I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
Yes, but legion also gives devotion, is stackable, but most importantly is harder to remove while making your creatures harder to remove, which is a problem for aggro decks right now.
I was anticipating the RW god more than any other card in this set, but this seems alot weaker than people are imagining. IF none of your other creatures die to removal and IF you somehow make it to the attack step with this god activated then obviously this guy is awesome. But put that strategy against all the tier 1 decks dominating standard at the moment and I'm not sure the deck gets there. Do you really think your opponent will not interact with your board for five turns? Maybe post-rotation this guy will be viable, but I'm not betting on it.
I find it hilarious that the first responses in this thread were all gushing about the synergy with Boros Reckoner while there is quite obviously negative synergy there. It think this is a card that bad players will wildly overvalue like say... Boros Reckoner?
This reads like: "It's not broken, so it's not good."
It's a powerful God. Will it transform the meta? No. Not many cards do.
In fact if any card completely warps standard around itself it usually is on the realm of Jace, the Mind Sculptor good or something. They don't like printing those cards and usually they come out once every few years.
I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Nightveil was very playable in Block Constructed though, devotion just made it better.
Specter has a history of having been very powerful in Esper mirrors this standard format where devotion was a zero factor. I've even seen Esper decks with 4 mainboard do well in Premier events etc.
Can you really say the same for something like Legion's initiative?
I'm not sure. Like I said, it's just an idea, because of the combination of facts that Legion contributes to the aggro strat, offers a way to protect vs removal, and adds 2 devotion while being rather hard to remove.
It could be a dud. I still think it's worth a test, though. It's not like Legion's gonna cost me that much to try.
I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
C'mon so a virtual Honor of the Pure that allows your creatures to dodge wrath effects is unplayable now? I think that is judging a bit harshly. Boros hasn't had the cards to support it yet but there are a lot of cards yet to be seen.
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I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
C'mon so a virtual Honor of the Pure that allows your creatures to dodge wrath effects is unplayable now? I think that is judging a bit harshly. Boros hasn't had the cards to support it yet but there are a lot of cards yet to be seen.
Yes. A hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana is unplayable.
I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
C'mon so a virtual Honor of the Pure that allows your creatures to dodge wrath effects is unplayable now? I think that is judging a bit harshly. Boros hasn't had the cards to support it yet but there are a lot of cards yet to be seen.
Yes. A hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana is unplayable.
For reference: see the past year.
So your point is Initiative has been trash so it will always be trash? That seems to be ignoring the Nightveil Specter point again.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I love how people think this mediocre card has suddenly all of a sudden made a terrible card (Legion's Initiative) playable.
It's a 4 mana card that only does something if other cards are on the battlefield. And it doesn't help the turn after a sweeper at all. This is not what Boros was looking for.
It's just speculating. After all, devotion made the previously crap card Nightveil Specter an all-star.
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
C'mon so a virtual Honor of the Pure that allows your creatures to dodge wrath effects is unplayable now? I think that is judging a bit harshly. Boros hasn't had the cards to support it yet but there are a lot of cards yet to be seen.
Yes. A hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana is unplayable.
For reference: see the past year.
So your point is Initiative has been trash so it will always be trash? That seems to be ignoring the Nightveil Specter point again.
No, my point is that it is a hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana. The past year just provides further evidence that I am right.
I've tried initiative before. It just didn't do what you wanted it to most of the time and having to keep the two mana open when trying to win with weenies is a bit hard to do at times. In a primarily red deck I could see it being okay; but in white, I'd prefer having something that gives a power boost over a toughness boost even with the extra ability. Boros charm is just better in most cases at saving your creatures.
As for the argument about Nightveil, Nightveil works well because it's easy to cast in two big decks (Mono black and mono blue); you don't need to have both black and blue at the time of playing it to be able to play it. For Initiative, you need both red and white at all times to cast it.
Yeow. Gisela just got demoted to maindeck. He'll come down between 2-4 turns earlier and help push even more damage through before the battlecruisers start coming down. Sick.
I don't understand why you "need to" keep two mana open with Initiative. That's not at all the point. Regardless of whether or not the card is actually good, the ability is just upside. If you have two mana open (because you're avoiding overextending anyway, flooded slightly or ran a bit out of gas), you have something very useful. If not, oh well, it's an anthem (if played with gold creatures).
With the new land that's been revealed, I think Iroas' odds of seeing play have been improved. Mana Confluence is going to help dual colored aggro decks a lot.
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Not sure if this is right, but I think you need both 7 red and 7 white so if you have 5 red and 7 white he is still a enchantment... not sure if I am reading it right, but it is a very interesting card that I can see being played in lots of RW decks that can out race most decks.
Not sure if this is right, but I think you need both 7 red and 7 white so if you have 5 red and 7 white he is still a enchantment... not sure if I am reading it right, but it is a very interesting card that I can see being played in lots of RW decks that can out race most decks.
Nope, just a total of 7 red or white, not 7 of each.
The point of agro decks is tapping your creatures and charge. Generally, it's attrition. Every turn you do this, you lose a creature by chump blocks. You attack with 2, you lose 1. You attack with 3, you lose 1. With Iroas, you are giving up your fourth turn creature in order to never lose a creature again and double the amount of creatures that do their damage to the player. So turn after turn, you attack with 3, you lose none. Next turn, attack with 4, lose none etc.
Sure, they may have removal, but that would also be the case with Iroas not on the field.
I think this is a very good God. Very good in EDH, very good in casual and certainly playable in standard. And after Iroas, you have Boros Charms to protect the ever increasing amount of creatures on your side of the table.
I agree with you! My only issue with him is that he kinda nerfs Boros Reckoner... Still think reckoner is a good choice though
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It started at $9.99 (I bought 2). It sold out. SCG increased the price. Seems normal business to me.
It was a joke. I have never seen a price double before after one sell out
Creatures are very different. They win the game on their own. Initiative does not. Iroas does not.
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Yes, but legion also gives devotion, is stackable, but most importantly is harder to remove while making your creatures harder to remove, which is a problem for aggro decks right now.
It's just an idea. I'm still going to try it.
In fact if any card completely warps standard around itself it usually is on the realm of Jace, the Mind Sculptor good or something. They don't like printing those cards and usually they come out once every few years.
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I'm not sure. Like I said, it's just an idea, because of the combination of facts that Legion contributes to the aggro strat, offers a way to protect vs removal, and adds 2 devotion while being rather hard to remove.
It could be a dud. I still think it's worth a test, though. It's not like Legion's gonna cost me that much to try.
C'mon so a virtual Honor of the Pure that allows your creatures to dodge wrath effects is unplayable now? I think that is judging a bit harshly. Boros hasn't had the cards to support it yet but there are a lot of cards yet to be seen.
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Yes. A hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana is unplayable.
For reference: see the past year.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
So your point is Initiative has been trash so it will always be trash? That seems to be ignoring the Nightveil Specter point again.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
No, my point is that it is a hard to cast Honor of the Pure which often only grants +1 power or toughness with an ability that requires you to keep up mana. The past year just provides further evidence that I am right.
Check out http://www.mtgbrodeals.com/author/john-murphy/ for my EDH articles!
As for the argument about Nightveil, Nightveil works well because it's easy to cast in two big decks (Mono black and mono blue); you don't need to have both black and blue at the time of playing it to be able to play it. For Initiative, you need both red and white at all times to cast it.
UBDragonlord Silumgar WGKarametra, God of Harvests
BRUNekusar, the Mindrazer BGMazirek, Kraul Death Priest
URMelek, Izzet Paragon UGPrime Speaker Zegana
WUHanna, Ship's Navigator BWUSydri, Galvanic Genius
WUBRGSliver Queen RBBladewing the Risen
WBKarlov of the Ghost Council RGXenagos, God of Revels
GFreyalise, Llanowar's Fury RWAurelia, the Warleader
RIb Halfheart, Goblin Tactician BDrana, Liberator of Malakir
UAzami, Lady of Scrolls WNahiri, the Lithomancer
WBGDoran, the Siege Tower CEmrakul, the Promised End
I had a feeling the enemy colored minor gods were going to be good but so far the two we've seen are exceeding expectations.
he really fits in well with most Boros strat.
Nope, just a total of 7 red or white, not 7 of each.
I agree with you! My only issue with him is that he kinda nerfs Boros Reckoner... Still think reckoner is a good choice though