OMG! It's like Mana Leak guys!.....except that whole needing at least 3 U on the battlefield by turn two for it to function similarly on turn 2 (or even turn 3). Oh and this card has no value without non-land blue permanents on the battlefield....
NOT Mana Leak, Not Close. It might make the cut in mono-blue devotion, but trust me, mana leak would replace it immediately if printed.
As I mono-blue player, if I don't have 3 devotion MINIMUM on board by turn 4, then I've already lost...and there really is not any spell that I want to counter turns 1-3...the spells I really care about are hero's downfall sometimes, gray merchant, fanatic of mogis, elspeth, etc...
Do I think this card is anywhere close to mana leak in any format outside of standard? Of course not...
But in mono blue, this card is better than mana leak in pretty much every single matchup outside of esper control...
It could happen. No one thought that Lightning Bolt would come back and it did. Maybe Counterspell could come back someday.
This sounds like a plausible argument, but even if Wizards hadn't stated reasonably firmly they won't ever reprint Counterspell, it doesn't hold up when you consider the impilcations on a format.
It's the same reason Mana Leak is too good to print. It's almost always a Counterspell (and it's easier to cast), and because of its relative effectiveness for its cost, it pushes far too many cards/archetypes/options out of the format. Lightning Bolt does the same thing, but on a much smaller scale: it definitely lowers the power of creatures that have 3 toughness or less at any mana cost higher than 2 or 3 (at most 3). While that can be a solid number of caerds, it is a much, much smaller subset compared to the ones that Mana Leak invalidates. In order for a spell to be worth casting when you have an option like Mana Leak, it either needs to be dirt cheap already, dirt cheap and powerful (like Stoneforge Mystic), moderately costed and stupidly powerful (like jace, TMS) or expensive and stupidly powerful (like Primeval Titan and friends).
A card's power, its 'brokenness', can often be measure by the number of other cards it straight up invalidates or makes utterly undesirable to play/cast. Mana Leak (and cheap, broad countermagic in general) are 'broken' in the sense that they make far too many otherwise playable cards unplayable. It should not ever see reprint.
MaRo has pretty much said Counterspell is NEVER getting reprinted.
Actually, no. In fact, if anything, he seems to be warming to the idea:
In Dec 2012:
chantryg asked: If Lightning Bolt, once "too powerful to reprint" came back for a while, could we see a similar reversal with Stone Rain or Counterspell? Or are the latter two "unfun" enough that the chances are slim to none? (Storm Scale might be appropriate here).
I believe the return of Stone Rain or Counterspell are both possible given the correct environment but it’s also possible we never see them again.
In May 2013:
jokey665 asked: Lightning Bolt has had its day in the Standard sun. Will that day ever come for Counterspell?
This sounds like a plausible argument, but even if Wizards hadn't stated reasonably firmly they won't ever reprint Counterspell, it doesn't hold up when you consider the impilcations on a format.
It's the same reason Mana Leak is too good to print. It's almost always a Counterspell (and it's easier to cast), and because of its relative effectiveness for its cost, it pushes far too many cards/archetypes/options out of the format. Lightning Bolt does the same thing, but on a much smaller scale: it definitely lowers the power of creatures that have 3 toughness or less at any mana cost higher than 2 or 3 (at most 3). While that can be a solid number of caerds, it is a much, much smaller subset compared to the ones that Mana Leak invalidates. In order for a spell to be worth casting when you have an option like Mana Leak, it either needs to be dirt cheap already, dirt cheap and powerful (like Stoneforge Mystic), moderately costed and stupidly powerful (like jace, TMS) or expensive and stupidly powerful (like Primeval Titan and friends).
A card's power, its 'brokenness', can often be measure by the number of other cards it straight up invalidates or makes utterly undesirable to play/cast. Mana Leak (and cheap, broad countermagic in general) are 'broken' in the sense that they make far too many otherwise playable cards unplayable. It should not ever see reprint.
I can hope. Modern could really use Counterspell. All that they have to do is reprint it in a meta with underpowered control cards. Also, I thought that the reason why Mana Leak wasn't reprinted was because of Snapcaster Mage and Delver of Secrets.
This needs a permanent heavy deck to function right.
Could hold better late game potential than Mana Leak but only if you can protect your permanents... That doesn't make up for poor early game consistency however.
Still want to try and test it. Maybe in an Izzet build with Nivmagus Elemental.
Probably replance the dissolves in the side board.
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They are never doing that again unless it is situational (negate/remove soul)
Many thanks to DNC at Heroes of the Plane Studios
It could happen. No one thought that Lightning Bolt would come back and it did. Maybe Counterspell could come back someday.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
MaRo has pretty much said Counterspell is NEVER getting reprinted.
Many thanks to DNC at Heroes of the Plane Studios
Didn't they say that about Lightning Bolt too?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Testing edit.
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Interesting to see how Devotion is being used on this set's cards.
I can only hope...
As I mono-blue player, if I don't have 3 devotion MINIMUM on board by turn 4, then I've already lost...and there really is not any spell that I want to counter turns 1-3...the spells I really care about are hero's downfall sometimes, gray merchant, fanatic of mogis, elspeth, etc...
Do I think this card is anywhere close to mana leak in any format outside of standard? Of course not...
But in mono blue, this card is better than mana leak in pretty much every single matchup outside of esper control...
This sounds like a plausible argument, but even if Wizards hadn't stated reasonably firmly they won't ever reprint Counterspell, it doesn't hold up when you consider the impilcations on a format.
It's the same reason Mana Leak is too good to print. It's almost always a Counterspell (and it's easier to cast), and because of its relative effectiveness for its cost, it pushes far too many cards/archetypes/options out of the format. Lightning Bolt does the same thing, but on a much smaller scale: it definitely lowers the power of creatures that have 3 toughness or less at any mana cost higher than 2 or 3 (at most 3). While that can be a solid number of caerds, it is a much, much smaller subset compared to the ones that Mana Leak invalidates. In order for a spell to be worth casting when you have an option like Mana Leak, it either needs to be dirt cheap already, dirt cheap and powerful (like Stoneforge Mystic), moderately costed and stupidly powerful (like jace, TMS) or expensive and stupidly powerful (like Primeval Titan and friends).
A card's power, its 'brokenness', can often be measure by the number of other cards it straight up invalidates or makes utterly undesirable to play/cast. Mana Leak (and cheap, broad countermagic in general) are 'broken' in the sense that they make far too many otherwise playable cards unplayable. It should not ever see reprint.
Not in domain it isn't.
Actually, no. In fact, if anything, he seems to be warming to the idea:
In Dec 2012:
In May 2013:
I can hope. Modern could really use Counterspell. All that they have to do is reprint it in a meta with underpowered control cards. Also, I thought that the reason why Mana Leak wasn't reprinted was because of Snapcaster Mage and Delver of Secrets.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I wonder if there's a cycle of these cards. I'd love to see what others think the cycle would entail!
--Jed
L5R or MTG, if it's got Samurai, Knights or Soldiers, it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
Could hold better late game potential than Mana Leak but only if you can protect your permanents... That doesn't make up for poor early game consistency however.
Still want to try and test it. Maybe in an Izzet build with Nivmagus Elemental.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the sigpic.
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Never said that it was. I said that it is possible for it to be reprinted at a future point in time.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
You do know the best deck in standard right now runs basically only blue permanents...