I feel like the lack of synergy with Reckoner might be the factor that holds Boros decks back from being tournament worthy.
Reckoner is good because you can't attack into it, block it, or kill it through damage without a steep penalty, yes?
Well, with Iroas you can't block it anyway, and Iroas is blank on their turn, so you still can't attack into it or deal damage to it except during...nope, Dolmen Gate.
I feel like the lack of synergy with Reckoner might be the factor that holds Boros decks back from being tournament worthy.
Reckoner is good because you can't attack into it, block it, or kill it through damage without a steep penalty, yes?
Well, with Iroas you can't block it anyway, and Iroas is blank on their turn, so you still can't attack into it or deal damage to it except during...nope, Dolmen Gate.
I'm having trouble with finding the nonbo.
You should peruse the thread then, several people have commented on it. R/W is constantly attacking, so you lose a big chunk of the value of Reckoner with Iroas out. He becomes just another RW 3/3 during combat. This doesn't wreck the strategy by any means, but you usually don't want overlapping effects like that in a competitive deck.
I feel like the lack of synergy with Reckoner might be the factor that holds Boros decks back from being tournament worthy.
1) Reckoner is good without the god
2) Reckoner is still good with him as a 3/3 that needs to be blocked by 2 or more creatures and providing 3 devotion.
All true. Is that enough to make it tourney worthy? Time will tell...
Play this in limited and you win. Provided your not horribly behind. This is very good and also good in Gisella EDH. Actually calls for a deck to be built around him too with that perma Goblin Wardrum effect
Crypt Horror adds exactly as much devotion to this god as any red/white hybrid cards with 2 red/white hybrid mana.
Flavor fail for the way they chose to tackle hybrid mana; Red/black and red/blue definitely should not add as much devotion as red/white, from a flavor perspective. If there was such a thing as in-game-world-logic -- it would be logical as well, that white/red hybrid mana adds more devotion than r/b, r/g, r/u, w/u, w/b or w/g. But it doesn't.
But...
By the gods...
The god is just absurd.
Talk about pushing aggro strategies.
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But the worst part is, Rakdos aggro loves this creature.
Rakdos Cackler.
Rakdos Shred Freak.
There's a huge problem with this card. How many 4cmc slots are you gonna cater for a strictly Boros deck. It's 4cmc, and that's alot of mana for an aggressive strategy.
That said, I'll see it as a 4cmc enchantment. Works best in a mirror; not so against removal-heavy decks like MB and Esper.
I think it's a fair card, nothing more. Should be bonkers in limited. Possibly at Phenax's power level. Maybe not.
For anyone who is saying that this card won't be amazing in limited, I wonder how many times you played Gruul War Chant during Dragon Maze drafts. That card won me plenty of games, and this seems like basically the same thing except it can turn into an additional beater rather than give +1/+0.
For standard, I think he is good enough. Against other creature decks, he provides a bonus the turn he comes out, he makes Briaz insane, and he's not extremely hard to turn on thanks to Boros Reckoner.
I know people are thinking the Reckoner, and don't get me wrong, he isn't bad with this, but to me creatures with Vigilance are just godly with this. You can then attack each turn even if you're behind, knowing that either you're putting damage through, or killing some of your opponents creatures to help you catch up while still keeping yourself in good shape with blocks.
In the 3 cmc slot, I think I prefer either Anax and Cymede or Brimaz to the Reckoner. They don't get you all the way there devotion wise, but its worth keeping in mind that you don't necessarily have to turn this guy into a creature to have him be extremely effective.
Very good with Brimaz and Eidolon of Countless Battles. I don't think he is a new $20 card though, I would say he is $12-$13 max. Look at xenagos, he was almost $20 and is now sitting between 12-13.
I don't see why everyone think Reckoner will suck with this guy. A 3/3 guy with first strike and 3 devotion is still fantastic. And he still redirects damage if he is burned or blocks. How is that any loss of value?
Dont get ahead of yourself guys and pre-order that guy and all that. Remember Purphoros, God of the Forge and Xenagos, God of Revels who where also hyped to no end? They didn't do anything in Standard. And Iroas wont improve your matchups either against the Black decks and the UW/x Control decks which are right now the most dominant decks in the format because they are not about creature battles and run a million removal spells and he gets eaten by Lifebane Zombie just like Xenagos, God of Revels.
Despite how frustrated I was when they posted the god I wanted the least first, I can't deny how strong this card is. Though I get really irritated when players downplay a card because "dies to removal" or "useless on empty board" of course this is true but it feels like the polar opposite of magic christmas land, any card is terrible in worst case removal. "Sphinx rev? Oh it got countered, that sucks, such a bad card..."
Anyway, this card reminds me so many times in magic when you have plenty of life but your opponent has a better creatures so you can't risk losing some creatures for a few more life. With this guy if I attack all out, barring god removal, I can swing all out with my army of 1/1s or whatever against my opponent's two 5/5s and they don't earn anything other than a few life by blocking, I don't lose creatures and he loses life. It provides insane benefits with a bunch of vigilance dudes.
That is just my opinion, the ability to pressure your opponent's life total with the chance of not losing card advantage to swing deep and not lose creatures I think is amazing. Furthermore... doesn't he affect himself?
Awesome, too abilities per god. But damage preventing is so meh. It might have play in weenie deck I guess. Still mediocre.
Aggro struggles against certain decks when they start landing fatties to block. With this, as long as you outnumber your opponent's creatures, you can still punch through. It gives aggro a serious boost that I think is far from mediocre.
This combined with Boros Charm and Rootborn Defenses to resist sweepers makes RW aggro much stronger.
Im thinking of a Boros midrange... Reckoner is still good -doesnt Iroas say attacking creatures? Most ppl use him to block anyways. Think of all the double white Precinct Captain, Brimaz, Spear, I'd probably play Akroan Hoplite with all the token gens. Could be fun.
When I first saw this card, I was thinking OVER POWERED!!! The more I look at him the less my internal hype has become. People have already stated the fact that the dominant decks already run good amounts of removal. I think he will be an FNM king, but at a professional level, he will likely make a showing early when the meta is all shaken up, but then fade away once people get used to the cards. Thinking far ahead however, judging by the names we think the next block will have, I think it is likely his stock will go back up again come rotation. The next block sound extremely combat oriented by it's likely name that Gods of combat tricks will be in quite a demand.
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Reckoner is good because you can't attack into it, block it, or kill it through damage without a steep penalty, yes?
Well, with Iroas you can't block it anyway, and Iroas is blank on their turn, so you still can't attack into it or deal damage to it except during...nope, Dolmen Gate.
I'm having trouble with finding the nonbo.
You should peruse the thread then, several people have commented on it. R/W is constantly attacking, so you lose a big chunk of the value of Reckoner with Iroas out. He becomes just another RW 3/3 during combat. This doesn't wreck the strategy by any means, but you usually don't want overlapping effects like that in a competitive deck.
All true. Is that enough to make it tourney worthy? Time will tell...
It is because maybe he is half horse?
Setting the joke aside, this god has a true potential. DEGA WBR decks along with Mogis seems possible (although NOT SURE if viable).
Crypt Horror adds exactly as much devotion to this god as any red/white hybrid cards with 2 red/white hybrid mana.
Flavor fail for the way they chose to tackle hybrid mana; Red/black and red/blue definitely should not add as much devotion as red/white, from a flavor perspective. If there was such a thing as in-game-world-logic -- it would be logical as well, that white/red hybrid mana adds more devotion than r/b, r/g, r/u, w/u, w/b or w/g. But it doesn't.
But...
By the gods...
The god is just absurd.
Talk about pushing aggro strategies.
...
But the worst part is, Rakdos aggro loves this creature.
Rakdos Cackler.
Rakdos Shred Freak.
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That said, I'll see it as a 4cmc enchantment. Works best in a mirror; not so against removal-heavy decks like MB and Esper.
I think it's a fair card, nothing more. Should be bonkers in limited. Possibly at Phenax's power level. Maybe not.
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For standard, I think he is good enough. Against other creature decks, he provides a bonus the turn he comes out, he makes Briaz insane, and he's not extremely hard to turn on thanks to Boros Reckoner.
In the 3 cmc slot, I think I prefer either Anax and Cymede or Brimaz to the Reckoner. They don't get you all the way there devotion wise, but its worth keeping in mind that you don't necessarily have to turn this guy into a creature to have him be extremely effective.
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Anyway, this card reminds me so many times in magic when you have plenty of life but your opponent has a better creatures so you can't risk losing some creatures for a few more life. With this guy if I attack all out, barring god removal, I can swing all out with my army of 1/1s or whatever against my opponent's two 5/5s and they don't earn anything other than a few life by blocking, I don't lose creatures and he loses life. It provides insane benefits with a bunch of vigilance dudes.
That is just my opinion, the ability to pressure your opponent's life total with the chance of not losing card advantage to swing deep and not lose creatures I think is amazing. Furthermore... doesn't he affect himself?
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Aggro struggles against certain decks when they start landing fatties to block. With this, as long as you outnumber your opponent's creatures, you can still punch through. It gives aggro a serious boost that I think is far from mediocre.
This combined with Boros Charm and Rootborn Defenses to resist sweepers makes RW aggro much stronger.
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