How legit is this? I mean the art and set symbols were shown a while back. What's stopping some random person from posting a fake to the internet. I don't use reddit so I don't know if the OP there is reliable or not, obviously the mods here think it's legit, but with all of the Born gods having only one ability and the sheer power level of this make me question its validity.
Dont get ahead of yourself guys and pre-order that guy and all that. Remember Purphoros, God of the Forge and Xenagos, God of Revels who where also hyped to no end? They didn't do anything in Standard. And Iroas wont improve your matchups either against the Black decks and the UW/x Control decks which are right now the most dominant decks in the format because they are not about creature battles and run a million removal spells and he gets eaten by Lifebane Zombie just like Xenagos, God of Revels.
I don't know a single good red mage that thought Purp was a viable aggro card even when he just got spoiled. He is a boss in Devotion to red decks though.
Also, Xenagos is a staple in G/R monsters
This is exactly why I said he isn't a $20 card. That is way to inflated of a price due to hype. The low teens seems to be a good range for this one atm. Both Purphoros and Xenagos couldn't retain the value they presold at... I wouldn't go ordering this one at a premium.
Dont get ahead of yourself guys and pre-order that guy and all that. Remember Purphoros, God of the Forge and Xenagos, God of Revels who where also hyped to no end? They didn't do anything in Standard. And Iroas wont improve your matchups either against the Black decks and the UW/x Control decks which are right now the most dominant decks in the format because they are not about creature battles and run a million removal spells and he gets eaten by Lifebane Zombie just like Xenagos, God of Revels.
I don't know a single good red mage that thought Purp was a viable aggro card even when he just got spoiled. He is a boss in Devotion to red decks though.
Also, Xenagos is a staple in G/R monsters
We must have different opinions then on what is considered a stable.
I consider Polukranos, World Eater and Stormbreath Dragon GR Monsters stables since they are played as a four-of in every list. Xenagos, God of Revels on the other hand is not played in the majority of lists and as one-of or a two-of max when he is played. Besides GR Monsters is not winning tournaments really. The matchups against the big decks are too bad for that.
That is what Im talking about really. In spoiler season people seem to blend out the actual meta and what the big decks are and why there are in that position in the first place. This card does nothing against Mono-Black and its variants and UW/x Control and even Burn since you will never reach Devotion against these decks and the ability of him is useless either since they wont have many blockers in the first place.
I know its spoiler season and everything is exciting etc. but I like people to stay realistic. Brimaz, King of Oreskos didnt do anything to Standard either even though he is clearly pushed
Dont get ahead of yourself guys and pre-order that guy and all that. Remember Purphoros, God of the Forge and Xenagos, God of Revels who where also hyped to no end? They didn't do anything in Standard. And Iroas wont improve your matchups either against the Black decks and the UW/x Control decks which are right now the most dominant decks in the format because they are not about creature battles and run a million removal spells and he gets eaten by Lifebane Zombie just like Xenagos, God of Revels.
I don't know a single good red mage that thought Purp was a viable aggro card even when he just got spoiled. He is a boss in Devotion to red decks though.
Also, Xenagos is a staple in G/R monsters
We must have different opinions then on what is considered a stable.
I consider Polukranos, World Eater and Stormbreath Dragon GR Monsters stables since they are played as a four-of in every list. Xenagos, God of Revels on the other hand is not played in the majority of lists and as one-of or a two-of max when he is played. Besides GR Monsters is not winning tournaments really. The matchups against the big decks are too bad for that.
That is what Im talking about really. In spoiler season people seem to blend out the actual meta and what the big decks are and why there are in that position in the first place. This card does nothing against Mono-Black and its variants and UW/x Control and even Burn since you will never reach Devotion against these decks and the ability of him is useless either since they wont have many blockers in the first place.
I know its spoiler season and everything is exciting etc. but I like people to stay realistic. Brimaz, King of Oreskos didnt do anything to Standard either even though he is clearly pushed
^^^ This. The current meta is extremely important to keep in mind when viewing prices on preorders. This card does nothing against Devo Black but does seem to be able to fit into RW Burn which has been topping out lately. It effectively gets your Phoenix's past Desecration if you haven't already chained him to a rock.
I have mixed feelings. This card is great, which...is great, but it is going to be a $30+ card for a long while, making the forced realignment from mono red to boros very costly.
I don't see this as a $30 card. It's running about $15 preorder, which seems about right, and I don't expect it to rise beyond that. Seemed good at first, but really isn't.
^^^ This. The current meta is extremely important to keep in mind when viewing prices on preorders. This card does nothing against Devo Black but does seem to be able to fit into RW Burn which has been topping out lately. It effectively gets your Phoenix's past Desecration if you haven't already chained him to a rock.
It kind of sucks in RW Burn though. Not enough creatures/devotion for it to do anything. Might be viable in some sort of Boros weenie, though in that case, it probably would be run as a 2-off at most.
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
Ooh, the second true limited nightmare God. "Hey, remember how little fun it was to play against Armored Transport enchanted with Madcap Skills? What if we printed a card that did that to your opponent's entire side of the board!"
This one changes nothing in the current meta, will be great in limited if you're lucky enought to pull one.
Hope the other gods also have two static abilities.
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I was anticipating the RW god more than any other card in this set, but this seems alot weaker than people are imagining. IF none of your other creatures die to removal and IF you somehow make it to the attack step with this god activated then obviously this guy is awesome. But put that strategy against all the tier 1 decks dominating standard at the moment and I'm not sure the deck gets there. Do you really think your opponent will not interact with your board for five turns? Maybe post-rotation this guy will be viable, but I'm not betting on it.
I find it hilarious that the first responses in this thread were all gushing about the synergy with Boros Reckoner while there is quite obviously negative synergy there. It think this is a card that bad players will wildly overvalue like say... Boros Reckoner?
Wow, I just realized what great synergy he has with Brimaz, King of Oreskos. Besides the 2 devotion count, Brimaz can swing against anything and everything without worrying about getting killed. Cat token city!
Synergy indeed. King Oreo also pushes devotion considerably, so you could conceivably run the God itself, King, and a durdle or 2 and have the devotion met. Now you're essentially unblockable and hitting like a truck. Throw in Boros Charm and some burn and you'll push very fast games.
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
I was anticipating the RW god more than any other card in this set, but this seems alot weaker than people are imagining. IF none of your other creatures die to removal and IF you somehow make it to the attack step with this god activated then obviously this guy is awesome. But put that strategy against all the tier 1 decks dominating standard at the moment and I'm not sure the deck gets there. Do you really think your opponent will not interact with your board for five turns? Maybe post-rotation this guy will be viable, but I'm not betting on it.
I find it hilarious that the first responses in this thread were all gushing about the synergy with Boros Reckoner while there is quite obviously negative synergy there. It think this is a card that bad players will wildly overvalue like say... Boros Reckoner?
Boros Reckoner dominated a frikin' pro tour. RW Devotion got hated out by mass control, but that doesn't mean Reckoner is at fault. It's still a very powerful 3 drop, and dying to 2-mana/3-mana Black removal spells hardly makes it overrated. It's Black. They kill things. Just play more things and move on.
And Iroas will not have to wait for rotation. Play it in a deck that goes wide (12 one drops) and the Mono Black player won't be able to Devour Flesh/Downfall fast enough to keep you off men. Then you can just jam Iroas and his solo Nightveil Specter/Demon will block nothing. Even against T1 Thoughtseize/T2 removal/T3 specter/T4 demon (a great, great curve for Mono Black) this card could still impact the board.
And if you're worried about Supreme Verdict? Boros Charm. 4 copies. Done.
Drown in Sorrow is still around, but at the very least, White Weenie strategies can win an event or two before Drown in Sorrow starts seeing play.
Since I play almost nothing but Boros, I was really excited when I first saw this. I still like it, but my initial hype has calmed down a bit.
He's definitely good, but I don't think the current standard meta is good for him. Too much removal is seeing play. Though, I remember seeing a W/r deck list that had 2 Chandra in it to help get around blockers. Maybe this would be best in a white based aggro list, with Brave the Elements and Boros Charm protecting your board state.
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It's hilarious that people think this is a great card while the new black wrath is horrible. Truth is, both are between "meh" and "ok" but the black wrath have five times more chance to see play then this.
I can see this god being run in a white splash red kind of deck. Precinct Captain and Brimaz being very hard to block with Iroas will give you solid board presence. His abilities are good enough as a static enchantment without being turned on.
He's definitely good, but I think he only appears broken because the last two sets have been so underpowered. I sure hope he isn't the only playable God this time around. Wizards isn't exactly the type to save the best for last.
I never bought into the hype for Purphoros, God of the Forge and Mogis, God of Slaughter, I knew right from the beginning they wouldn't be used in aggressive deck. However, I believe Iroas has potential, even if only in sideboards. He is a great way to give aggressive deck an edge over midrange ones. Also, as pointed by some, he synergises very well with Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Precinct Captain.
He is pretty bad against control decks, which is why I don't think he'll see much (if any) maindeck play. At least for this particular Standard.
No one's seeing Legion's Initiative as an effective way of dodging removal and synergizing with this god (devotion, effect grants more power in attacking for red)?
this guy is insane finally the first god you deffinily will have active red aggro haste guys with spear and hammer and he is pretty much active you just need one creature at that point
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This is exactly why I said he isn't a $20 card. That is way to inflated of a price due to hype. The low teens seems to be a good range for this one atm. Both Purphoros and Xenagos couldn't retain the value they presold at... I wouldn't go ordering this one at a premium.
We must have different opinions then on what is considered a stable.
I consider Polukranos, World Eater and Stormbreath Dragon GR Monsters stables since they are played as a four-of in every list. Xenagos, God of Revels on the other hand is not played in the majority of lists and as one-of or a two-of max when he is played. Besides GR Monsters is not winning tournaments really. The matchups against the big decks are too bad for that.
That is what Im talking about really. In spoiler season people seem to blend out the actual meta and what the big decks are and why there are in that position in the first place. This card does nothing against Mono-Black and its variants and UW/x Control and even Burn since you will never reach Devotion against these decks and the ability of him is useless either since they wont have many blockers in the first place.
I know its spoiler season and everything is exciting etc. but I like people to stay realistic. Brimaz, King of Oreskos didnt do anything to Standard either even though he is clearly pushed
^^^ This. The current meta is extremely important to keep in mind when viewing prices on preorders. This card does nothing against Devo Black but does seem to be able to fit into RW Burn which has been topping out lately. It effectively gets your Phoenix's past Desecration if you haven't already chained him to a rock.
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At first I was like "seems good" but then I was like "my creatures still die to removal".
Removal is the problem in the current standard, not getting blocked.
Not seeing it being a hit in Modern in the 4cmc spot as Elspeth 1.0 is still better.
He might demand more money for Commander though.
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It kind of sucks in RW Burn though. Not enough creatures/devotion for it to do anything. Might be viable in some sort of Boros weenie, though in that case, it probably would be run as a 2-off at most.
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I find it hilarious that the first responses in this thread were all gushing about the synergy with Boros Reckoner while there is quite obviously negative synergy there. It think this is a card that bad players will wildly overvalue like say... Boros Reckoner?
Synergy indeed. King Oreo also pushes devotion considerably, so you could conceivably run the God itself, King, and a durdle or 2 and have the devotion met. Now you're essentially unblockable and hitting like a truck. Throw in Boros Charm and some burn and you'll push very fast games.
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Boros Reckoner dominated a frikin' pro tour. RW Devotion got hated out by mass control, but that doesn't mean Reckoner is at fault. It's still a very powerful 3 drop, and dying to 2-mana/3-mana Black removal spells hardly makes it overrated. It's Black. They kill things. Just play more things and move on.
And Iroas will not have to wait for rotation. Play it in a deck that goes wide (12 one drops) and the Mono Black player won't be able to Devour Flesh/Downfall fast enough to keep you off men. Then you can just jam Iroas and his solo Nightveil Specter/Demon will block nothing. Even against T1 Thoughtseize/T2 removal/T3 specter/T4 demon (a great, great curve for Mono Black) this card could still impact the board.
And if you're worried about Supreme Verdict? Boros Charm. 4 copies. Done.
Drown in Sorrow is still around, but at the very least, White Weenie strategies can win an event or two before Drown in Sorrow starts seeing play.
He's definitely good, but I don't think the current standard meta is good for him. Too much removal is seeing play. Though, I remember seeing a W/r deck list that had 2 Chandra in it to help get around blockers. Maybe this would be best in a white based aggro list, with Brave the Elements and Boros Charm protecting your board state.
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He is pretty bad against control decks, which is why I don't think he'll see much (if any) maindeck play. At least for this particular Standard.