I definitely could see them doing that on any future invitational reprints but I would rather Wizards use the ORIGINAL art for that than a flavor text saying it was designed by so and so, not that I'm against that in addition.
That said, the one change that actually does bother me a bit is the "Designed by" part. It's groan-worthy, and eye-roll inducing gratuitous self acknowledgement. The fact that they have to try to convince us that it is at all necessary, cool, or what-have by say "Trust us, it's cool!" is telling.
Look, we all know that the designers and developers are faceless to the most of us; putting it on the cards is just annoying and out of place. If they really wanted to say who designed a card, they should put an article up about it and often. The text is meaningless to the game, but important to the flavor types.
Not saying it's going to make me quit the game, just that it's going to make my eyes roll every time I see it. It's pointless gratuitous self back-patting.
He didn't say that the "Designed by" would be on every card - just on a handful of special cards. They could be reprinting Invitational cards and crediting the old winners, or they could have a new competition where a handful of people get to design their own card.
Now let's pretend I already own all the expensive stuff I was referencing (which I do), and thus have a negative self interest in seeing availability increase, are you saying that my wanting other people to be able to afford that stuff is entitlement? And FYI, as it is my profession, I can tell you that the client wanting software that works and is easy to use is not entitlement.
Yet you offered zero constructive feedback or any realistic way in which they could solve the issue post TNN printing. You complained and offered nothing more. To which I ask, what exactly do you expect them to do? Attempt a futile recall all copies of TNN? Ban it in Legacy - despite there being answers for it - in the name of fairness to those who don't want to spend $40-50 per card in a format where they'll spend $50+ per Wasteland? Do you expect them to mail copies out to all registered DCI members? To toss it into a product that will make it legal in Standard and Modern and warp both formats? Bend over backwards to find a place to insert it in a supplemental product so that investors and speculators can buy every copy of that product up to re-sell just like they did the Mind Seize decks?
While it was a mistake to put it into one deck and thus creating availability issues, the real culprits are the speculators that treat Magic as a business and buy to resell and Wizards can't do anything about that culture that wouldn't crash the market. But if you want to offer some constructive feedback other than complaining and harping on an issue that has more to do with the investor culture than Wizards at this point, by all means. But as far as Aaron Forscythe not downplaying the otherwise success of the Commander product? It was a massive success and it would be asinine to expect him to downplay that because the internet doesn't forgive or forget and want what they want now and only now.
I really hate that foil mark, as it's going to be hell to paint around and appears to attract the eye in a horridly obvious way that detracts from the overall beauty of the card.
On the other hand, the font they designed looks really cool. I'm drooling over that "F" in Wall of Fire.
Waste of time. All the decision making that went into this. Such a minor change why even bother and that time could havd been spent designing cards i actually want to use. The holofoil bit in rares and mythics is completely irrelevant too because if color coded expansion symbols.
Waste of time. All the decision making that went into this. Such a minor change why even bother and that time could havd been spent designing cards i actually want to use. The holofoil bit in rares and mythics is completely irrelevant too because if color coded expansion symbols.
You might be forgetting the part where the point of the holofoil bit is to stop counterfiters from continuing to make fake cards. That's why it isn't on C/U cards
I've got to be honest, I'm not particularly amused at how they admitted all the mistakes they made that upset people (Modern Masters being so limited, M14 Slivers changing the sliver mechanic, True Name Nemesis being so limited, Magic Online and all its issues) and then immediately proceed to just write them off as successes, essentially saying they have no desire to actually do anything to fix these presently existing problems and instead that they'll get it right next time. I mean, I'm all for rebalancing Commander decks in future releases, but it doesn't do anything to help Legacy with TNN either now or then. It's just as irritating as when someone "apologizes" by saying "I'm sorry you're upset" rather than taking any responsibility for the situation.
Mostly irritated at TNN here, I mean seriously he admits they couldn't tell it would be good in legacy? That is either a lie or they need to hire someone who knows the legacy meta to help them design cards because any half decent legacy player worth their salt could have given them 10 reason why TNN would be a force in that format after about 10 secs.
Basically Maro is either lying for PR reasons or R&D really is that dumb about the legacy format, both are disappointing to say the least.
Plus don't forget 5 years from now today's $30 card could be tomorrow's goyf.
The circumstances that made goyf what it is are very unlikely to repeat as the playerbase is just too big these days to likely cause such a shortsale of a set to occur.
I don't get how they are listing Dragon's Maze as a success.
It probably sold well, the set doesn't' have chase rares really but it had alot of casual hits and interesting cards that could see play some time or another. Other than shameless $$$ print of voice I'd argue it was well designed and much better than gatecrash.
I'm glad that they apologized for the Slivers, but I would list the lack of dual lands in M14 as a failure.
dual lands is such an easy way to sell a set I'm actually glad they tried something different. It didn't work but at least they tried to branch out from the tried and true method of reprint color fixers at rare to add a bunch of easy desirable rares in a set.
I still wouldn't say that Devotion being a format-defining mechanic is a good thing. It invalidates a lot of the RTR Block cards and I think it is boring. But Theros was a success for the most part.
Plenty of RTR cards are strong BECAUSE of devotion and Its actually kinda interesting to see monocolored decks actually be tier 1. Its been a long long LONG time since multiple mono-colored decks were arguably tier 1.
Commander 2013 was a success, and I am glad that they are going to stop making certain decks much more valuable than others.
I don't have enough faith in their design capabilities for this promise to be kept. Historically the most expensive cards in modern design have been wotc's mistakes, you really can't promise to not make a mistake.
He didn't say that the "Designed by" would be on every card - just on a handful of special cards. They could be reprinting Invitational cards and crediting the old winners, or they could have a new competition where a handful of people get to design their own card.
fingers crossed as this would be pretty cool. BOB with a "designed by Bob Mahr," would be something amazing.
Waste of time. All the decision making that went into this. Such a minor change why even bother and that time could havd been spent designing cards i actually want to use. The holofoil bit in rares and mythics is completely irrelevant too because if color coded expansion symbols.
They should have added a QR code that goes straight to TCGplayer.
Why god, why!? Now I have to dodge around a dang hologram?!
Seems like Wotc's getting a little hostile to the altered art community, although I realize that this will ALSO make it harder for people to make those stupid foil sticker alters...
It's a double-edged sword to me though...
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Sylvan Safekeeper for Modern? I'd play the snot out of it in Modern Pod decks (partially because Ranger of Eos can get it and partially because it can swing for 1, while Spellskite swings for 0)!
...Alas, I suspect more Solemn Simulacrums (Jens) will be more likely to make it into core sets, as they've already made it once. (Rangers (Ruel) would be interesting additions, though...)
On another note, for the sake of the ever-curious MTGS community, I love how readable collector's numbers are on the new card frame! I miss how uniform the previous card frame was, though...
I found this little bit to be a shame. No more cards secretly making it into other sets.
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I don't think I like the new frame and typeface but I will get used to it over time.
The type line doesn't seem to offer any more space than the previous design and it is something that has burned Wizards at least twice in the past (with Zendikar Allies and the Legendary Enchantment Artifacts - Equipment in Theros) so I'm surprised there isn't an obvious change there.
Waste Not legal at the same time as Thoughtseize is? That's a nice push.
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Don't care for the extended black bottom. Seems like 'logistics' was the only prompt for it, and I'd rather they just deal with the more complicated procedure instead of integrate the visual-scanning stuff they were talking about. Unless they're directly passing those profits on to us by raising the quality of what we're buying, they're just decreasing their own expenses and delivering a less aesthetically pleasing product. I can understand that as a company decision, but it sure sucks.
The border reduction is neat, of course. Less dead space.
I didn't know counterfeiting was actually an issue, but their solution doesn't bother me at this time. I'll have to see how they appear in person, I think. Too bad for the additional hardships on alters, though.
As for the design credits, I really don't get why they didn't take advantage of all that black space they just made and put design credits down there with artist credits. It could go right there on the right corner, under the WotC ownership info. Feels like they used a blunt hammer to sign an autograph -.-
The language being on the card is the one thing I like about the new frame. For the average person it can be hard to know exactly what language a foreign card is, which might be relevant towards trading / selling cards - a certain language might have a smaller print run and could thus affect its value.
I've never understood the difficulty some people have in identifying different languages, especially when people are making a point of seeking out cards of a given language. The European languages are all extremely easy to tell apart for most Westerners. Printed Korean has little (if anything) in common with Chinese or Japanese. Japanese cards prominently use the hiragana and katakana alphabets in addition to kanji, and Chinese is printed exclusively in sinograms. It's the sort of thing that doesn't take any kind of specialized training to be able to do... fifteen minutes on wikipedia is all it takes to train yourself to be able to recognize which languages cards are printed in to an extremely high degree of accuracy.
That border makes me queasy, why couldn't they drag it down all the way to the bottom of the card at least? They way it curves out where it does sets off some sort of OCD in me. Not a fan of the holo sticker either. Rest of the stuff is a plus I guess though.
Agreed 100%- that bottom border bothers me way, *way* more than it should.
It looks similar to the Planeswalker frame, but it's just a normal card!
No thanks.
And that sticker is dumb and paradoxically makes the card look cheaper.
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I definitely could see them doing that on any future invitational reprints but I would rather Wizards use the ORIGINAL art for that than a flavor text saying it was designed by so and so, not that I'm against that in addition.
Sure, let's reprint Snapcaster Mage and Dark Confidant. What could possibly go wrong?
On another note, the next time a broken card comes out, we will know who to blame because it will be in the card's flavor text.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
If they were going to change the card frame, they should have made the changes very bold, distinct and differenct.
But eh, just my opinion.
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He didn't say that the "Designed by" would be on every card - just on a handful of special cards. They could be reprinting Invitational cards and crediting the old winners, or they could have a new competition where a handful of people get to design their own card.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1401
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Yet you offered zero constructive feedback or any realistic way in which they could solve the issue post TNN printing. You complained and offered nothing more. To which I ask, what exactly do you expect them to do? Attempt a futile recall all copies of TNN? Ban it in Legacy - despite there being answers for it - in the name of fairness to those who don't want to spend $40-50 per card in a format where they'll spend $50+ per Wasteland? Do you expect them to mail copies out to all registered DCI members? To toss it into a product that will make it legal in Standard and Modern and warp both formats? Bend over backwards to find a place to insert it in a supplemental product so that investors and speculators can buy every copy of that product up to re-sell just like they did the Mind Seize decks?
While it was a mistake to put it into one deck and thus creating availability issues, the real culprits are the speculators that treat Magic as a business and buy to resell and Wizards can't do anything about that culture that wouldn't crash the market. But if you want to offer some constructive feedback other than complaining and harping on an issue that has more to do with the investor culture than Wizards at this point, by all means. But as far as Aaron Forscythe not downplaying the otherwise success of the Commander product? It was a massive success and it would be asinine to expect him to downplay that because the internet doesn't forgive or forget and want what they want now and only now.
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On the other hand, the font they designed looks really cool. I'm drooling over that "F" in Wall of Fire.
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You might be forgetting the part where the point of the holofoil bit is to stop counterfiters from continuing to make fake cards. That's why it isn't on C/U cards
Mostly irritated at TNN here, I mean seriously he admits they couldn't tell it would be good in legacy? That is either a lie or they need to hire someone who knows the legacy meta to help them design cards because any half decent legacy player worth their salt could have given them 10 reason why TNN would be a force in that format after about 10 secs.
Basically Maro is either lying for PR reasons or R&D really is that dumb about the legacy format, both are disappointing to say the least.
TBH only thing I don't like is it isn't uniform across rarities though its fairly pointless to use it on uncommons/commons.
The circumstances that made goyf what it is are very unlikely to repeat as the playerbase is just too big these days to likely cause such a shortsale of a set to occur.
It probably sold well, the set doesn't' have chase rares really but it had alot of casual hits and interesting cards that could see play some time or another. Other than shameless $$$ print of voice I'd argue it was well designed and much better than gatecrash.
dual lands is such an easy way to sell a set I'm actually glad they tried something different. It didn't work but at least they tried to branch out from the tried and true method of reprint color fixers at rare to add a bunch of easy desirable rares in a set.
Plenty of RTR cards are strong BECAUSE of devotion and Its actually kinda interesting to see monocolored decks actually be tier 1. Its been a long long LONG time since multiple mono-colored decks were arguably tier 1.
I don't have enough faith in their design capabilities for this promise to be kept. Historically the most expensive cards in modern design have been wotc's mistakes, you really can't promise to not make a mistake.
fingers crossed as this would be pretty cool. BOB with a "designed by Bob Mahr," would be something amazing.
They should have added a QR code that goes straight to TCGplayer.
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Why god, why!? Now I have to dodge around a dang hologram?!
Seems like Wotc's getting a little hostile to the altered art community, although I realize that this will ALSO make it harder for people to make those stupid foil sticker alters...
It's a double-edged sword to me though...
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Sylvan Safekeeper for Modern? I'd play the snot out of it in Modern Pod decks (partially because Ranger of Eos can get it and partially because it can swing for 1, while Spellskite swings for 0)!
...Alas, I suspect more Solemn Simulacrums (Jens) will be more likely to make it into core sets, as they've already made it once. (Rangers (Ruel) would be interesting additions, though...)
On another note, for the sake of the ever-curious MTGS community, I love how readable collector's numbers are on the new card frame! I miss how uniform the previous card frame was, though...
So we won't get more Rootborn Defenses and Simic Fluxmages?
...At least I'm glad to see that Wizards is learning...
The type line doesn't seem to offer any more space than the previous design and it is something that has burned Wizards at least twice in the past (with Zendikar Allies and the Legendary Enchantment Artifacts - Equipment in Theros) so I'm surprised there isn't an obvious change there.
Mostly happy to see Waste Not in M15.
would it be similar to a event deck or to a batle pack ?
It curves out in the wrong order, though. Might as well start putting together a discard EDH deck...
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The border reduction is neat, of course. Less dead space.
I didn't know counterfeiting was actually an issue, but their solution doesn't bother me at this time. I'll have to see how they appear in person, I think. Too bad for the additional hardships on alters, though.
As for the design credits, I really don't get why they didn't take advantage of all that black space they just made and put design credits down there with artist credits. It could go right there on the right corner, under the WotC ownership info. Feels like they used a blunt hammer to sign an autograph -.-
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No need for anything that tacky, the current flavor text shows who the card represents to everyone who knows of the player.
I've never understood the difficulty some people have in identifying different languages, especially when people are making a point of seeking out cards of a given language. The European languages are all extremely easy to tell apart for most Westerners. Printed Korean has little (if anything) in common with Chinese or Japanese. Japanese cards prominently use the hiragana and katakana alphabets in addition to kanji, and Chinese is printed exclusively in sinograms. It's the sort of thing that doesn't take any kind of specialized training to be able to do... fifteen minutes on wikipedia is all it takes to train yourself to be able to recognize which languages cards are printed in to an extremely high degree of accuracy.
Agreed 100%- that bottom border bothers me way, *way* more than it should.
It looks similar to the Planeswalker frame, but it's just a normal card!
No thanks.
And that sticker is dumb and paradoxically makes the card look cheaper.
Oh well, at least it's minor.
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