Bad card is bad. It's even worse since its effect isn't conditional. If your opponent doesn't have anything in play that you can target, they will just not pay the tribute and you have to nuke your own permanent. It's a fringe case, but it could happen
Edit: this is for constructed. He's a solid limited card
Bad card is bad. It's even worse since its effect isn't conditional. If your opponent doesn't have anything in play that you can target, they will just not pay the tribute and you have to nuke your own permanent. It's a fringe case, but it could happen
I don't even care if you're trolling, but if your opponent has no lands in play you are going to win anyway.
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If your opponent doesn't have anything in play that you can target, they will just not pay the tribute and you have to nuke your own permanent. It's a fringe case, but it could happen
Dropping this after Elspeth is really awkward as opponent will just pay tribute and destroy it later, but with certain combo, it might sees play after all. I think playing cards with tribute mechanics need you to have the upper advantage, whether if tribute is paid or not.
While I agree with you, many minds were blown when Underworld Cerebrus was spoiled. Also, Deus of Calamity was a powerful card in the early days of Modern in All-In Red.
Still feeling like most of the tribute cards will not grant you what you want most of the time. Decent limited card, though.
by itself, tribute doesn't seem very good. but any tribute creature paired with a xenagos god of revels is pretty nasty though. ghor clan rampager and flesh//blood should be seeing more play in G/R monsters because of xenagos god. he reminds me a lot of Fires of Yavimaya.
Your opponent could have a Privileged Position and something to give it shroud/hexproof.
Also, Poe's law is just the best. Cz made a very obvious joke, but enough people thought he was serious that he seems to have decided to have a little more fun with them.
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A 6/6 without a drawback would be marginal in block at 4 mana. Add another mana, then give the opponent an option (that will seldom be used) to make it smaller and it's not ever seeing Constructed play.
Very nice in limited, however, where a 6/6 on turn 5 is a real threat.
6 power creature for 5 mana. Sylvan Primordial always does so much work in our games and he has 6 power too. I'd expect the cards to play similarly.
You sort of lost it at this... a 5 mana 6/6 vanilla creature will never be good in EDH. This is a 6/6 vanilla creature with no abilities. Primordial is similar except that it also has reach, blows a bunch of **** sky high, ramps you, and doesn't really even need to survive a turn before it's already worth more than what you paid for it.
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All of those 5 mana 6/6s have 'live' other text on them. Cerberus's text will be a negative in some gamestates but that will be pretty rare given that you built a deck it fits into.
You sort of lost it at this... This is a 6/6 vanilla creature with no abilities.
Oh, Tribute isn't an ability? So this guy will work in my Muraganda Petroglyphs deck? That's awesome! First Kalonian Tusker and now this, I wonder if the deck will be Modern playable afterwards? Leatherback Baloth, Sprout Swarm, this new guy... that seems so overpowered. Wizards is really pushing Green.
It's kind of blowing my mind how many people cannot realize that this poster was joking about this card being the next Sylvan Primordial. I can't even blame the poster for trolling in their reply after seeing how many people took their post as serious. Maybe I am just getting more used to reddit where every post must be taken with a grain of salt, but the sarcasm seemed rather obvious to me.
Anyway, bad card is bad. I could see playing it in limited if you are in green and short on playables, but this is way worse than Acidic Slime, which really isn't that great to begin with.
In EDH, for a 5 mana vanilla creature to be worth playing, it has to be on the same tier of power as Malignus and Lord of Extinction, and even then, a lot of decks don't want that sort of lack of utility.
You are grossly underestimating the card strength requirements to warrant inclusion in an EDH deck. Efficiency just doesn't cut it when you have multiple opponents playing legitimate threats and bombs turn after turn; your 6/6 will drown in the sea that is eternal-level power.
EDIT: I avoided calling the guy a troll because I remember seeing that count as flaming once, but I'll leave this post here anyway.
Oh, Tribute isn't an ability? So this guy will work in my Muraganda Petroglyphs deck? That's awesome! First Kalonian Tusker and now this, I wonder if the deck will be Modern playable afterwards? Leatherback Baloth, Sprout Swarm, this new guy... that seems so overpowered.
Once he ETBs he is just a lowly 6/6 that doesn't do anything. I love the snark, but your belief that this is even in the same ballpark as Primordial in multiplayer MTG isn't any more true. This is a bad card and if you have an opening at 5 mana there are a ton of better creatures that actually do stuff.
Vanilla 6/6 for 5 is bad, so there really isn't a reason not to Tribute, but hey, even if it is threatening, you always have the option to make it a 3/3 for 5.
So, are they ever going to make a tribute card where it isn't blatantly obvious what the "correct" choice is?
Every tribute card so far has their effects made so that there's no reason at all to ever choose one of the effects over the other. Why even bother giving your opponents a choice when it's laid out right for them?
Once he ETBs he is just a lowly 6/6 that doesn't do anything. I love the snark, but your belief that this is even in the same ballpark as Primordial in multiplayer MTG isn't any more true. This is a bad card and if you have an opening at 5 mana there are a ton of better creatures that actually do stuff.
It wasn't snark, I just thought that Tribute would stop being an ability once the creature hit play :(. Magic is a very confusing game and I don't understand all of its rules :S. I really do have a Muraganda Petroglyphs deck >_<.
Maybe the card won't be as good as Sylvan Primordial but he reminds me a lot of him and so I think that there's a strong possibility that he could see play :).
This thread serves as a fascinating example of how hard sarcasm can be to detect on the internet, how willing people are to assume that someone else is a total moron, and how few people bother to test hypotheses about which they are/should be uncertain.
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Yeah the thing about arbor colossus comparisons- remember, this is not as good as a vanilla 6/6 for 5. Its worse, significantly worse. It has two very disparate modes, and no way to influence or trick your opponent in their choice, and the two options are pretty closely matched in power. So this is *much* worse than a vanilla 6/6 for 5. And the arbor battlecruiser makes it look like a joke with its upsides
Beyond simply being filler rare, I think this is more evidence that development simply doesn't understand how punisher cards are supposed to be costed. That, or its an intentional jank ala archangel's light due to a last minute removal- which is not an excuse, but an even worse failure. Cue the entire rakdos guild in RtR (good lord)
So, are they ever going to make a tribute card where it isn't blatantly obvious what the "correct" choice is?
Every tribute card so far has their effects made so that there's no reason at all to ever choose one of the effects over the other. Why even bother giving your opponents a choice when it's laid out right for them?
I was saying in custom card creation that it would be very interesting to see a tribute card where both sides could have an interesting upside/downside in any game situation and it wouldn't be so clear cut. Something where the +1/+1 counters interacted mechanically with the card to have an effect other than just giving you a big dumb vanilla beater. Right now the only choice you get is "vanilla beater or bad stuff". Which is mechanically very uninteresting and poorly designed.
I acknowledge that when you have a new mechanic, you should cover some ground in basic applications of it before delving into its more interesting interactions, but erm, shouldn't that be done on commons and uncommons and rares cover the neat stuff? This set is poorly designed and poorly balanced, as dragons mazeall of RtR was.
This feels like one of the much weaker Tribute cards in limited. Bramblecrush is either a card that you really want or one which can be extremely underwhelming. Still playable, I imagine, but definitely nothing exciting.
Funny political card in EDH, though. Hey black deck, having enchantment problems? Still not great.
In any constructed format, a single vanilla 6/6 for five is too easy to neutralize to have any relevance. Especially when that 6/6 can just be a 3/3 that blows up a land when your opponent has extra to spare.
In limited, this is okay but not stellar. I'd rather play Pharagax Giant given a choice between the two, but I wouldn't be totally embarrassed to run this.
Arbor Colossus is a BAMF
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I don't even care if you're trolling, but if your opponent has no lands in play you are going to win anyway.
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No. It can destroy lands too.
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While I agree with you, many minds were blown when Underworld Cerebrus was spoiled. Also, Deus of Calamity was a powerful card in the early days of Modern in All-In Red.
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by itself, tribute doesn't seem very good. but any tribute creature paired with a xenagos god of revels is pretty nasty though. ghor clan rampager and flesh//blood should be seeing more play in G/R monsters because of xenagos god. he reminds me a lot of Fires of Yavimaya.
Also, Poe's law is just the best. Cz made a very obvious joke, but enough people thought he was serious that he seems to have decided to have a little more fun with them.
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Very nice in limited, however, where a 6/6 on turn 5 is a real threat.
You sort of lost it at this... a 5 mana 6/6 vanilla creature will never be good in EDH. This is a 6/6 vanilla creature with no abilities. Primordial is similar except that it also has reach, blows a bunch of **** sky high, ramps you, and doesn't really even need to survive a turn before it's already worth more than what you paid for it.
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This card = My 4 year old with a whiffle ball bat.
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All of those 5 mana 6/6s have 'live' other text on them. Cerberus's text will be a negative in some gamestates but that will be pretty rare given that you built a deck it fits into.
Oh, Tribute isn't an ability? So this guy will work in my Muraganda Petroglyphs deck? That's awesome! First Kalonian Tusker and now this, I wonder if the deck will be Modern playable afterwards? Leatherback Baloth, Sprout Swarm, this new guy... that seems so overpowered. Wizards is really pushing Green.
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Anyway, bad card is bad. I could see playing it in limited if you are in green and short on playables, but this is way worse than Acidic Slime, which really isn't that great to begin with.
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In EDH, for a 5 mana vanilla creature to be worth playing, it has to be on the same tier of power as Malignus and Lord of Extinction, and even then, a lot of decks don't want that sort of lack of utility.
You are grossly underestimating the card strength requirements to warrant inclusion in an EDH deck. Efficiency just doesn't cut it when you have multiple opponents playing legitimate threats and bombs turn after turn; your 6/6 will drown in the sea that is eternal-level power.
EDIT: I avoided calling the guy a troll because I remember seeing that count as flaming once, but I'll leave this post here anyway.
Once he ETBs he is just a lowly 6/6 that doesn't do anything. I love the snark, but your belief that this is even in the same ballpark as Primordial in multiplayer MTG isn't any more true. This is a bad card and if you have an opening at 5 mana there are a ton of better creatures that actually do stuff.
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It's garbage.
Every tribute card so far has their effects made so that there's no reason at all to ever choose one of the effects over the other. Why even bother giving your opponents a choice when it's laid out right for them?
It wasn't snark, I just thought that Tribute would stop being an ability once the creature hit play :(. Magic is a very confusing game and I don't understand all of its rules :S. I really do have a Muraganda Petroglyphs deck >_<.
Maybe the card won't be as good as Sylvan Primordial but he reminds me a lot of him and so I think that there's a strong possibility that he could see play :).
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Beyond simply being filler rare, I think this is more evidence that development simply doesn't understand how punisher cards are supposed to be costed. That, or its an intentional jank ala archangel's light due to a last minute removal- which is not an excuse, but an even worse failure. Cue the entire rakdos guild in RtR (good lord)
I was saying in custom card creation that it would be very interesting to see a tribute card where both sides could have an interesting upside/downside in any game situation and it wouldn't be so clear cut. Something where the +1/+1 counters interacted mechanically with the card to have an effect other than just giving you a big dumb vanilla beater. Right now the only choice you get is "vanilla beater or bad stuff". Which is mechanically very uninteresting and poorly designed.
I acknowledge that when you have a new mechanic, you should cover some ground in basic applications of it before delving into its more interesting interactions, but erm, shouldn't that be done on commons and uncommons and rares cover the neat stuff? This set is poorly designed and poorly balanced, as
dragons mazeall of RtR was.Funny political card in EDH, though. Hey black deck, having enchantment problems? Still not great.
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In limited, this is okay but not stellar. I'd rather play Pharagax Giant given a choice between the two, but I wouldn't be totally embarrassed to run this.
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