jenara EDH, and I'd sure hate to have my Prophet of Kruphix killed with a triggered ability. Or my Oracle of Mul daya or my Bloom Tender.
And then there were sad faces. I hope he's decent in standard though, I'd like to play some izzet control.
If it helps, think of it as "look at top card of opponent's deck. If it's a land opponent draws a card, if it's a spell opponent may deal 3 damage to target creature or player. Activate only on opponent's upkeep." Would you pay 3 damage for that information? I know some decks can.
Yeah, I'd pay three life for that. However, I can't dictate my opponents' choices for their generals.
It's not 3 life, though, it's 3 damage to anything you have on the field. Would you trade your dark confidant for info about their draw? Your liliana?
This pairs pretty well with Thassa, Dakra mystic or sigiled starfish. Once you have the land you need you scry it down to the bottom and there's a good chance you have a bolt.
It's not 3 life, though, it's 3 damage to anything you have on the field. Would you trade your dark confidant for info about their draw? Your liliana?
I wouldn't run Dark Confidant to begin with in EDH, but that's beside the point. And yes, anything you put on the board is fair game to be hit by a sweeper anyway.
I don't really know the point you're trying to get at here, but what I'm saying is this: if you run Keranos, his ability could compromise whatever tricks you want up your sleeve via his 'reveal card' rule, a measly Lightning Bolt once every couple turns will likely do more political harm to you than help you remove threats, and there are much more efficient ways to draw cards.
This card has some synergy with Thassa but as a mono-U player, I can't see mono-U splashing R just for this, especially since there's not really any other good UR cards that could help mono-U.
If you build around him Keranos will give you whichever ability you want each turn. I think he's fine for anything but super-competitive groups. If revealing cards were such a big deal Oracle of Mul Daya wouldn't be so highly valued in the format. I personally find him uninspiring as a general because he's a hard-to-remove source of measured incremental advantage without any potential for blowout plays, but that's just a matter of preference.
Oh no another broken blue commander. These gods all just seem so darn powerful in EDH. I cannot remember another block that provided such a large amount of stellar commanders.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
After thinking about him for a while, I still think he's great. As some people have said he functions a lot like a planeswalker, slowly churning out advantage and he should give you a lock on the game if you can survive a few turns with him out.
BUT...
The crucial difference between him and a planeswalker is that you're going to have to wait until your next turn to start getting value out of him, meanwhile you're tapped out while your opponent takes a late game turn. Elspeth and Jace can make tokens or draw cards the turn they're out, giving them quite an advantage over this guy. Suppose you control the board before he hits and manage to keep it that way while he's out, you'd certainly win. But I think that loss in tempo over a planeswalker might mean that competitive players will skip over him.
^^^ lol so true. If one wanted cards anyways, there's always Honden of Seeing Winds (for comparison's sakes).
Forrest Gump: "Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."
Keranos is THAT box of chocolates.
Just no. Sindbad + Erratic Explosion effect at 5cmc? Yea as the others say 4cmc would promote it to constructed level, and all the randomness would be forgiven.
Red is getting very scary considering Master of Waves is the only really playable creature with pro. red. Nobody is going to start playing Lavinia of the Tenth.
UR are the prefect colors to be playing against Lifebane Zombie. Not easy colors to hate out right now but I guess there is Gainsay.
This card makes me happy. He is a great control card. Drawing an extra card every turn or dealing damage is great. We can not forget that as long as we do not top deck a land and draw into a second land, we are hitting a land drop for the turn and having something to do. That is huge in a deck built with good do stuff cards. When we top deck a non land, we bolt, then do something useful. I personally already have a home for this guy in a grixis deck of mine. He will make a wonderful alternate win condition.
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Love the artwork, but I'm not a big fan of the ability. It's a bit inconsistent, relatively overcosted, has no immediate impact on the game, and has seemingly no scalability/synergy potential. I mean I'm not saying he is outright bad or anything, but pretty much all of the gods are "good". Unfortunately, that doesn't actually make them playable in any format, even standard.
Guys, what's wrong with us? Most of us are all over this card, meanwhile Reddit's being negative?
Where's the complaints guys?
Salvation forums have always been more more lenient towards Wizzards even if they design bad cards, but add some flavour/art. Reddit wants good cards while flavour/art is secondary there. Plus we got many EDH players here, and it's easier to achieve EDH playability than standart/modern ones.
He's a decent card, pretty much what a mythic should be, and I'm not even a super EDH/Wizards Defense Force guy.
I wish people would leave any discussion of "reddit" back on reddit.
I think a lot of people are reading this card wrong - you don't get to reveal the second card. You only get to bolt if the first card revealed is non-land. So, it isn't: Either Bolt, or draw a card and bolt. It is either bolt, or draw an extra card.
Still awesome. But not quite as great as some of you seem to be thinking.
I don't get how people could say he's bad. He's an indestructible enchantment that can be a creature and pretty much says draw an extra land each turn or deal 3 damage for free way turn. That's bad?
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
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Lol, I just imagined your profile pic saying that....pretty creepy
Yeah, I'd pay three life for that. However, I can't dictate my opponents' choices for their generals.
why does it matter? he's indestructable and you're gonna probably draw a bunch of cards anyway in UR.
And then there were sad faces. I hope he's decent in standard though, I'd like to play some izzet control.
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It's not 3 life, though, it's 3 damage to anything you have on the field. Would you trade your dark confidant for info about their draw? Your liliana?
I wouldn't run Dark Confidant to begin with in EDH, but that's beside the point. And yes, anything you put on the board is fair game to be hit by a sweeper anyway.
I don't really know the point you're trying to get at here, but what I'm saying is this: if you run Keranos, his ability could compromise whatever tricks you want up your sleeve via his 'reveal card' rule, a measly Lightning Bolt once every couple turns will likely do more political harm to you than help you remove threats, and there are much more efficient ways to draw cards.
Standard: UUMono Blue DevotionUU
Modern:
RRBurnRRLooking for something new!BUT...
The crucial difference between him and a planeswalker is that you're going to have to wait until your next turn to start getting value out of him, meanwhile you're tapped out while your opponent takes a late game turn. Elspeth and Jace can make tokens or draw cards the turn they're out, giving them quite an advantage over this guy. Suppose you control the board before he hits and manage to keep it that way while he's out, you'd certainly win. But I think that loss in tempo over a planeswalker might mean that competitive players will skip over him.
But then you are never using his free-bolt mode, right?
Forrest Gump: "Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."
Keranos is THAT box of chocolates.
Just no. Sindbad + Erratic Explosion effect at 5cmc? Yea as the others say 4cmc would promote it to constructed level, and all the randomness would be forgiven.
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Need a card? Set up a land. Need the bolt? Set up a non-land card.
Hey look it's a Lightning Strike, goodbye Desecration Demon.
Red is getting very scary considering Master of Waves is the only really playable creature with pro. red. Nobody is going to start playing Lavinia of the Tenth.
UR are the prefect colors to be playing against Lifebane Zombie. Not easy colors to hate out right now but I guess there is Gainsay.
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
He's a decent card, pretty much what a mythic should be, and I'm not even a super EDH/Wizards Defense Force guy.
I wish people would leave any discussion of "reddit" back on reddit.
Still awesome. But not quite as great as some of you seem to be thinking.
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Seems like a decent wincon when you have all the time in the world lol.
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UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)