Any idea on when these new release will arrive in stores? Walmart near me has no commander decks left and hasn't restocked in we\eaks and the Target has the same Power Hungry and Nature of the beast left overs.
Honestly, this is the best they can do as far as getting more TNNs into circulation goes, considering that the card is waaay too good for Standard and Modern. With the first Commander decks, they weren't worried, because Scooze was a safe bet for a Standard-legal reprint, but this time around, they released a format-warper and now they're trying to do something to mitigate TNN's eventual spike when the Commander decks aren't on the shelves anymore.
Modern Masters was a success, although I feel like every year we move away from it, it becomes less and less of one. Still as long as we see another Modern Masters style product in a year or two, and it includes cards like Goyf, Fetches, and Bob, and it sees a significantly larger print run, it'll be fine.
I feel like Goyf should be a 50-80 dollar card, not a 200 dollar one. I'm fine with 20-30 dollar fetches. The real issue is when the barrier to your format is every competitive deck requires a playset or two of cards that cost 100+ dollars.
And it would be one thing if these expensive cards were exciting to buy. I have my Legacy collection, and all my staples. I can tell you from experience, that buying Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 100 dollars feels much better than buying dual lands for 100 dollars, if only because the card is much more exciting to play.
Tarmogoyf? Sure, it's crazy efficient, but it's not exciting. It's nowhere near $200 exciting. And the same applies to fetch lands. It's why I get a bad taste in my mouth whenever Wizards prints cards that are simple utility cards at high rarity. Hell, I feel like the only reason Tarmogoyf was a rare and not uncommon to begin with is because it was showing off new card types in Future Sight.
ON TOPIC: I think this will help with TNN demand, although only temporarily. The real issue is once this is gone, and it's still a Legacy staple. Although by then, I feel like we're going to need to see Wizards get creative about helping Legacy, because dual lands are getting kinda ridiculous already.
I can tell you from experience, that buying Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 100 dollars feels much better than buying dual lands for 100 dollars, if only because the card is much more exciting to play.
This is exactly where I'm at. I don't think every single playable card should be dirt cheap, and I don't think that's possible or good for a format... and I don't mind paying a bit for splashy cards like Sword of X&Y, Jace and Lily, Bob, Snapcaster, Vial, Thalia, Baneslayer, Pod, Kiki, Twin, Rev ++, but paying a lot for lands just feels so much more like I'm paying an entrance fee. They're just kinda there. Same goes for simple utility spells, such as Path and Remand and Thoughtseize. I just bought some Sword of Light and Shadow, but I really don't feel like paying the same price for Noble Hierarch, because no matter how back-breakingly good he is, he's still a mana dork with an upside at the end of the day.
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the real mistake was making a deck that sucks and putting money cards in it while the other decks, much more functional than this one, had no real financial value (except for eternal bargain). mos people bought the product for the money cards in it and not for the fun you're supposed to have with the decks. i hope next time they print something like TNN they put into a special set for legacy, because those things just ruin the products that otherwise could have been better. for instance, TNN isnt even a good card in commander, even if it is innovative design
the real mistake was making a deck that sucks and putting money cards in it while the other decks, much more functional than this one, had no real financial value (except for eternal bargain). mos people bought the product for the money cards in it and not for the fun you're supposed to have with the decks. i hope next time they print something like TNN they put into a special set for legacy, because those things just ruin the products that otherwise could have been better. for instance, TNN isnt even a good card in commander, even if it is innovative design
The deck is actually pretty good if you use Nekusar as the commander. I kind of suspect he originally was, but they changed it so the primary commanders would all have special command zone functionality (and/or he originally did have such functionality a la Oloro but they changed it because that would be broken).
Modern Masters was a success, although I feel like every year we move away from it, it becomes less and less of one.
Heck the need for a regular Modern Masters, officially scheduled and everything. My favorite idea is to make Modern Masters a full print run every other year in summer, and then make the CORE be an every other year thing again, alternating with Modern Masters.
As for the Mind Seize decks, I still have yet to see any in my local Targets or Wal-Marts, and I doubt they've started shipping.
Honestly, this is the best they can do as far as getting more TNNs into circulation goes, considering that the card is waaay too good for Standard and Modern. With the first Commander decks, they weren't worried, because Scooze was a safe bet for a Standard-legal reprint, but this time around, they released a format-warper and now they're trying to do something to mitigate TNN's eventual spike when the Commander decks aren't on the shelves anymore.
It might be better if they put TNN in Conspiracy. It's a multiplayer format and this is being highlighted as a multiplayer card.
Honestly, this is the best they can do as far as getting more TNNs into circulation goes, considering that the card is waaay too good for Standard and Modern. With the first Commander decks, they weren't worried, because Scooze was a safe bet for a Standard-legal reprint, but this time around, they released a format-warper and now they're trying to do something to mitigate TNN's eventual spike when the Commander decks aren't on the shelves anymore.
It might be better if they put TNN in Conspiracy. It's a multiplayer format and this is being highlighted as a multiplayer card.
They would have had to have made that decision before Commander 2013 was actually released, though. Entirely possible that they did, for the reasons you mention, but it's too late for an emergency reprint to bring the price down.
Hell, I feel like the only reason Tarmogoyf was a rare and not uncommon to begin with is because it was showing off new card types in Future Sight.
We know that. It was a last minute replacement for the planeswalker slot in Future Sight. It's the same thing that happened with Lotus Cobra, who replaced a green legend. Nowdays, though, if they don't have time to test, they fill holes with cards that are clearly safe because they're low powered. That way, we don't end up with $100 Goyfs and mistakes like Jitte or Skullclamp.
I can tell you from experience, that buying Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 100 dollars feels much better than buying dual lands for 100 dollars, if only because the card is much more exciting to play.
This is exactly where I'm at. I don't think every single playable card should be dirt cheap, and I don't think that's possible or good for a format... and I don't mind paying a bit for splashy cards like Sword of X&Y, Jace and Lily, Bob, Snapcaster, Vial, Thalia, Baneslayer, Pod, Kiki, Twin, Rev ++, but paying a lot for lands just feels so much more like I'm paying an entrance fee. They're just kinda there. Same goes for simple utility spells, such as Path and Remand and Thoughtseize. I just bought some Sword of Light and Shadow, but I really don't feel like paying the same price for Noble Hierarch, because no matter how back-breakingly good he is, he's still a mana dork with an upside at the end of the day.
Same Here. I want to live in a world, where it isn't fetches and duals that are a bazillion dollars each. Where cards that feel good to play are expensive, just like jace and lilly. I wish it was the cards that actually win games, like l-bolt and delver which were more expensive than just the cards that make decks run smoother. Tooo bad fetches and duals are modern and legacy staples and are immediate 3 ofs or more in every single colored legacy deck
Same Here. I want to live in a world, where it isn't fetches and duals that are a bazillion dollars each. Where cards that feel good to play are expensive, just like jace and lilly. I wish it was the cards that actually win games, like l-bolt and delver which were more expensive than just the cards that make decks run smoother. Tooo bad fetches and duals are modern and legacy staples and are immediate 3 ofs or more in every single colored legacy deck
If you think Lightning Bolt should be an expensive card, I could not disagree with you more. It's a non-splashy, bread-and-butter utility spell.
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Same Here. I want to live in a world, where it isn't fetches and duals that are a bazillion dollars each. Where cards that feel good to play are expensive, just like jace and lilly. I wish it was the cards that actually win games, like l-bolt and delver which were more expensive than just the cards that make decks run smoother. Tooo bad fetches and duals are modern and legacy staples and are immediate 3 ofs or more in every single colored legacy deck
If you think Lightning Bolt should be an expensive card, I could not disagree with you more. It's a non-splashy, bread-and-butter utility spell.
My point is that if we removed fetches and duals. The vast majority of Legacy decks could still function. If we took away Delvers from Delver decks and Lightning bolts/other burn cards from burn decks, they could not function. I want to live in a world where these cards are more expensive than just the cards that makes decks run smoother
Well at the rate Wizards are going, if they ever reprinted Lightning Bolt, it's gonna be uncommon. Same goes for Pacifism. I like the direction they're taking, but please do not make them at rare. Spot removal at rare jacks prices up unnecessarily. It should be accessible to those wanting to play constructed at reasonable cost (like under $2). If Wizards care about the community and the newbies. They should at least make removal affordable.
As for this announcement, this has been Wizards mistake and they owned up to it. Sadly, things doesn't seem to be moving; it appears no one is stocking up on Commander2013; the hype is gone. So it ends up being a failure of a solution, since the response wasn't swift enough (the usual).
For a cube owner like me, it looks like owning a $10 TNN would be nothing but a pipe dream...
I do see your point, and I mostly agree with everything you wrote except the bolt part, but let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment and say that if Bolt was expensive, running Lighting Bolt over Lightning Strike would be a bit like running shocks+fetches over basics/Terramorphic Expanse, and in both cases you'd have to pay more money for consistency and efficiency. We shouldn't be paying money for consistency/efficiency (what you refer to as "smoothness"), but for unique functions.
If Bolt was a rare/mythic, it would be incredibly expensive because it goes in so many decks, just like fetches and shocks, Thoughtseize and Path. These are very good cards largely devoid of a deck identity, but not buying them gives you a competitive disadvantage, so buying these cards feels a lot like an entrance fee.
You also gave Delver as an excellent example on a card that should be expensive rather than fetches. It fits the bill because no other card does what Delver does. It's unique and irreplaceable, and it goes in a certain archetype, which makes it a card it would feel better to cough up a few bucks for than something that's in half the decks and does what it does just a little bit better than the 20 other cards that do approximately the same thing.
I should probably add that I'm not claiming that this would actually work, format wise or market wise. I'm leaving the market analyses to those who know more about it than me, I'm just making wishes here.
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I honestly cannot believe we are talking about making bolt a rare or mythic. It is one of the most played cards in Modern. Widely used utility spells should be affordable and accessible.
Of course, this is still pocket change compared to shelling out somewhere between $600 and $700 for your two playsets of fetchlands, but paying $30-40 for a set of Lightning Bolts could very well have been reality if it hadn't been printed extensively at common. They're currently printing cards such as Hero's Downfall, Dreadbore, Chained to the Rocks and Detention Sphere at rare. There is no way Path would have been an uncommon if it was printed in Theros. Just saying.
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Of course, this is still pocket change compared to shelling out somewhere between $600 and $700 for your two playsets of fetchlands, but paying $30-40 for a set of Lightning Bolts could very well have been reality if it hadn't been printed extensively at common. They're currently printing cards such as Hero's Downfall, Dreadbore, Chained to the Rocks and Detention Sphere at rare. There is no way Path would have been an uncommon if it was printed in Theros. Just saying.
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Remand getting a reprint in the duel deck really didn't help the price all that much lol.
Yeah take my stated prices with a pinch of salt, I just ripped the prices from mtggoldfish instead of searching through different stores because it wouldn't make a speck of difference for the purpose of my post whether Remand costs $8 or $14 or $20. No need to accuse me of making things up though, if that's what you actually meant to do.
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Any news on the 2 Mindseize + 3 random commander batch hitting stores yet? My local Walmart has not had commander in stock for months and the Target has the same 2 Prossh decks on the shelf without a restock for the last month or so.
Went to a Walmart in Vancouver WA today and I believe I've see some of the first rollouts of this new distribution scheme. It looked as if the distributor had just stocked (everything was still neat on the displays) and there were 2 Mind Seize, 2 Power Hungry, and 1 Evasive Maneuvers. I was at this same Walmart 3 days ago and they had no Commander decks on the shelf and had been out for a few weeks. So keep an eye out
Went to a Walmart in Vancouver WA today and I believe I've see some of the first rollouts of this new distribution scheme. It looked as if the distributor had just stocked (everything was still neat on the displays) and there were 2 Mind Seize, 2 Power Hungry, and 1 Evasive Maneuvers. I was at this same Walmart 3 days ago and they had no Commander decks on the shelf and had been out for a few weeks. So keep an eye out
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In my area, the Jund one is the bigger shelfwarmer.
I feel like Goyf should be a 50-80 dollar card, not a 200 dollar one. I'm fine with 20-30 dollar fetches. The real issue is when the barrier to your format is every competitive deck requires a playset or two of cards that cost 100+ dollars.
And it would be one thing if these expensive cards were exciting to buy. I have my Legacy collection, and all my staples. I can tell you from experience, that buying Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 100 dollars feels much better than buying dual lands for 100 dollars, if only because the card is much more exciting to play.
Tarmogoyf? Sure, it's crazy efficient, but it's not exciting. It's nowhere near $200 exciting. And the same applies to fetch lands. It's why I get a bad taste in my mouth whenever Wizards prints cards that are simple utility cards at high rarity. Hell, I feel like the only reason Tarmogoyf was a rare and not uncommon to begin with is because it was showing off new card types in Future Sight.
ON TOPIC: I think this will help with TNN demand, although only temporarily. The real issue is once this is gone, and it's still a Legacy staple. Although by then, I feel like we're going to need to see Wizards get creative about helping Legacy, because dual lands are getting kinda ridiculous already.
This is exactly where I'm at. I don't think every single playable card should be dirt cheap, and I don't think that's possible or good for a format... and I don't mind paying a bit for splashy cards like Sword of X&Y, Jace and Lily, Bob, Snapcaster, Vial, Thalia, Baneslayer, Pod, Kiki, Twin, Rev ++, but paying a lot for lands just feels so much more like I'm paying an entrance fee. They're just kinda there. Same goes for simple utility spells, such as Path and Remand and Thoughtseize. I just bought some Sword of Light and Shadow, but I really don't feel like paying the same price for Noble Hierarch, because no matter how back-breakingly good he is, he's still a mana dork with an upside at the end of the day.
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/shoots evil look at speculators.
The deck is actually pretty good if you use Nekusar as the commander. I kind of suspect he originally was, but they changed it so the primary commanders would all have special command zone functionality (and/or he originally did have such functionality a la Oloro but they changed it because that would be broken).
Heck the need for a regular Modern Masters, officially scheduled and everything. My favorite idea is to make Modern Masters a full print run every other year in summer, and then make the CORE be an every other year thing again, alternating with Modern Masters.
As for the Mind Seize decks, I still have yet to see any in my local Targets or Wal-Marts, and I doubt they've started shipping.
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It might be better if they put TNN in Conspiracy. It's a multiplayer format and this is being highlighted as a multiplayer card.
They would have had to have made that decision before Commander 2013 was actually released, though. Entirely possible that they did, for the reasons you mention, but it's too late for an emergency reprint to bring the price down.
Same Here. I want to live in a world, where it isn't fetches and duals that are a bazillion dollars each. Where cards that feel good to play are expensive, just like jace and lilly. I wish it was the cards that actually win games, like l-bolt and delver which were more expensive than just the cards that make decks run smoother. Tooo bad fetches and duals are modern and legacy staples and are immediate 3 ofs or more in every single colored legacy deck
Decks:
Standard:
Gruul aggro
Modern:
MonoG infect
Edh:
Nekusar, Too bad you have to discard your deck at the end step.
Casual:
I'm trying to make tibalt work guys!
Dimir mill
I'll have you know when I saw Phenax spoiled,
I cried for only 20 minutes.
If you think Lightning Bolt should be an expensive card, I could not disagree with you more. It's a non-splashy, bread-and-butter utility spell.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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My point is that if we removed fetches and duals. The vast majority of Legacy decks could still function. If we took away Delvers from Delver decks and Lightning bolts/other burn cards from burn decks, they could not function. I want to live in a world where these cards are more expensive than just the cards that makes decks run smoother
Decks:
Standard:
Gruul aggro
Modern:
MonoG infect
Edh:
Nekusar, Too bad you have to discard your deck at the end step.
Casual:
I'm trying to make tibalt work guys!
Dimir mill
I'll have you know when I saw Phenax spoiled,
I cried for only 20 minutes.
As for this announcement, this has been Wizards mistake and they owned up to it. Sadly, things doesn't seem to be moving; it appears no one is stocking up on Commander2013; the hype is gone. So it ends up being a failure of a solution, since the response wasn't swift enough (the usual).
For a cube owner like me, it looks like owning a $10 TNN would be nothing but a pipe dream...
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If Bolt was a rare/mythic, it would be incredibly expensive because it goes in so many decks, just like fetches and shocks, Thoughtseize and Path. These are very good cards largely devoid of a deck identity, but not buying them gives you a competitive disadvantage, so buying these cards feels a lot like an entrance fee.
You also gave Delver as an excellent example on a card that should be expensive rather than fetches. It fits the bill because no other card does what Delver does. It's unique and irreplaceable, and it goes in a certain archetype, which makes it a card it would feel better to cough up a few bucks for than something that's in half the decks and does what it does just a little bit better than the 20 other cards that do approximately the same thing.
I should probably add that I'm not claiming that this would actually work, format wise or market wise. I'm leaving the market analyses to those who know more about it than me, I'm just making wishes here.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Thoughtseize $17
Path to Exile $7
Remand $14
Serum Visions $6
Of course, this is still pocket change compared to shelling out somewhere between $600 and $700 for your two playsets of fetchlands, but paying $30-40 for a set of Lightning Bolts could very well have been reality if it hadn't been printed extensively at common. They're currently printing cards such as Hero's Downfall, Dreadbore, Chained to the Rocks and Detention Sphere at rare. There is no way Path would have been an uncommon if it was printed in Theros. Just saying.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Remand getting a reprint in the duel deck really didn't help the price all that much lol.
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