It may not help experienced modern players but it sure does help modern players. I'm fairly new (couple of months) and by buying this deck (which I will), I'll be getting a lot of modern staples that I can use in other decks. Saying this doesn't help modern is going a little bit far. The value is there, even if it's not particularly valuable to you. For new players who are trying to get into modern, this deck isnt half bad.
The more I read these forums, the more I come to realize that MTG players demand so much without thinking about other types of players. Eh either way, it's good for me if people don't buy it, the MSRP might go down instead of wildly inflating like the Mindseize EDH deck.
I'm okay with this. I'll probably pick it up and mod it heavily. Not the best list ever, but hey, it has IoKs, so that's something.
I don't know, I have mixed feelings about this. I'm glad it isn't something speculators aren't going to snatch up completely, but it's still lightly disappointing considering what could have been put into it.
Wow, this is really, really bad. Indefensibly so. You can't nickel and dime your way up to $75 like that and expect rational folks to eat it. They don't seem to have tried at all to make this worth buying. Wow.
I feel like most of the people saying this is bad were hoping to buy it and get marsh flats, bitterblossom, thoughtseize, and fetid heath for $75, lol. I think most people legitimately trying to get into modern will enjoy this and get a lot of value out of it. I play BW tokens, and will gladly trade folks for cards from this deck that I need. As someone who's invested in cards like thoughtseize and godless shrine, I'm also happy that this wont crash the value of my deck.
I think a lot of people who were looking to buy this and make money hand-over-fist were hoping for something this product was never going to be. WotC clearly does not want products that sell for way over MSRP (look what they did for the Commander 2013 re-packs with double Mind Seize) and they want players interested in getting into Modern to buy this, not people already invested in the format. This deck is pretty good value for someone looking to get a bunch of nice format staples all in one place. Sure it has some cards that aren't played all that much in Modern (currently), but there was no way they were going to just print off a complete Tier 1 deck. This has 23 mythics/rares and most of the commons and uncommons are good playable cards in multiple archetypes (Path, Inquisition, Ghost Quarter, Relic, Lingering Souls, etc.). Could you go find all these cards cheaper on eBay? Sure. But you'd most likely have to make a bunch of different orders and pay shipping multiple times. Or you could just buy this and be done with it. There is value in convenience.
If you want to bash anything, bash the JOU Event Deck. That is truly awful.
Holy...wow. Why in the heck is this deck $75 MSRP? Wizards could have sold this for $30 and it would have been fine. Very disappointing, was really hoping for Auriok Champion. But seriously, no Marsh Flats? no Godless Shrines? No Fetid Heath? No Bitterblossom? No Mindcensor? Why did Hero of Bladehold get cut? I just don't get it.
Guess all I can say is take that, speculators/hoarders. Maybe some day Wizards will actually make a legitimate effort to help with the ridiculous secondary market that this game is developing.
Most people here used SCG or TCG prices for comparison. I'm going to use dirt-cheap steals from eBay:
4 Caves of Koilos = 2
2 City of Brass = 4
4 Isolated Chapel = 8
4 Windbrisk Heights = 12
3 Honor of the Pure = 2
2 Inquisition of Kozilek = 5
3 Path to Exile = 9
4 Spectral Procession = 2
1 Sword of Feast and Famine = 15
1 Elsepth, Knight-Errant = 12
3 Kataki, War's Wage = 3
That's a total of $74. Add in 1 dollar for all the chaff (hey, a buck for 4 lingering souls, 3 zealous persecution, dismembers, relic? Yea sure). Even if the price on these cards drop (I'm looking at you Windbrisk, Chapel and Koilos), you're looking at maybe, maaaaybe a loss of ... I dunno, 10 bucks? At most? (Yes, I'm somehow assuming Windbrisk goes to like $1.5 and Chapels to $1. Pretty negative scenario.) Assuming you were able to get stuff like IoKs at 2.5 each or PtE at 3 in the first place.
Plus now considering all of the speculators won't be buying this... It might not bring all that much into the secondary market. Which means this deck is definitely paying for itself. But everyone wants fetchlands (+30), Bitterblossom (+40), shocks (+7 per), so that they could all make a brick ton of money on a deck intended for new players to modern. What if you had to make a choice, and you got a Marsh Flat and 22 basic lands? Yea sure as a speculator people would be fine with it, but as a player? This is a decent (not amazing, but playable) manabase. All for the price of 1 Marsh Flat. As someone said above, people coming from Standard from RtR/Theros _will_ have some shocks and thoughtseizes and what not.
Now you can argue BW tokens is not tier 1 in modern. Yes but... jesus it's an Event Deck. Did you expect them to give you BirthingPod.dec, or chock in 4 Splinter Twins and a couple Snapcasters to boot? This is in straight continuity with their Standard Event Decks. It's playable, it's decently powered (might take an easy FNM, especially with some extra cards), and it gives you decent value for your buck.
As for _why_ the cards everyone expected are missing? I don't know, but if I were to print Modern Masters 2... I'd keep stuff like Bitterblossom for that. If I start printing all my expensive staples in precons, I'll have a hard time selling packs. Plus, Wizards already provided easily $75 in the secondary market (really, more like 120+ at even TCG low) at $75 MSRP. Not sure why we're dissing them, except maybe "I wanted free money in cardboard format and they only gave me an extra $10, not the $100 I expected".
While the TCP player prices where high and the SCG ones were ridiculous, "dirt-cheap steals from eBay" really isn't any better as the average sale price is 50% to 200% more than those prices.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I think hoping for fetches in a product such as an Event Deck is erroneous thinking anyway. There was never any chance, when you consider it. Event Decks are not, to my knowledge, produced as regular boxes for current editions are. They are also limited to a color pair. What would reprinting a single fetch in an event deck have achieved ? Scalpers and speculators getting their hands on most of them, and god knows what would have happened to the price of fetches. At best, it wouldn't have budged. In any case, reprinting a single fetchland is not going to be any help.
They only way WotC can hope to alleviate the situation is a mass reprint of all fetches in an entire block, and I feel they know this. That is how I look at the situation anyhow.
People you have to see the context:
Before RTR shocklands where hight now they are low
Before M14 mutavault was hight and is still high but on rotation will go cheap
Before THS thoughtseize was high n now is affordable ...
Wizards printed modern masters and modern event deck bringing more goodies( cards that while are not expensive they see major or regular play in modern s lists)...
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I think that this will at least do me good for the casual playgroup I run with since they tend to not run decks that are near close to competitive level of power but are still fun to play...they don't really like seeing me pull out my affinity deck hahaha. I don't play at LGS's anymore nor do I have ambition to become competitive due to cost of entry, expensive modern staples that is, (work + pay + bills = not a lot of money leftover for MTG) so a deck like this with some tweaking can find a good home in my deck rotation. My affinity deck did a number on my bank lol
not directly, people just assumed that from what they said.
And people have no patience, so WotC might deem "not so soon" as being "It's in Blood, but you guys can't wait till Fall 2015 - so it's far away!".
MaRo mentioned about just finishing Blood in Design and sending it over to Development. Considering Development is the one who usually decides the power-reprints (such as for Thoughtseize), pretty much now is the decision making for them to include Fetches or not.
They might not if Design told them something like "2016 is Return to Zendikar" though - they do have an outline for the next few sets afterwards (meaning around the 4-7 year mark.)
Definitely no Fetches in Huey, development was done with it before the major price spikes happened.
You don't need fetches to play a modern deck....I play both Merfolk and Mono Green Genesis Wave.
This Modern event deck is just fine for someone to enter with.
I even have a couple of legacy decks that does fairly well and they don't run fetches either.
Mind you, I have a lot of money tied up in my Zoo deck, but modern elves eats a lot of decks for breakfast. Then there's modern blue moon which punishes players that run 14-18 nonbasics. It's fun.
This deck though, has value to me. I'm getting it to add to my EDH decks, and to have a playset of chapels.
I'm just disappointed this was the best WotC could come up with for the new players.
I find that the event deck sucks if you have some modern cards. It's not worth the investment in my opinion. No Bitterblossom is weird and the lack of Fetches or Shocks is pathetic. For getting more Modern players and helping increase the pool of available modern cards; Wizards is pissing in the wind and its hitting us in the face. The should have posted at least 2 different Event decks to get more interest.
It may not help experienced modern players but it sure does help modern players. I'm fairly new (couple of months) and by buying this deck (which I will), I'll be getting a lot of modern staples that I can use in other decks. Saying this doesn't help modern is going a little bit far. The value is there, even if it's not particularly valuable to you. For new players who are trying to get into modern, this deck isnt half bad.
The more I read these forums, the more I come to realize that MTG players demand so much without thinking about other types of players. Eh either way, it's good for me if people don't buy it, the MSRP might go down instead of wildly inflating like the Mindseize EDH deck.
It has little to do with a lack of marsh flats etc. This is just a really shifty deck. Yhe mana base sucks. There's too many two and 1 ofs that dont help the deck at all. The modern staples that are in it are uncommon that are just reprinted in modern. Masters and arent even exactly valuable. Anybody who takes this deck to a modern fan will be disappointed. Its as simple as that.
Sure I would love to have seen marsh flats and friends. But if it was a bad deck I would be complaining still. This isnt fair to new players who want to get in to modern. Its misleading. You're better off playing a standard deck than this garbage
It may not help experienced modern players but it sure does help modern players. I'm fairly new (couple of months) and by buying this deck (which I will), I'll be getting a lot of modern staples that I can use in other decks. Saying this doesn't help modern is going a little bit far. The value is there, even if it's not particularly valuable to you. For new players who are trying to get into modern, this deck isnt half bad.
The more I read these forums, the more I come to realize that MTG players demand so much without thinking about other types of players. Eh either way, it's good for me if people don't buy it, the MSRP might go down instead of wildly inflating like the Mindseize EDH deck.
It has little to do with a lack of marsh flats etc. This is just a really shifty deck. Yhe mana base sucks. There's too many two and 1 ofs that dont help the deck at all. The modern staples that are in it are uncommon that are just reprinted in modern. Masters and arent even exactly valuable. Anybody who takes this deck to a modern fan will be disappointed. Its as simple as that.
Sure I would love to have seen marsh flats and friends. But if it was a bad deck I would be complaining still. This isnt fair to new players who want to get in to modern. Its misleading. You're better off playing a standard deck than this garbage
Well, Godless Shrine and Thoughtseize are in standard, so that's 8 cards down. Remember, WotC expects the new players to supplement this decks with their staples from standard, they want this product in indirectly support standard sales as well, since that's their main source of income, and it's a widely available option to the new and old player alike.
This deck is WotC's message to the new players: Buy this, add your stsndard staples in, and improve it over the next few years of standard. It's not like the current Modern players magically appeared playing Modern - they too spent years in standard to acquire what they have today.
People you have to see the context:
Before RTR shocklands where hight now they are low
Before M14 mutavault was hight and is still high but on rotation will go cheap
Before THS thoughtseize was high n now is affordable ...
Wizards printed modern masters and modern event deck bringing more goodies( cards that while are not expensive they see major or regular play in modern s lists)...
My speculation: huey or blood block has fetches.
Believe it or not, MM boosted the prices of several of the chase cards in it, not solving by any stretch the issue of entry cost. I doubt they'll bring back fetchlands at this point, but I can definitely see them printing some cards conducive to a powerful mono-colored strategy, like Merfolk or even god-forbid Affinity. And what I mean by this is that they'll promote a new archetype, not buff the existing ones. Anyways if you really want to play a competitive deck without fetchlands just play RG Tron. Even though Jund is less popular, that means decks playing Thoughtseize are too, which makes Tron waaaaaay better.
i've given it a bit of thought, and my conclusion is, screw it, new players can get a deck that I am sure will be fine to get into the format, which is the whole point, not meant for investors. it could use some cards, but a lot of it is stuff that Standard players looking at Modern (target customers) already have, and the Sword, which is not good in this deck, will be good bait to get the rest of what you need. nothing impressive for someone already in Modern, or trying to turn a profit, but completely acceptable for what is was trying to do. I like that the hoarders won't care about it. actually a decent first attempt at a Modern Event deck.
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Not excited at all. It probably makes it up for the value since a few of those uncommon are in the 5-10€ range but still it's not like there's something really insane in it. I'm not a Modern player, and I don't feel compelled to give it a try with that product.
This deck actually seems good. Sure, it's not some great tier 1 deck that you can go stomp tourneys with, but it seems like the perfect example of with the event deck was initially concepted as: A semi-competitive deck that you can reasonably go 3-2 at an FNM with. It has good anthems, good token generation, good removal, Elspeth, Sword of Feast and Famine, and a solid budget manabase. The core cards are all 4-ofs. For once, I don't hate this event deck.
This product is incredibly lackluster. Its price-tag is "fair", but I am surprised WotC missed the ball here. The Commander, DD, and premium decks of prior years rocked. DD: Jace v Vraska was actually a great product with strong inclusions (and remand on top of it). I didn't expect BB, but certainly expected better than Elspeth and SoF&F. It would have been great for Liliana 2.0 and Lingering Souls (which still fits the token theme).
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
People are bringing up the fact that "you can't bring this to a FNM and win", well looking at all the decks that WoTC have released, none have been "play read" without a little bit of tweaking.
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The more I read these forums, the more I come to realize that MTG players demand so much without thinking about other types of players. Eh either way, it's good for me if people don't buy it, the MSRP might go down instead of wildly inflating like the Mindseize EDH deck.
I don't know, I have mixed feelings about this. I'm glad it isn't something speculators aren't going to snatch up completely, but it's still lightly disappointing considering what could have been put into it.
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WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
WB Athreos, God of Passage
If you want to bash anything, bash the JOU Event Deck. That is truly awful.
While the TCP player prices where high and the SCG ones were ridiculous, "dirt-cheap steals from eBay" really isn't any better as the average sale price is 50% to 200% more than those prices.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
They only way WotC can hope to alleviate the situation is a mass reprint of all fetches in an entire block, and I feel they know this. That is how I look at the situation anyhow.
Nowhere near enough butthurt over this product
Am I really on MTGS?
Before RTR shocklands where hight now they are low
Before M14 mutavault was hight and is still high but on rotation will go cheap
Before THS thoughtseize was high n now is affordable ...
Wizards printed modern masters and modern event deck bringing more goodies( cards that while are not expensive they see major or regular play in modern s lists)...
My speculation: huey or blood block has fetches.
This Modern event deck is just fine for someone to enter with.
GURB Grixis/Jund Shadow
RBG Dredge
xUx U Ballista Tron
Commander
GUR Maelstrom Wanderer
BWU Sydri, Galvanic Genius
BGB Meren of Clan Nel Toth
WGW Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith
RRR Feldon of the Third Path
WWW Heliod, God of the Sun
And people have no patience, so WotC might deem "not so soon" as being "It's in Blood, but you guys can't wait till Fall 2015 - so it's far away!".
MaRo mentioned about just finishing Blood in Design and sending it over to Development. Considering Development is the one who usually decides the power-reprints (such as for Thoughtseize), pretty much now is the decision making for them to include Fetches or not.
They might not if Design told them something like "2016 is Return to Zendikar" though - they do have an outline for the next few sets afterwards (meaning around the 4-7 year mark.)
Definitely no Fetches in Huey, development was done with it before the major price spikes happened.
I even have a couple of legacy decks that does fairly well and they don't run fetches either.
Mind you, I have a lot of money tied up in my Zoo deck, but modern elves eats a lot of decks for breakfast. Then there's modern blue moon which punishes players that run 14-18 nonbasics. It's fun.
This deck though, has value to me. I'm getting it to add to my EDH decks, and to have a playset of chapels.
I'm just disappointed this was the best WotC could come up with for the new players.
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This is just lame.
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It has little to do with a lack of marsh flats etc. This is just a really shifty deck. Yhe mana base sucks. There's too many two and 1 ofs that dont help the deck at all. The modern staples that are in it are uncommon that are just reprinted in modern. Masters and arent even exactly valuable. Anybody who takes this deck to a modern fan will be disappointed. Its as simple as that.
Sure I would love to have seen marsh flats and friends. But if it was a bad deck I would be complaining still. This isnt fair to new players who want to get in to modern. Its misleading. You're better off playing a standard deck than this garbage
Well, Godless Shrine and Thoughtseize are in standard, so that's 8 cards down. Remember, WotC expects the new players to supplement this decks with their staples from standard, they want this product in indirectly support standard sales as well, since that's their main source of income, and it's a widely available option to the new and old player alike.
This deck is WotC's message to the new players: Buy this, add your stsndard staples in, and improve it over the next few years of standard. It's not like the current Modern players magically appeared playing Modern - they too spent years in standard to acquire what they have today.
Believe it or not, MM boosted the prices of several of the chase cards in it, not solving by any stretch the issue of entry cost. I doubt they'll bring back fetchlands at this point, but I can definitely see them printing some cards conducive to a powerful mono-colored strategy, like Merfolk or even god-forbid Affinity. And what I mean by this is that they'll promote a new archetype, not buff the existing ones. Anyways if you really want to play a competitive deck without fetchlands just play RG Tron. Even though Jund is less popular, that means decks playing Thoughtseize are too, which makes Tron waaaaaay better.
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