I'm not convinced that it will be a pod deck, or any three-color deck at all. Event decks are supposed to be semi-competitive (and I'm using that term loosely, but they are definitely supposed to be much more powerful than your average intro deck). You really can't run any three-color deck on a competitive level without at least a few fetches in there, and I don't believe for a minute that Wizards would reprint enough fetches in this deck to justify a consistent three-color deck.
For my money, I think they're going to go with a Tron deck. It comes in three flavors: Mono-blue, UW and RG. Neither one would require an expensive mana-base to function. The Urza-Tron lands are all worth about a dollar each as-is. This means the bulk of the $75.00 price tag could go toward flashy, marketable bombs in the vein of Karn or Wurmcoil Engine. I could see at least a few of the double-sided tokens being tokens for Wurmcoil. The deck itself is just as iconic as Pod or Twin, but doesn't rely on abstract combos or making an infinite number of creatures, which may be difficult to explain in a strategy insert or be a turn-off to new players trying to get into Modern. Tron gets to make big, flashy plays and the winning strategy can be explained easily in a strategy insert. The concept is more easily marketable ("Harness the power of Urza's secrets and unleash his ancient machines against your opponent!") than a deck that relies on combos between cards that were never really expected to interact together ("Unleash the might of Kiki-Jiki and... Restoration Angel, I guess."), and it just looks plain cooler on a box.
Not really. Putting only one of something like Karn in an event deck can go either way in price. Sure it increases the supply of a chase mythic, but it's still a small print run and all these people who now have 1 Karn now have to buy 3 more to complete the set. It's like how Goyf and Bob just went up in price with MM.
I'm not sure what I think about this product. From a outside/new person perspective, it seems like a lot of these competitive formats are just inaccessible money sinks. And when new cards are printed to make certain ones available, the secondary market makes MSRP a big joke.
Wizards is sort of in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation here. If they make the deck a budget version of a functioning archetype, it'll be a very narrow product that people might get so they can lose at modern until they replace the budget cards with expensive singles. If they make it a reprint deck with a good selection of stuff the secondary market will also ensure no one can get it at MSRP as an actual entry into the format.
The tron approach seems the most reasonable, but they might end up including enough value for the money that this never hits the streets at MSRP and is instead marked up well past MSRP or just broken down for single sales.
Probably can't get close to Jund for $75. But the Core of a lot of these modern decks isn't that expensive.
Merlia + kitchen finks + redcap.. its really Fetchlands + Cord + Deathrite that makes that deck expensive. (I traded the sword I got in MM for my deathrites ) You put in the inexpensive core and then 1 or 2 of the bonus cards.
Cranial plating is the power card out of affinity. Ravanger is a secondary thing to help win the longer game.
splinter twin.. isn't that expensive an enchantment.. exarch and pestermite are nothing. Kiki has commander demade on top of it being not printed a lot of.
While its not doing well since the bannings you can do a whole storm deck for $75. (build a mono red one for $15 )
for me this means there's going to be a modern game day
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My thoughts are with you MeliraPod, but I'm sure you will disappoint me!
Any way, we will have to wait and see the contents to see if it justifies the price. There is a very high chance there will be a fetchland in there and then maybe a couple of dual lands(painlands, buddy lands, fast lands). Who knows?
But the inclusion of the accessories (sleeves, dice,...) makes me think that it leaves less "money" for the cards. A solid 75 card box of a modern deck with nothing else it would have more chances to be something good.
WoTC don't fail us! It's a nice move don't destroy it.
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I think this will probably be GW Hatebears. It gives a nice outlet to reprint Noble Hierarch and Horizon Canopy, both of which were notably absent from Modern Masters.
Its expensive because wziards wants to pocket some of that sweet secondary market cash. This is potentially the beginning of the end for mtg. Hello Yugioh 2.0. Theyll start printing money mythics and selling them direct from Wizards. After all, if youre being threatened by high end xountefeiters, its the best way to make yiur cash and get out before the counterfeiters get it. Or to crash the market just to make counterfeiting a waste of time. Im hoping this thing has a market value of less than 75 but if they jam a goyf plus fetches in there Im just going to sell everythibg and play cheap and reliable monored in everything until thibgs are cheap as wizards wants. No incentive to stay and watch them target modern staples I own one by one.
Also you can buy 2 fetches easily for 75. If you have Mutavault you can build merfolk cheaply. If yiu want to play modern you can.
im pretty pumped about this, this is what they need for modern if they dont want it to go the way of legacy and end up as a forgotten format. continued support.
These wont be completely optimized I wouldnt think but should allow for players to get their hands on what they want. If anything it will increase the supply, as we have an increasing demand. too bad card hoarders. We all knew that eventually MTGFinance would bite us in the backside.
As much as I hate to say it, this NEEDS to include Tarmogoyf. MM didn't even make a dent in the price, and it's a gateway card for any green deck that includes creatures. They need to get its price under control.
MM was very successful at lowering the prices on many rares, but the mythics need help badly. I'm not expecting it, but still...
im pretty pumped about this, this is what they need for modern if they dont want it to go the way of legacy and end up as a forgotten format. continued support.
These wont be completely optimized I wouldnt think but should allow for players to get their hands on what they want. If anything it will increase the supply, as we have an increasing demand. too bad card hoarders. We all knew that eventually MTGFinance would bite us in the backside.
Yes please punish me and my desire to have 4x of staples so I can build what I want to play.
Why punish the ones supoorting the format instead of supporting "I would play if..."ers
After thinking about this, isn't it a little suspicious this gets announced right after the counterfeits post appeared? (not in conspiracy mode here, just curious as what y'all think)
No, they always run a ton of set/product announcements at the beginning of January.
Commander's Arsenal was limited to 2-4 copies per LGS, if I recall correctly.
There is nothing in this announcement that suggests any sort of ridiculous limited printing run for this product.
As much as I hate to say it, this NEEDS to include Tarmogoyf. MM didn't even make a dent in the price, and it's a gateway card for any green deck that includes creatures. They need to get its price under control.
MM was very successful at lowering the prices on many rares, but the mythics need help badly. I'm not expecting it, but still...
Pod is a green deck
This deck would need to have more than one Goyf to make any more of a dent in the supply of Goyfs than MM did.
And that is not happening.
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As much as I hate to say it, this NEEDS to include Tarmogoyf. MM didn't even make a dent in the price, and it's a gateway card for any green deck that includes creatures. They need to get its price under control.
MM was very successful at lowering the prices on many rares, but the mythics need help badly. I'm not expecting it, but still...
I'm doubting there will be ANY mythics in this deck. There has never been a mythic in an event deck to date.
Its expensive because wziards wants to pocket some of that sweet secondary market cash.
I hope they continue to attempt to do so. While wizards development can consider how they want to craft the standard format, their simultaneous influence over modern and legacy is a bit harder for them to get a grasp on. They do things like True Name Nemesis in a casual product. So it makes sense to let the player base sort out the real card value and then go back and add more supply of the cards with the most demand.
This is potentially the beginning of the end for mtg. Hello Yugioh 2.0. Theyll start printing money mythics and selling them direct from Wizards. After all, if youre being threatened by high end xountefeiters, its the best way to make yiur cash and get out before the counterfeiters get it. Or to crash the market just to make counterfeiting a waste of time.
Things are on a continuum here. Reprinting a selection of cards is not going to crash the market. Is it really a bad thing for Thoughtseize being reprinted to bring the Lorwyn price down to a reasonable level? Would it really be so bad if the same thing happened to Tarmogoyf? Modern Masters was insufficient volume to have any real effect on the goyf, whereas a rare slot in a main expansion set was more than enough for Thoughtseize.
Im hoping this thing has a market value of less than 75 but if they jam a goyf plus fetches in there Im just going to sell everythibg and play cheap and reliable monored in everything until thibgs are cheap as wizards wants. No incentive to stay and watch them target modern staples I own one by one.
And here's the real issue. For those who own those staples, this means a reduction in their value.
Modern players, would you rather have the format be more accessible for new players or would you rather your cards value be protected in the form of no new reprints of them? It really may end up being an either-or situation.
And here's the real issue. For those who own those staples, this means a reduction in their value.
Modern players, would you rather have the format be more accessible for new players or would you rather your cards value be protected in the form of no new reprints of them? It really may end up being an either-or situation.
If they want new players in the format that's ok, if they want the value of their cards to be "protected" they should quickly switch to Legacy/Vintage so that they are under the Reserved List umbrella.
Well due to the fact that it states that there are "5 double-sided tokens" within the reveal, I'm gonna guess that Huntmaster of the Fells is included (as it's the most likely Modern staple DFC) which would make the deck RG and something else?
I don't see how a double-sided token would indicate Huntmaster. There was no creature that created an Angle that flipped into a Demon, yet I have 2 double-sided Angle-Demon tokens. It could mean something as simple as they are saving cardboard and ink in creating the product.
Whatever the case, I look forward to this set, and I hope my local gaming store has them. Preferably these would be sold on the shelves of Walmart Target etc.
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You don't understand. This is the first step. They print MM and Commander's Arsenal and some bean counter at Hasbro HQ goes, "Oh, we made bank on that and we only printed X. Why didn't we print more? Like 5x? Let's do more reprint products." And the design people are going, "Well, MM sort of worked...next time, print more Goyf and Bob." Pretty soon it's their go-to to make more money...why put cash in R&D and card design when we can reprint stuff for .00000001 cents per card and sell for $20 a card. It's all gravy and extra profits until the market can't take anymore. Oversaturation, dig? Then it becomes why should I pay $4 for a booster when I know every single card in that pack will be worth about .05 in a year because of overprinting. Standard dies, then modern, then Legacy.
I hope they continue to attempt to do so. While wizards development can consider how they want to craft the standard format, their simultaneous influence over modern and legacy is a bit harder for them to get a grasp on. They do things like True Name Nemesis in a casual product. So it makes sense to let the player base sort out the real card value and then go back and add more supply of the cards with the most demand.
Things are on a continuum here. Reprinting a selection of cards is not going to crash the market. Is it really a bad thing for Thoughtseize being reprinted to bring the Lorwyn price down to a reasonable level? Would it really be so bad if the same thing happened to Tarmogoyf? Modern Masters was insufficient volume to have any real effect on the goyf, whereas a rare slot in a main expansion set was more than enough for Thoughtseize.
And here's the real issue. For those who own those staples, this means a reduction in their value.
Modern players, would you rather have the format be more accessible for new players or would you rather your cards value be protected in the form of no new reprints of them? It really may end up being an either-or situation.
And i am pretty sure it will end up being a "cheap" modern deck like affity or merlfolk... i wouldn't be surprised to see burn there, but clearly without all of the manabase.
Btw, I am completely sick and tired about people complaining about "investment" and "losing money" because of the reprints.
We are not "investing" here... we are playing with pieces of cardboard at very inflated prices, don't expect to feel like a winner after you spent $100s on cardboard.
If someone much more skilled at this game than you creates a new deck that raises the price of a 0.50 card to 10 it is ok, feel happy to sell... you did absolutely nothing to deserve that, but whatever, I would do it too (see splinter twin before the release of deceiver exarch)
If your card goes all the way down to nothing for whatever reason (Ban, rotation, deck gets hated out hard, reprint), please be a man and deal with it... as you don't control when a card is going up, neither you do when a card goes down.
I'm not convinced that it will be a pod deck, or any three-color deck at all. Event decks are supposed to be semi-competitive (and I'm using that term loosely, but they are definitely supposed to be much more powerful than your average intro deck). You really can't run any three-color deck on a competitive level without at least a few fetches in there, and I don't believe for a minute that Wizards would reprint enough fetches in this deck to justify a consistent three-color deck.
For my money, I think they're going to go with a Tron deck. It comes in three flavors: Mono-blue, UW and RG. Neither one would require an expensive mana-base to function. The Urza-Tron lands are all worth about a dollar each as-is. This means the bulk of the $75.00 price tag could go toward flashy, marketable bombs in the vein of Karn or Wurmcoil Engine. I could see at least a few of the double-sided tokens being tokens for Wurmcoil. The deck itself is just as iconic as Pod or Twin, but doesn't rely on abstract combos or making an infinite number of creatures, which may be difficult to explain in a strategy insert or be a turn-off to new players trying to get into Modern. Tron gets to make big, flashy plays and the winning strategy can be explained easily in a strategy insert. The concept is more easily marketable ("Harness the power of Urza's secrets and unleash his ancient machines against your opponent!") than a deck that relies on combos between cards that were never really expected to interact together ("Unleash the might of Kiki-Jiki and... Restoration Angel, I guess."), and it just looks plain cooler on a box.
Wizards is sort of in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation here. If they make the deck a budget version of a functioning archetype, it'll be a very narrow product that people might get so they can lose at modern until they replace the budget cards with expensive singles. If they make it a reprint deck with a good selection of stuff the secondary market will also ensure no one can get it at MSRP as an actual entry into the format.
The tron approach seems the most reasonable, but they might end up including enough value for the money that this never hits the streets at MSRP and is instead marked up well past MSRP or just broken down for single sales.
I would really like to see more fetchlands.
Verdant catacombs was in a standard event deck remember.
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Probably can't get close to Jund for $75. But the Core of a lot of these modern decks isn't that expensive.
Merlia + kitchen finks + redcap.. its really Fetchlands + Cord + Deathrite that makes that deck expensive. (I traded the sword I got in MM for my deathrites ) You put in the inexpensive core and then 1 or 2 of the bonus cards.
Cranial plating is the power card out of affinity. Ravanger is a secondary thing to help win the longer game.
splinter twin.. isn't that expensive an enchantment.. exarch and pestermite are nothing. Kiki has commander demade on top of it being not printed a lot of.
While its not doing well since the bannings you can do a whole storm deck for $75. (build a mono red one for $15 )
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UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
Edit: and the dice! Hoping for pretty thing like the one from 20.
WBRG Saskia the Unyielding
WUB Sharuum the Hegemon
RWU Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest
RG Wort, the Raidmother
WU Brago, King Eternal
B Chainer, Dementia Master
Was it because it was all foil, or was it $35 for a single 60 card deck?
If Modern Event Deck were to be a failure, it would probably be that people won't buy it for $75.
Any way, we will have to wait and see the contents to see if it justifies the price. There is a very high chance there will be a fetchland in there and then maybe a couple of dual lands(painlands, buddy lands, fast lands). Who knows?
But the inclusion of the accessories (sleeves, dice,...) makes me think that it leaves less "money" for the cards. A solid 75 card box of a modern deck with nothing else it would have more chances to be something good.
WoTC don't fail us! It's a nice move don't destroy it.
Look to the bloodlust deepest scar
Look to the scattering Brythonic uprising
For this be the wall of Johnny Guitar
Also you can buy 2 fetches easily for 75. If you have Mutavault you can build merfolk cheaply. If yiu want to play modern you can.
I think they sold well but wotc was afraid it couldn't top graveborn.
These wont be completely optimized I wouldnt think but should allow for players to get their hands on what they want. If anything it will increase the supply, as we have an increasing demand. too bad card hoarders. We all knew that eventually MTGFinance would bite us in the backside.
MM was very successful at lowering the prices on many rares, but the mythics need help badly. I'm not expecting it, but still...
Yes please punish me and my desire to have 4x of staples so I can build what I want to play.
Why punish the ones supoorting the format instead of supporting "I would play if..."ers
No, they always run a ton of set/product announcements at the beginning of January.
Commander's Arsenal was limited to 2-4 copies per LGS, if I recall correctly.
There is nothing in this announcement that suggests any sort of ridiculous limited printing run for this product.
Pod is a green deck
This deck would need to have more than one Goyf to make any more of a dent in the supply of Goyfs than MM did.
And that is not happening.
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I'm doubting there will be ANY mythics in this deck. There has never been a mythic in an event deck to date.
The only Mythics Pod runs are a couple of 1-2 ofs like Archangel of Thune, Kiki-jiki, Mirror Breaker, and Voice of Resurgence. They could easily make a highly playable version of the deck with no mythics, while still fulfilling some cards that need to be printed (fetches, Horizon Canopy, Noble Hierarch, Birthing Pod, Chord of Calling, etc.
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I hope they continue to attempt to do so. While wizards development can consider how they want to craft the standard format, their simultaneous influence over modern and legacy is a bit harder for them to get a grasp on. They do things like True Name Nemesis in a casual product. So it makes sense to let the player base sort out the real card value and then go back and add more supply of the cards with the most demand.
Things are on a continuum here. Reprinting a selection of cards is not going to crash the market. Is it really a bad thing for Thoughtseize being reprinted to bring the Lorwyn price down to a reasonable level? Would it really be so bad if the same thing happened to Tarmogoyf? Modern Masters was insufficient volume to have any real effect on the goyf, whereas a rare slot in a main expansion set was more than enough for Thoughtseize.
And here's the real issue. For those who own those staples, this means a reduction in their value.
Modern players, would you rather have the format be more accessible for new players or would you rather your cards value be protected in the form of no new reprints of them? It really may end up being an either-or situation.
If they want new players in the format that's ok, if they want the value of their cards to be "protected" they should quickly switch to Legacy/Vintage so that they are under the Reserved List umbrella.
I don't see how a double-sided token would indicate Huntmaster. There was no creature that created an Angle that flipped into a Demon, yet I have 2 double-sided Angle-Demon tokens. It could mean something as simple as they are saving cardboard and ink in creating the product.
Whatever the case, I look forward to this set, and I hope my local gaming store has them. Preferably these would be sold on the shelves of Walmart Target etc.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
BUT HEY CHEAP CARDS!!!!!!!!$!$!$!$
And i am pretty sure it will end up being a "cheap" modern deck like affity or merlfolk... i wouldn't be surprised to see burn there, but clearly without all of the manabase.
Btw, I am completely sick and tired about people complaining about "investment" and "losing money" because of the reprints.
We are not "investing" here... we are playing with pieces of cardboard at very inflated prices, don't expect to feel like a winner after you spent $100s on cardboard.
If someone much more skilled at this game than you creates a new deck that raises the price of a 0.50 card to 10 it is ok, feel happy to sell... you did absolutely nothing to deserve that, but whatever, I would do it too (see splinter twin before the release of deceiver exarch)
If your card goes all the way down to nothing for whatever reason (Ban, rotation, deck gets hated out hard, reprint), please be a man and deal with it... as you don't control when a card is going up, neither you do when a card goes down.
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