The pokemon TCG has had conversions to online product for awhile now, not sure if they still do it but its not completely unheard off.
Yu-Gi-Oh cards used to have a code on the bottom you could input into the games to obtain the card in game.
These things are totally not unheard of in the TCG world, but then again we are talking about WotC, a subsidiary of Habro inc.
Them making it so that the cards I get from cracking packs are also available for me on MTGO would be a brilliant move, but probably they think it is more profitable the way they currently have it. Maybe in the short term, but long term and I think you'd see crazy sales.
Out of curiosity, I know this thread is mainly about the new card frame, was there any other new information about the core set released? I was just wondering as they decided to put a very odd picture of Garruk in it, usually they try to avoid putting story specific cards in core sets and they did say that this set was different from most other cores.
The past two core sets have really been moving toward making the core sets have more storyline in them. I like it, since it offers a way for us to find out what a Planeswalker is up to without having to wait for them to appear in an expert expansion,
If only wizards was taking a vote for the card frames like they took a vote to make Waste Not.
That would be a nightmare. YMTC printed a casual-focused rare, normally something that gets a few insults and remarks on this forum but little more attention than that, and suddenly there's a ton of drama and rage about it.
Now imagine if the card frame change, something that's already causing drama and rage, and ramp that up an equal amount. The MTG community would explode.
I just noticed this topic today, I know a little slow on update, and I decided to check it out. That being said, the only thing I really dislike is the placement of the foil marking. I understand why they did it, yet it appears be rather intrusive on the cards. I find myself more glancing down at the foil then the actual card, probably just because it's new though. Anyway I plan on reserving most of my other judgements until I actually have the cards in hand.
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Tell me about it. Back when I played Yugioh, I bought 2 copies of about every game, and used the codes on some of the cards to win the Sacred Cards game multiple times. Too bad Reshef of Destruction made you pay 1000 bucks to exchange a code, coulda beat it, though it would've been harder.
Inputting a code to unlock a card in a video game is a little different than inputting a code to unlock a $40 card you can play in Championship series and such.
Don't know if it's been said in the thread already, but I just realized after sorting some cards that the new frame is actually very similar to the one used since a while on planeswalkers. And the walkers were the most "readable" cards.
Tbh the only thing I don't like is the fact that wizards made a big deal out of this change. It's not really a big change, if you compare the wall of flames to each other from a distance its hard to notice. I would have much rather they left all this publicity to a much more divergent frame. I look at other ccg frames and can't help but like the sleek style of android's Netrunner/ Magic's Future shift.
I don't even think they're making a big deal out of it. It was sort of a footnote at the end of an annually expected article, brought up because he couldn't show the card without bringing up the obvious differentiation. I think we're the ones making a big deal out of this.
Here is my vision with a lowered typeset and a sense of order given to the bottom:
Hope you don't mind, but I liked your mock-up best so far, so I used it as a base:
Instead of the ugly foily sticker, I actually think they should just foil up parts of the set symbol like they do with foil card art.
I'd also like to see them be rid of the rounded corners and change the colors to give more of a magic tablet/scroll type feel that the one old cards had (without sacrificing the readability gains of the 8th ed frames). I think the reason the Planar Chaos frames were so popular was because those over-saturated frames gave off more of that vibe.
THe issue with this is the foil stamp is embossed on which means it raises a bit to prove its legit, its alot harder to counterfit foil stams as thier unique. then to print on a foil sticker paper then press on printed card
The issue isn't that some people know where to get counterfeits, the issue is that the counterfeits are getting very close to the real deal now. A lot were found in the past few months where, unless you really looked at the card, it looked authentic. I think there were some domri's floating around where the only thing that was off was the artists name, and that's at the very bottom of the card (so you usually don't see it when holding it) and let's face it, not many people care who drew their card.
So it's more of a preemptive strike than a response to a prevalent problem, huh? I guess that makes sense. I'm okay with the change. I prefer the original frames and the futureshifted frames myself, but I don't expect to see either again.
This isn't a preemptive strike. I think fakes are all over the place and most people are too dumb to notice it and write it off as "minor print errors".
This isn't a preemptive strike. I think fakes are all over the place and most people are too dumb to notice it and write it off as "minor print errors".
Not on my watch.
Everyone in that thread told you the cards you posted scans of were legit and you insisted they were fake because the black ink layer was shifted ever so slightly over from the color layer. These were people with decades of magic experience, particularly with buying and selling.
The actual printing is the easiest thing for a counterfeiter to fake! The ink content, dot patterns, card stock, and glue process are far, far more difficult.
To be fair there are lots of fakes out there, the funny thing though is that they are all legacy cards that wizards don't print anymore. I knew a guy who had both yawgmoth's will and bargain on new frames...yeah cause wizards reprinted them since urzas...
Eh after dealing with the modern border change, I just don't really care what it looks like any more. In fact the only way Wizards is gonna get a reaction out of me is if they reverted back to the original card frame. Its nice that they are trying to deal with counterfeits, but its not gonna change anything, they can't go back and put holo bubbles on both iterations of goyfs, they can't make it any more difficult to counterfeit old desirable cards. Most people over look the obvious issue which is card pricing, you want to stop the counterfeits? Kill the reserved list, and stop being soo stingy with reprints.
I'm on the fence about the new card frame but just like i've done with all the previous changes in the game i'll accept, move on and keep playing the game.
The new holo bubble thing is maybe a touch tacky and detracts from the whole fantasy game feel of the cards but I can appreciate the reasoning behind it. It won't do anything to stop the people creating fakes of powerful modern/legacy staples but it will hopefully have an impact in the future as new modern/legacy staples are created (who knows when the next Tarmogoyf etc. will show up) and will hopefully help prevent fakes of standard staples flooding the market.
The new holo bubble thing is maybe a touch tacky and detracts from the whole fantasy game feel of the cards but I can appreciate the reasoning behind it.
I can appreciate the holo - just not the bubble for it that protrudes into the text box, leaving a big gap of black underneath it.
I hope M15 is at least full as **** of new cards and cards that never apeared in the modern border, that way people won't be able to compare them to the modern border versions that don't even exist and the change will be much easier to digest.
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This is the first fan modification of the new frame I actually like. But there might be technical reasons why they don't want the holodot to be so close to the edge of the card (we don't know).
It seems like the holo-sticker has to be above the last line to make room for potentially long artist names. For example: Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir. This one has 36 characters that would need to fit and under the holo-sticker
I don't understand the benefit of a proprietary font, can any designers comment on how it would be to copy/steal/forge a font? That seems much easier to counterfeit than say a hologram stamp.
I hate DFCs and hope they don't come back, they should use the flip cards like they had in Kamigawa block. DFCs + sleeves = PITA.
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Them making it so that the cards I get from cracking packs are also available for me on MTGO would be a brilliant move, but probably they think it is more profitable the way they currently have it. Maybe in the short term, but long term and I think you'd see crazy sales.
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The past two core sets have really been moving toward making the core sets have more storyline in them. I like it, since it offers a way for us to find out what a Planeswalker is up to without having to wait for them to appear in an expert expansion,
When asking for if something was stolen on Kamigawa:
Have some irony:
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When asking for if something was stolen on Kamigawa:
Have some irony:
That would be a nightmare. YMTC printed a casual-focused rare, normally something that gets a few insults and remarks on this forum but little more attention than that, and suddenly there's a ton of drama and rage about it.
Now imagine if the card frame change, something that's already causing drama and rage, and ramp that up an equal amount. The MTG community would explode.
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They could have simply added a foil stamp at the bottom, or on the set symbol, which would have been better then this.
When asking for if something was stolen on Kamigawa:
Have some irony:
The card game I was thinking about was Chaotic, which printed a unique UPC on all the cards.
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I don't even think they're making a big deal out of it. It was sort of a footnote at the end of an annually expected article, brought up because he couldn't show the card without bringing up the obvious differentiation. I think we're the ones making a big deal out of this.
THe issue with this is the foil stamp is embossed on which means it raises a bit to prove its legit, its alot harder to counterfit foil stams as thier unique. then to print on a foil sticker paper then press on printed card
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When asking for if something was stolen on Kamigawa:
Have some irony:
Not on my watch.
Everyone in that thread told you the cards you posted scans of were legit and you insisted they were fake because the black ink layer was shifted ever so slightly over from the color layer. These were people with decades of magic experience, particularly with buying and selling.
The actual printing is the easiest thing for a counterfeiter to fake! The ink content, dot patterns, card stock, and glue process are far, far more difficult.
There's a judge foil of Yawgmoth's Will in the modern frame. I guess a modern Yawgmoth's Bargain does have to be a fake.
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The new holo bubble thing is maybe a touch tacky and detracts from the whole fantasy game feel of the cards but I can appreciate the reasoning behind it. It won't do anything to stop the people creating fakes of powerful modern/legacy staples but it will hopefully have an impact in the future as new modern/legacy staples are created (who knows when the next Tarmogoyf etc. will show up) and will hopefully help prevent fakes of standard staples flooding the market.
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I can appreciate the holo - just not the bubble for it that protrudes into the text box, leaving a big gap of black underneath it.
It seems like the holo-sticker has to be above the last line to make room for potentially long artist names. For example: Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir. This one has 36 characters that would need to fit and under the holo-sticker
I guess it helps against counterfeiting, but it's really not pretty...
EDIT: I'd prefer this.
I really don't like the circle thing. It feels intrusive.
I hate DFCs and hope they don't come back, they should use the flip cards like they had in Kamigawa block. DFCs + sleeves = PITA.