For those who think that BB is Modern playable, may I remind you that Victim of Night sees zero Modern play and is better than BB in most cases. The only things that BB hits better are Lingering Souls tokens, resolved Empty the Warrens in Storm, Young Pyromancer elementals in Delver, and most of BW Tokens as a deck. It's also relevant against Merfolk and its redundant lords.
Seems promising... but then there's the list of stuff that BB misses and VoN hits, despite VoN seeing no play. This includes the average 3/4 or 4/5 Goyf, Wurmcoil, Exarch, Restoration Angel, Hellkite, and Spellskite.
(Also, Twin doesn't count as a reason to use BB; if the Twin player can't answer a BB on their token army, they also can't answer a VoN in response to the Twin being cast in the first place.)
EDIT: And let's not forget the other black removal spell it competes with: Dismember.
Don't forget that BB hits Soul Sisters. It also hits Elves.
They just keep throwing these boss uncommons at us. I can't believe it. They are making the mythics and rares look like utter crap. Gogo uncommons! You will make the set live in in our hearts forever.
This, 100%. I have this weird suspicion we're going to get like one completely busted mythic instead of 3-5 good ones. I'm not entirely disappointed, the uncommons are getting better and better.
This, 100%. I have this weird suspicion we're going to get like one completely busted mythic instead of 3-5 good ones. I'm not entirely disappointed, the uncommons are getting better and better.
Xengaos and Mogis are both pretty friggin awesome.
I think Xenagos is basically broken.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
Actually, she ramps. That is the problem. If she drew a card each time, she would be better.
Valanarch, you don't really understand card advantage, and you also just said that deck thinning is a "miniscule effect that doesn't matter much."
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why Karametra's effect = card drawing, because you refuse to become un-bad at Magic.
All I can advise you is to just... like... admit to yourself that you don't know anything about more subtle Magic topics. And then go and change that by reading a ton of Magic theory.
Alright after thinking about it Karametra is less ass than I thought. Armada Wurm is part of this, but also in a big G/W shell with 8+ Mana dorks you'll be playing Karametra with only 3-4 lands, making the ramp much more relevant. From there you just big spells and win games. If Mono Black really does dominate G/W has Selesyna Charm for Demon and cards like Armada Wurm and Voice provide built-in 2-for-1s.
G/W will probably require either a splash color or a really strong sideboard full of hate for Monoblue though. Junk could be the way to go.
I mean... there is no feasible deck where you won't likely get her out on turn 4 (turn 3 a possibility, but can't be counted on), in which case ramp and deck thinning is still relevant. Btw... this ramping up to Tromokratis while using Simic Charms will make for as nice of a finisher as Aetherling. I'm surprised people don't see that.
Wowzers, Unravel the Æther. Well, we all know Deglamer, but now there is another means for removing these damn gods.
Karametra seems decent. I can see its utility in thinning your deck, theoretically improving card quality, and it feed back into itself when you draw more creatures. It is great that it does not exclude non-basic Forests/Plains from being plopped into play.
Valanarch, you don't really understand card advantage, and you also just said that deck thinning is a "miniscule effect that doesn't matter much."
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why Karametra's effect = card drawing, because you refuse to become un-bad at Magic.
All I can advise you is to just... like... admit to yourself that you don't know anything about more subtle Magic topics. And then go and change that by reading a ton of Magic theory.
Conditional ramp after you already have access to 5 mana does not equal card drawing. Also, Imagine that there are 40 cards in your deck when Karametra's ability triggers. Before that you have a 4/40 chance to draw a 4 of that you haven't drawn any copies of. After you remove one card from that, you have a 4/39. It adds up, but it is a small effect.
Don't forget that BB hits Soul Sisters. It also hits Elves.
The problem is that Soul Sisters is barely tier 2. Elves is maybe tier 3 at best. And even within Sisters, the only thing that BB hits better than other removal are are Hawks and Spirits (and it's actually probably missing Pridemate).
I understand that we all want to see Modern playable cards, especially exciting new removal, but we shouldn't be stretching and overreaching. Seriously, why would you play non-burn removal in Modern that doesn't even hit Goyf? Or Wurmcoil? Or Affinity if Arcbound is on the table? Or Exarch? I mean, the card is supposed to be good against Twin, but it doesn't even kill Exarch with or without tokens.
Valanarch, you don't really understand card advantage, and you also just said that deck thinning is a "miniscule effect that doesn't matter much."
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why Karametra's effect = card drawing, because you refuse to become un-bad at Magic.
All I can advise you is to just... like... admit to yourself that you don't know anything about more subtle Magic topics. And then go and change that by reading a ton of Magic theory.
Deck thinning is marginally useful if you do it A TON. This is a 5 drop, yo. thinning after you drop this is pretty damn marginal. This would be solid as a 4 drop. I think Ephara is better. She actually draws cards, or did you forget?
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Kara is pretty bat****, wow... especially since she can also fetch the Ravnica Duals....
Even if you don't need the extra mana when it comes out, you can still use it to filter lands out of the deck - every creature you play afterwards is a cantrip, and it's freaking indestructible. Value God is value (why is the UW god so bad compared to this and BR?!)
Trying to think of any standard-legal critters that can be paired with this to break it.
LOVE the token hate too, damn. Not quite as strong as Innistrad's but cheaper too so it's nice.
Magic is a game of small edges. If there is only one piece of Magic advice you remember, then that should be it.
I apologize, though. I realize that I am probably talking waaaay over your level here; I don't mean to. It's hard to remember that MTGS is mainly made up of non-competitive players, you know?
Magic is a game of small edges. If there is only one piece of Magic advice you remember, then that should be it.
I apologize, though. I realize that I am probably talking waaaay over your level here; I don't mean to. It's hard to remember that MTGS is mainly made up of non-competitive players, you know?
Small edges starting on turn 5-6? I'm a Modern player. The edges aren't adding up fast enough at that point.
Magic is a game of small edges. If there is only one piece of Magic advice you remember, then that should be it.
I apologize, though. I realize that I am probably talking waaaay over your level here; I don't mean to. It's hard to remember that MTGS is mainly made up of non-competitive players, you know?
But it isn't anymore.
It can be, but giving up your 5 drop to start gaining small edges isn't worth it when the power level of 5 drops is high.
Basically, if you play this, and your opponent plays Stormbreath Dragon, you might get the advantage in 4 turns, but you are dead in 2.
Don't forget that BB hits Soul Sisters. It also hits Elves.
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Hitting more land drops after turn 4/5 ain't drawing cards. What the hell even is this comment. Did you love into the wilds too?
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This, 100%. I have this weird suspicion we're going to get like one completely busted mythic instead of 3-5 good ones. I'm not entirely disappointed, the uncommons are getting better and better.
And BB can't answer Ajani's Pridemate effectively, while Victim of Night can. And Elves sees little-to-no Modern play.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
4 manas that do nothing?
Xengaos and Mogis are both pretty friggin awesome.
I think Xenagos is basically broken.
4 mana 6/5 Indestructible.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Valanarch, you don't really understand card advantage, and you also just said that deck thinning is a "miniscule effect that doesn't matter much."
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why Karametra's effect = card drawing, because you refuse to become un-bad at Magic.
All I can advise you is to just... like... admit to yourself that you don't know anything about more subtle Magic topics. And then go and change that by reading a ton of Magic theory.
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I mean... there is no feasible deck where you won't likely get her out on turn 4 (turn 3 a possibility, but can't be counted on), in which case ramp and deck thinning is still relevant. Btw... this ramping up to Tromokratis while using Simic Charms will make for as nice of a finisher as Aetherling. I'm surprised people don't see that.
Karametra seems decent. I can see its utility in thinning your deck, theoretically improving card quality, and it feed back into itself when you draw more creatures. It is great that it does not exclude non-basic Forests/Plains from being plopped into play.
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However, she will become a staple once landfall is revealed in M15 or fall set along with the fetches.
Conditional ramp after you already have access to 5 mana does not equal card drawing. Also, Imagine that there are 40 cards in your deck when Karametra's ability triggers. Before that you have a 4/40 chance to draw a 4 of that you haven't drawn any copies of. After you remove one card from that, you have a 4/39. It adds up, but it is a small effect.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
The problem is that Soul Sisters is barely tier 2. Elves is maybe tier 3 at best. And even within Sisters, the only thing that BB hits better than other removal are are Hawks and Spirits (and it's actually probably missing Pridemate).
I understand that we all want to see Modern playable cards, especially exciting new removal, but we shouldn't be stretching and overreaching. Seriously, why would you play non-burn removal in Modern that doesn't even hit Goyf? Or Wurmcoil? Or Affinity if Arcbound is on the table? Or Exarch? I mean, the card is supposed to be good against Twin, but it doesn't even kill Exarch with or without tokens.
Yeah with 3 detention sphere?
Deck thinning is marginally useful if you do it A TON. This is a 5 drop, yo. thinning after you drop this is pretty damn marginal. This would be solid as a 4 drop. I think Ephara is better. She actually draws cards, or did you forget?
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Maybe. I don't think that Ephara is good. But she is better than Karametra.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Pseudo landfall exists with Primeval Bounty, which may be playable now with available ramp.
Even if you don't need the extra mana when it comes out, you can still use it to filter lands out of the deck - every creature you play afterwards is a cantrip, and it's freaking indestructible. Value God is value (why is the UW god so bad compared to this and BR?!)
Trying to think of any standard-legal critters that can be paired with this to break it.
LOVE the token hate too, damn. Not quite as strong as Innistrad's but cheaper too so it's nice.
Magic is a game of small edges. If there is only one piece of Magic advice you remember, then that should be it.
I apologize, though. I realize that I am probably talking waaaay over your level here; I don't mean to. It's hard to remember that MTGS is mainly made up of non-competitive players, you know?
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Small edges starting on turn 5-6? I'm a Modern player. The edges aren't adding up fast enough at that point.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
like you like to say : lets wait and see witch one sees more play
Karametra or Ephara ,
But it isn't anymore.
It can be, but giving up your 5 drop to start gaining small edges isn't worth it when the power level of 5 drops is high.
Basically, if you play this, and your opponent plays Stormbreath Dragon, you might get the advantage in 4 turns, but you are dead in 2.
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