I want to see a Die Hard-style buddy cop movie staring Sarkhan Vol and Tezzeret as they go through a new plane to retrieve a powerful artifact for Nicol Bolas. Along the way, Sarkhan and Tezzeret will not get along due to their color differences, but come to understand each other as their lives become endangered time and time again throughout the movie. Eventually, they form a friendship and successfully planeswalk out of an exploding temple just in time.
They could make an amazing movie out of the Invasion block- or even the whole of the Weatherlight Sage - the needed history for it could easily be done in flashback type scenes. That is an epic adventure with tuns to draw from and relate-able characters with lots of development (and how epic would the walkers raiding Phyrexia be?). It would be like LOTR on Sci-fi steroids- with dragons, and robo-zombies, and mech-suits, and tree-folk, and vampires, and flying boats, etc.
Too bad its probably going to be based around the neo-walkers- who seem like they would just be cheesy on the big-screen.
A movie is not cheap to make and if it bombs it can carry serious monetary back-lash.
Also I see these attempts as harmful to the actual core card game itself. When you start selling too many items with just the image of your core product in the hopes of draining funds from that product's fans, then the fans run out of money to support the core product. Ultimately hurting the core products sales and decreasing that core product's value in the eyes of its fans thereby decreasing its image overall.
Wizards is not making the film. They sold the film rights to Fox. Fox will produce and pay for the film. If there any profits or losses, the studio will reap or bear them. As for your second point, the film will put the game in front of new people and new markets, they don't want to cannibalize their existing market, they want new money.
The whole story of Magic involves planeswalking and multiple planes. Why is everyone so set on having a Magic movie on just one plane?
It'd be hard to make a good movie that was:
an introductory movie that had to set up EVERYTHING
geared toward a general, and thus more casual audience
set (in a signficant way) in more than one world/plane
The movie can't be too long/involved. If they tried to jump around, they wouldn't be able to get any depth out of the places they visited, and (probably) the story would be too shallow or (possibly) to complex to be popular.
Stated differently, in example form: Sure, we can visit the entire multiverse, but you can only see each plane for 5 minutes, and the reason we have the need to jump between each place will seem less and less interesting and/or clear each time.
Oh boy. Nothing like a bunch of CEOs trying to cash in on their franchise.
This has every chance at being absolutely terrible and embarrassing.
Whenever you let execs make decisions for a film, nothing but disaster ensues.
Magic's storyline is kind of cheesy to start with...so they would have to take some liberties and step outside some of the realm to not make it terrible.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
People said the same thing about the Harry Potter franchise, and the Avenger's Franchise, and the Spiderman reboot, and the X-men Franchise... Yeah.
I for one, have faith, particularly considering that the worst movie that the producer was involved in (X3: The Last Stand) was a huge success even after it was butchered by the replacement director, the unreasonable demands by some of its stars (*cough*Halle Berry*Cough*), and a quick rewrite because another star quit halfway through to be in a bad Superman movie (*cough*James Marsden*cough*). And considering the success of Hasbro's other large movie franchise (Transformers), I wouldn't worry. It may not be perfect, but it will be relatable to the average fantasy fan, and there are a lot. Fantasy is Mainstream now due to the success of the Harry Potter and LotR franchises.
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People said the same thing about the Harry Potter franchise, and the Avenger's Franchise, and the Spiderman reboot, and the X-men Franchise... Yeah.
I for one, have faith, particularly considering that the worst movie that the producer was involved in (X3: The Last Stand) was a huge success even after it was butchered by the replacement director, the unreasonable demands by some of its stars (*cough*Halle Berry*Cough*), and a quick rewrite because another star quit halfway through to be in a bad Superman movie (*cough*James Marsden*cough*). And considering the success of Hasbro's other large movie franchise (Transformers), I wouldn't worry. It may not be perfect, but it will be relatable to the average fantasy fan, and there are a lot. Fantasy is Mainstream now due to the success of the Harry Potter and LotR franchises.
You realize that WB wanted to cast an American in the role of Harry Potter, right? If it hadn't been for JK Rowling being involved throughout the entire process (ie not WB exec), it probably would have been a disaster.
The X-men...oh boy...the first two were brilliant. The third one, was the worst piece of turd ever. Do you know why? Because there was heavy interference from the execs (and the main writer went off to do super man returns, but wtv). The Spider man reboot was a huge turd, wtf are you talking about LOL!
Ideally, it starts off with a voice over of Chandra....
"We were happy once. Life on Dominaria was easy...the people were happy...then....they came."
I can just picture it, a ripple in the time space continuum, the mass invasion of the Phyrexian, massive slaughter, every thing is burned to a crisp...
"They called themselves The Phyrexians. All they wanted was for us to be like them...to become them. We couldn't fight them off, there were too strong. Gideon and Ral Zarek were lost in the fight, no one has seen them since. Karn succumbed. All hope was almost lost. Almost. Myself, Jace and Ajani managed to make it off the plane via a portal that Urza came across. This is our story...."
Ya I'm mixing up all kinds of crap in there, but really, I think taking magic's best elements (the Phyrexian invasion and Urza) and putting it together could do some ****ing awesome movie.
Just gotta get a really creative writer and some freedom and something could be made of this.
The Spider man reboot was a huge turd, wtf are you talking about LOL!
Yeah, that's why many people enjoyed it and it got great reviews from critics, because it was a huge turd? I LOVE when people state opinions like it's fact.
Going along with what a lot of people are saying/doing, I think it'd be neat if they did a sort of 'start to finish' of Elspeth's life and covered New Phyrexia.
It would have a pretty solid cinematic feel, I think.
Start off with her being tortured, and her getting her spark. Then, they could flash-forward and/or gloss over Alara. And then follow her through the set-up and follow-through of Mirrodin's ultimate fall.
Following her right after Alara in her timeline wouldn't seem so strange or wrong to either experienced or inexperienced viewer because her whining of past events would seem like her describing the events seen in the movie (the torture) to the uneducated viewer, but would still be 'correct' in the eyes of the experienced viewer.
Plus, both parties would be happy because several 'guest appearances' happen in that story arc. Including Venser. There'd be a good opportunity there for exposition describing what a planeswalker really is as well.
Then, if they revisit Phyrexians and/or Elspeth in the future, they could make the sequel movie about those events.
Basically, in the movie:
1) Elspeth is tortured by phyrexians and obtains spark
2) She provides narration or something about her life up to this point
3) She finds Koth and the New Phyrexia story unfolds
4) She runs away like Elspeth does at the end, thus leading to an obvious sequel.
Yeah, that's why many people enjoyed it and it got great reviews from critics, because it was a huge turd? I LOVE when people state opinions like it's fact.
Lots of people enjoy eating poo.
Just because IMDB (seemingly your reference) says it has a "good" rating doesn't mean jack about it being a good movie. It was not. So much of it was....anyways.
People like terrible things. That's just what it is. Iron Man 3 was by far and away the worst of all three of them (and boy was it bad) but people still like it.
So I guess we're justified with liking crap then, everyone likes it!
It's exactly that kind of acceptance that gets us crappy movies as opposed to the good stuff. People have come to accept mediocrity.
Take for example Inception. By no means a particularly good movie but better than most. People raved about it like it was the most amazing thing they've ever seen. That can only happen because they are so used to seeing nothing but crap.
Just because IMDB (seemingly your reference) says it has a "good" rating doesn't mean jack about it being a good movie. It was not. So much of it was....anyways.
People like terrible things. That's just what it is. Iron Man 3 was by far and away the worst of all three of them (and boy was it bad) but people still like it.
So I guess we're justified with liking crap then, everyone likes it!
It's exactly that kind of acceptance that gets us crappy movies as opposed to the good stuff. People have come to accept mediocrity.
Take for example Inception. By no means a particularly good movie but better than most. People raved about it like it was the most amazing thing they've ever seen. That can only happen because they are so used to seeing nothing but crap.
Again, you go on spouting crap like it's fact. Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't make it a bad movie. IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic all have good scores for it, but no those don't make any difference at all because YOU didn't like it. You can't be so ignorant about the quality of a movie because YOU didn't enjoy it. Christ.
Again, you go on spouting crap like it's fact. Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't make it a bad movie. IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic all have good scores for it, but no those don't make any difference at all because YOU didn't like it. You can't be so ignorant about the quality of a movie because YOU didn't enjoy it. Christ.
Naw man you're missing the point. Just because you LIKE a movie does NOT make it a good one.
A lot of people enjoy bad movies, that'll make them rate it higher. That's just how things are.
It's like bad music. Lots of people love bad music, doesn't mean it's good.
Naw man you're missing the point. Just because you LIKE a movie does NOT make it a good one.
A lot of people enjoy bad movies, that'll make them rate it higher. That's just how things are.
It's like bad music. Lots of people love bad music, doesn't mean it's good.
When did I ever say I enjoyed the movie? All I've been saying was how good ratings from many sources makes a movie good. If a movie theoretically got 100% ratings across the board, but YOU didn't enjoy it, does that make it a bad movie? Of course not.
The whole story of Magic involves planeswalking and multiple planes. Why is everyone so set on having a Magic movie on just one plane?
I agree that they would be remiss to not involve multiple planes eventually. But if they are looking to make this into a series with lasting popular appeal, they really need to take it slow. You can't just start off slinging spells and hopping planes, or you'll lose any newcomers fairly quick. Think about some of the fantasy movie series that have become popular recently. Harry Potter starts out with just a relatable adolescent boy in the real world, who then discovers this alternate world of magic. Or Lord of the Rings, which starts out in an idyllic countryside with a birthday party before introducing any trolls or goblins or spells.
I think they would be best served around having the first film center around a single, relatable planeswalker (Chandra maybe) on their home plane before their spark is awoken. Give people time to get attached to the character and their situation, and then maybe towards the middle or end have whatever traumatic event that awakens their spark. After that the character can find out about other planes and other planeswalkers and whatnot. Maybe the second movie takes place on a second single plane, to let people get used to the multi-plane concept, and only after that have a movie which involves a multiple-plane plotline.
I think they would be best served around having the first film center around a single, relatable planeswalker (Chandra maybe) on their home plane before their spark is awoken. Give people time to get attached to the character and their situation, and then maybe towards the middle or end have whatever traumatic event that awakens their spark. After that the character can find out about other planes and other planeswalkers and whatnot. Maybe the second movie takes place on a second single plane, to let people get used to the multi-plane concept, and only after that have a movie which involves a multiple-plane plotline.
Agreed 100%. I think they could potentially achieve something similar, though perhaps more grim, with Elspeth, though.
All I've been saying was how good ratings from many sources makes a movie good. If a movie theoretically got 100% ratings across the board, but YOU didn't enjoy it, does that make it a bad movie? Of course not.
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life...good ratings are what makes movies good?! whaaaa? So if someone hacked imdb, rottentomatoes, boxofficemojo, etc and changed the rating for something like 'gigli' (or whatever that terrible movie was called) or 'from justin to kelly' to a 9.8 across the board and you came across those ratings, then you would automatically start thinking that they were good movies or want to see them?
Look at all those terrible artsy movies with no plot that are essentially slice of life dramas following around mundane characters doing mundane things but for some reason the sundance circuit LOVES them and they get 8+ ratings or 4 1/2 stars. I don't care WHAT the ratings are for that trash, I'll never consider them good movies.
IMO, what makes a good movie are: writing, direction, cinematography, acting, and score. I couldn't care less what other people think about it, as long as I enjoyed it, and if I DIDN'T enjoy it, then yes, to me as an individual that makes it a bad movie.
On topic, like I said in the other thread (why 2 threads btw?) I'm hoping for either the Whispering Woods trilogy from the 90s, the Weatherlight Saga, or the Odyssey/Onslaught trilogies but unfortunately WotC loves their Jace and I'd be totally surprised if they didn't go that route.
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"Planeswalking to a movie theater near you."
Too bad its probably going to be based around the neo-walkers- who seem like they would just be cheesy on the big-screen.
Wizards is not making the film. They sold the film rights to Fox. Fox will produce and pay for the film. If there any profits or losses, the studio will reap or bear them. As for your second point, the film will put the game in front of new people and new markets, they don't want to cannibalize their existing market, they want new money.
It'd be hard to make a good movie that was:
The movie can't be too long/involved. If they tried to jump around, they wouldn't be able to get any depth out of the places they visited, and (probably) the story would be too shallow or (possibly) to complex to be popular.
Stated differently, in example form: Sure, we can visit the entire multiverse, but you can only see each plane for 5 minutes, and the reason we have the need to jump between each place will seem less and less interesting and/or clear each time.
People said the same thing about the Harry Potter franchise, and the Avenger's Franchise, and the Spiderman reboot, and the X-men Franchise... Yeah.
I for one, have faith, particularly considering that the worst movie that the producer was involved in (X3: The Last Stand) was a huge success even after it was butchered by the replacement director, the unreasonable demands by some of its stars (*cough*Halle Berry*Cough*), and a quick rewrite because another star quit halfway through to be in a bad Superman movie (*cough*James Marsden*cough*). And considering the success of Hasbro's other large movie franchise (Transformers), I wouldn't worry. It may not be perfect, but it will be relatable to the average fantasy fan, and there are a lot. Fantasy is Mainstream now due to the success of the Harry Potter and LotR franchises.
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You realize that WB wanted to cast an American in the role of Harry Potter, right? If it hadn't been for JK Rowling being involved throughout the entire process (ie not WB exec), it probably would have been a disaster.
The X-men...oh boy...the first two were brilliant. The third one, was the worst piece of turd ever. Do you know why? Because there was heavy interference from the execs (and the main writer went off to do super man returns, but wtv). The Spider man reboot was a huge turd, wtf are you talking about LOL!
Ideally, it starts off with a voice over of Chandra....
"We were happy once. Life on Dominaria was easy...the people were happy...then....they came."
I can just picture it, a ripple in the time space continuum, the mass invasion of the Phyrexian, massive slaughter, every thing is burned to a crisp...
"They called themselves The Phyrexians. All they wanted was for us to be like them...to become them. We couldn't fight them off, there were too strong. Gideon and Ral Zarek were lost in the fight, no one has seen them since. Karn succumbed. All hope was almost lost. Almost. Myself, Jace and Ajani managed to make it off the plane via a portal that Urza came across. This is our story...."
Ya I'm mixing up all kinds of crap in there, but really, I think taking magic's best elements (the Phyrexian invasion and Urza) and putting it together could do some ****ing awesome movie.
Just gotta get a really creative writer and some freedom and something could be made of this.
I like Turtles
I'm still waiting for the Ravnica cop show.
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But seriously, outside of gratuitous fan-servicing, I think this going to be about as good as the D&D movies...
What is this? Donnie Darko 2.0?
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Yeah, that's why many people enjoyed it and it got great reviews from critics, because it was a huge turd? I LOVE when people state opinions like it's fact.
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It would have a pretty solid cinematic feel, I think.
Start off with her being tortured, and her getting her spark. Then, they could flash-forward and/or gloss over Alara. And then follow her through the set-up and follow-through of Mirrodin's ultimate fall.
Following her right after Alara in her timeline wouldn't seem so strange or wrong to either experienced or inexperienced viewer because her whining of past events would seem like her describing the events seen in the movie (the torture) to the uneducated viewer, but would still be 'correct' in the eyes of the experienced viewer.
Plus, both parties would be happy because several 'guest appearances' happen in that story arc. Including Venser. There'd be a good opportunity there for exposition describing what a planeswalker really is as well.
Then, if they revisit Phyrexians and/or Elspeth in the future, they could make the sequel movie about those events.
Basically, in the movie:
1) Elspeth is tortured by phyrexians and obtains spark
2) She provides narration or something about her life up to this point
3) She finds Koth and the New Phyrexia story unfolds
4) She runs away like Elspeth does at the end, thus leading to an obvious sequel.
Lots of people enjoy eating poo.
Just because IMDB (seemingly your reference) says it has a "good" rating doesn't mean jack about it being a good movie. It was not. So much of it was....anyways.
People like terrible things. That's just what it is. Iron Man 3 was by far and away the worst of all three of them (and boy was it bad) but people still like it.
So I guess we're justified with liking crap then, everyone likes it!
It's exactly that kind of acceptance that gets us crappy movies as opposed to the good stuff. People have come to accept mediocrity.
Take for example Inception. By no means a particularly good movie but better than most. People raved about it like it was the most amazing thing they've ever seen. That can only happen because they are so used to seeing nothing but crap.
Just for ****s and giggles, just check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfMivMDOBI&list=SP86F4D497FD3CACCE&index=32
And after seeing Spidey reboot i saw this and...bang on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KSPiTOMR8&list=SP86F4D497FD3CACCE&index=37
Just a bit of perspective (with humor).
I like Turtles
Again, you go on spouting crap like it's fact. Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't make it a bad movie. IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic all have good scores for it, but no those don't make any difference at all because YOU didn't like it. You can't be so ignorant about the quality of a movie because YOU didn't enjoy it. Christ.
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Naw man you're missing the point. Just because you LIKE a movie does NOT make it a good one.
A lot of people enjoy bad movies, that'll make them rate it higher. That's just how things are.
It's like bad music. Lots of people love bad music, doesn't mean it's good.
I like Turtles
When did I ever say I enjoyed the movie? All I've been saying was how good ratings from many sources makes a movie good. If a movie theoretically got 100% ratings across the board, but YOU didn't enjoy it, does that make it a bad movie? Of course not.
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WUBRG Cromat
I agree that they would be remiss to not involve multiple planes eventually. But if they are looking to make this into a series with lasting popular appeal, they really need to take it slow. You can't just start off slinging spells and hopping planes, or you'll lose any newcomers fairly quick. Think about some of the fantasy movie series that have become popular recently. Harry Potter starts out with just a relatable adolescent boy in the real world, who then discovers this alternate world of magic. Or Lord of the Rings, which starts out in an idyllic countryside with a birthday party before introducing any trolls or goblins or spells.
I think they would be best served around having the first film center around a single, relatable planeswalker (Chandra maybe) on their home plane before their spark is awoken. Give people time to get attached to the character and their situation, and then maybe towards the middle or end have whatever traumatic event that awakens their spark. After that the character can find out about other planes and other planeswalkers and whatnot. Maybe the second movie takes place on a second single plane, to let people get used to the multi-plane concept, and only after that have a movie which involves a multiple-plane plotline.
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Or maybe he should star as Norin the Wary.
Agreed 100%. I think they could potentially achieve something similar, though perhaps more grim, with Elspeth, though.
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life...good ratings are what makes movies good?! whaaaa? So if someone hacked imdb, rottentomatoes, boxofficemojo, etc and changed the rating for something like 'gigli' (or whatever that terrible movie was called) or 'from justin to kelly' to a 9.8 across the board and you came across those ratings, then you would automatically start thinking that they were good movies or want to see them?
Look at all those terrible artsy movies with no plot that are essentially slice of life dramas following around mundane characters doing mundane things but for some reason the sundance circuit LOVES them and they get 8+ ratings or 4 1/2 stars. I don't care WHAT the ratings are for that trash, I'll never consider them good movies.
IMO, what makes a good movie are: writing, direction, cinematography, acting, and score. I couldn't care less what other people think about it, as long as I enjoyed it, and if I DIDN'T enjoy it, then yes, to me as an individual that makes it a bad movie.
On topic, like I said in the other thread (why 2 threads btw?) I'm hoping for either the Whispering Woods trilogy from the 90s, the Weatherlight Saga, or the Odyssey/Onslaught trilogies but unfortunately WotC loves their Jace and I'd be totally surprised if they didn't go that route.