I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 2/1 for two with Scry 2 at the beginning of your upkeep, loose life. Scry 2 is considered as good as drawing a card, but weaker in terms of actual card advantage.
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- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
Can people stop saying that this is an enchantment block? It isn't. There were no normal global enchantments in Theros. There were almost no cards that interacted positively with enchantments. It is as much of an enchantment block as Return to Ravnica was.
Anyways, I hope Phenax ends up having the Dark Confidant ability and Scry 2 as an activated ability, as previously mentioned.
You're kidding right? There are enchantment creatures left and right/something only done once before this (oh my god an oddball card out of future sight called lucent liminid.) No global enchantments? The gods are basically global enchantments that sometimes turn into creatures that are still global enchantments after they turn into creatures. The weapons are global enchantments as well with activated abilities because they're both artifacts and enchantments. Just because there aren't a lot of global enchantments doesn't make this not an enchantment block. I recall Sam Stoddard also stating that this is an enchantment block somewhere and in the same line saying that many of the most powerful cards would be enchantments. The set also has more enchantments than is average for a large set in comparison to recent large sets RTR, GTC, AVR, and ISD all have less enchantments than THS. Not sure where this idea that theros isn't an enchantment block comes from but nothing could be further from the truth.
Not sure if scry 2 is as good as drawing a card, otherwise omenspeaker would see a lot more play in comparison to what it's doing right now as 2 drops that draw a card when they EtB and block/attack are all pretty good (wall of blossoms, wall of omens come to mind.)
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"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."
I honestly don't know what this could be referencing, obviously common perception is that it is a Dark Confidant-esque card. My only thing is that a card of similar power would only stand to skew the slightly imperfect balance between Mono Blue and Mono Black that exists right now.
On a related note, while I love the idea behind these puzzles, I have been seeing them for various mediums since A Thousand Suns was starting to be announced (a process that took roughly a month through these very puzzles, but also included an intercontinental scavenger hunt, so, take that for what you will,) so forgive me if I seem a little bored and/or impatient with them. What I am getting at is that I was wondering how long it took for the source to confirm the result of the last puzzle?
They aint gonna reprint Bob in Theros! Ya'll must be crazy if you think your getting Bob for Christmas. That card would never ever ever see the light of day again. We might get a sexy variant of Bob that deals with devotion when it comes into play.
Bob 2.0
1B
When you play Bob 2.0 draw X cards where X is your Devotion to black. You lose life equal to each cards converted mana cost
2/1
You're kidding right? There are enchantment creatures left and right/something only done once before this (oh my god an oddball card out of future sight called lucent liminid.) No global enchantments? The gods are basically global enchantments that sometimes turn into creatures that are still global enchantments after they turn into creatures. The weapons are global enchantments as well with activated abilities because they're both artifacts and enchantments. Just because there aren't a lot of global enchantments doesn't make this not an enchantment block. I recall Sam Stoddard also stating that this is an enchantment block somewhere and in the same line saying that many of the most powerful cards would be enchantments. The set also has more enchantments than is average for a large set in comparison to recent large sets RTR, GTC, AVR, and ISD all have less enchantments than THS. Not sure where this idea that theros isn't an enchantment block comes from but nothing could be further from the truth.
Not sure if scry 2 is as good as drawing a card, otherwise omenspeaker would see a lot more play in comparison to what it's doing right now as 2 drops that draw a card when they EtB and block/attack are all pretty good (wall of blossoms, wall of omens come to mind.)
This! Instead of saying "it's an enchantment block, we'll put tons of enchantments and tatzit", they did it cleverly with the gods, their weapons and the bestow creatures. This is definitely an enchantment block, thought out of the box.
They aint gonna reprint Bob in Theros! Ya'll must be crazy if you think your getting Bob for Christmas. That card would never ever ever see the light of day again. We might get a sexy variant of Bob that deals with devotion when it comes into play.
Bob 2.0
1B
When you play Bob 2.0 draw X cards where X is your Devotion to black. You lose life equal to each cards converted mana cost
2/1
seems a little to dangerous and you would have to reveal each card what if you drew cards equal to your devotion to black and then lost 1 life for each one. would be a can tripping 2/1 in the early game and a lot of gas later
seems a little to dangerous and you would have to reveal each card what if you drew cards equal to your devotion to black and then lost 1 life for each one. would be a can tripping 2/1 in the early game and a lot of gas later
Both of these are actually quite broken. By itself and specter, it would draw you 4 cards for a 2 mana cost, as well as provide you a 2/1 body.
Both of these are actually quite broken. By itself and specter, it would draw you 4 cards for a 2 mana cost, as well as provide you a 2/1 body.
i know it would be busted but if you revealed equal to your devotion and took damage equal to the CMC of them all it could kill you out right.
what if it was something like BB2 1/3 reveal cards from the top of your library equal to your devotion to black. chose one of those put that card into your hand and take damage equal to its CMC put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order
I'd like it for a 2B or 1B even. 1/3 is not an impressive body and the effect of drawing a card from 1-6 (~3 average) cards deep from library and getting hit in the process is okay.
Take Augur of Bolas for comparison. 1/3 and you draw a card from 3 you reveal. Of course it had to be instant or sorcery but with Bob2.0 you have to have some devotion to dig as deep and still you lose some life in exchange of drawing any type of card (maybe make it nonland?)
i could see making it cheaper i was thinking that after i posted it and considering Duskmantle Seer costs 4 for a 4/4 flyer it does seem over costed. but on the whole i like the idea of the mechanic
They aint gonna reprint Bob in Theros! Ya'll must be crazy if you think your getting Bob for Christmas. That card would never ever ever see the light of day again. We might get a sexy variant of Bob that deals with devotion when it comes into play.
Bob 2.0
1B
When you play Bob 2.0 draw X cards where X is your Devotion to black. You lose life equal to each cards converted mana cost
2/1
Maybe with a high CMC but the idea is fine.
YYYYY
When you play YYYYYY reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is your Devotion to black. Choose one and put it in your hand. You lose life equal to it CMC, then shufle your library( or put the rest on the button)
P/T
or
YYYYY
When you play YYYYYY scry X , where X is your Devotion to black. Reveal the top card of your library and put it in your hand. You lose life equal to it CMC, then shufle your library( or left it the way it is)
P/T
Following your logic:
Printing "enchantment" as an additional card type on each creature, artifact, land etc. makes an "enchantment-block".
It is true, that you have a lot of enchantments in the set, but it doesn't play out differently than any normal block.
RtR and M14 were sets, where enchantments played a more dominant role than in Theros - you can even say that Theros is an anti-enchantment block, because the auras and global enchantments aren't solely enchantment-card types like in other sets and aren't only played as enchantments (like in other sets) but also as "normal" creatures or artifacts.
Besides 2 or 3 cards, there aren't any cards that interact with enchantments - in RtR you had Sphere of Safety for example, which would make a "enchantment-theme" more observable in a set/block;
even in M14 you had a lot of cards that trigger off of enchantments entering the battlefield, making a "enchantments-matter" feeling possible - which isn't the case in Theros (at least for me).
A true enchantment block would be problematic. Only g/w destroy them and usually with narrow answers that would be useless against anything but enchantment decks and overpowered against them. You could go the nuclear option and flood the format with Vindicates, but that just makes g/w too awesome. The most likely effect of making most of the best cards global enchantments would be to make another blue centered format since it's the color suited to the global enchantment war. Pushing a block obviously toward the most contraversial color in the game isn't likely to be popular with R&D. Giving the enchantments additional types and weighting them toward creatures solves the problem.
As for Bob being on people's reserved list, it's all about money. It's a high dollar eternal card that people like to treat as a savings bond. It probably wouldn't even make the top 10 list of standard's best cards, but it would crash the price pretty hard. Just look at the prices of every other powerful, high dollar eternal card they've reprinted recently. Some cards go up on reprint, but they're the cheap ones that end up gaining a new, powerful interaction, like say Reflecting Pool, not ones with huge price tags.
As for the card in question, I'd like a new art Moonlight Bargain. It's one of my pet commander cards that's probably stronger than Fact or Fiction in more casual games. Ad Nauseam also fits.
1B (Perhaps 2B?)
Creature - Human Seer
When * enters the battlefield, reveal the top two cards of your library and put them into your hand. You lose life equal to their total converted mana cost.
2/1
Something like that?
that would be even more broken than dark confidant
Another creature reference as it refers to "his" dark inspiration and obviously a reference toward a black Inspiration which makes me think
a.) High probability of it drawing you cards
b.) medium probability of it being instant
c.) lower probability of it drawing you exactly 2 cards
I think it'll be 2UB - P/T (?)
Creature - Human Seer
When * enters the battlefield scry 2, then draw the first card of your library. You lose life equal to that cards CMC.
EDIT: I feel scry 2 might be a bit ambitious on this so it could even be Scry 1. That way if you like the card you know how much life you'll lose. If you don't like it then you have to take a chance. Also considering Inspiration costs 4 to draw 2 cards, I think this will cost quite a bit more than what we're mulling around here. Probably 5-6cmc if it has the effect listed.
Off topic --- does black really need the help? Give GW and R a fighting chance... I miss my Domri Rade's
"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
They aint gonna reprint Bob in Theros! Ya'll must be crazy if you think your getting Bob for Christmas. That card would never ever ever see the light of day again. We might get a sexy variant of Bob that deals with devotion when it comes into play.
Bob 2.0
1B
When you play Bob 2.0 draw X cards where X is your Devotion to black. You lose life equal to each cards converted mana cost
2/1
So completely worthless with anything beyond 3 devotion, since you kill yourself.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Simple, strong, but less busted than Bob. Duskmantle Seer is precedent for Bob's ability moving into instead of Mono-:symb:. That stops it from auto-slotting into the devotion decks.
Simple, strong, but less busted than Bob. Duskmantle Seer is precedent for Bob's ability moving into instead of Mono-:symb:. That stops it from auto-slotting into the devotion decks.
/speculation
This is maybe possible, would be able to be a poor man's BoB in modern, or be BoB 5-8, and probably wouldn't break standard. Might be too good for Esper though. Certainly no stronger than this.
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- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
You're kidding right? There are enchantment creatures left and right/something only done once before this (oh my god an oddball card out of future sight called lucent liminid.) No global enchantments? The gods are basically global enchantments that sometimes turn into creatures that are still global enchantments after they turn into creatures. The weapons are global enchantments as well with activated abilities because they're both artifacts and enchantments. Just because there aren't a lot of global enchantments doesn't make this not an enchantment block. I recall Sam Stoddard also stating that this is an enchantment block somewhere and in the same line saying that many of the most powerful cards would be enchantments. The set also has more enchantments than is average for a large set in comparison to recent large sets RTR, GTC, AVR, and ISD all have less enchantments than THS. Not sure where this idea that theros isn't an enchantment block comes from but nothing could be further from the truth.
Not sure if scry 2 is as good as drawing a card, otherwise omenspeaker would see a lot more play in comparison to what it's doing right now as 2 drops that draw a card when they EtB and block/attack are all pretty good (wall of blossoms, wall of omens come to mind.)
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On a related note, while I love the idea behind these puzzles, I have been seeing them for various mediums since A Thousand Suns was starting to be announced (a process that took roughly a month through these very puzzles, but also included an intercontinental scavenger hunt, so, take that for what you will,) so forgive me if I seem a little bored and/or impatient with them. What I am getting at is that I was wondering how long it took for the source to confirm the result of the last puzzle?
This:
Cascade Into the Maelstrom WUBRG
RDW (Legacy Preconstructed Deck) R
EDH:
Eladamri, Lord of the Elves G
Riku of Two Reflections Card Stack RUG
Standard:
Biovisionarys Everywhere! UG
All Hail the Gray Merchant! B
Thassa's Revenge BUG
Bob 2.0
1B
When you play Bob 2.0 draw X cards where X is your Devotion to black. You lose life equal to each cards converted mana cost
2/1
This! Instead of saying "it's an enchantment block, we'll put tons of enchantments and tatzit", they did it cleverly with the gods, their weapons and the bestow creatures. This is definitely an enchantment block, thought out of the box.
seems a little to dangerous and you would have to reveal each card what if you drew cards equal to your devotion to black and then lost 1 life for each one. would be a can tripping 2/1 in the early game and a lot of gas later
Both of these are actually quite broken. By itself and specter, it would draw you 4 cards for a 2 mana cost, as well as provide you a 2/1 body.
i know it would be busted but if you revealed equal to your devotion and took damage equal to the CMC of them all it could kill you out right.
what if it was something like BB2 1/3 reveal cards from the top of your library equal to your devotion to black. chose one of those put that card into your hand and take damage equal to its CMC put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order
i could see making it cheaper i was thinking that after i posted it and considering Duskmantle Seer costs 4 for a 4/4 flyer it does seem over costed. but on the whole i like the idea of the mechanic
I don't see why Bob is on everyone's reserve list though.
UB
Instant
Reveal top 2, lose life equal to their mana cost, put them into your hand.
I doubt they'll attach a scry to a Bob effect. Having scry in the format makes it strong enough.
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Other than long time vintage staple Sign in Blood?
Maybe with a high CMC but the idea is fine.
YYYYY
When you play YYYYYY reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is your Devotion to black. Choose one and put it in your hand. You lose life equal to it CMC, then shufle your library( or put the rest on the button)
P/T
or
YYYYY
When you play YYYYYY scry X , where X is your Devotion to black. Reveal the top card of your library and put it in your hand. You lose life equal to it CMC, then shufle your library( or left it the way it is)
P/T
which is a sorcery, not an instant.
A true enchantment block would be problematic. Only g/w destroy them and usually with narrow answers that would be useless against anything but enchantment decks and overpowered against them. You could go the nuclear option and flood the format with Vindicates, but that just makes g/w too awesome. The most likely effect of making most of the best cards global enchantments would be to make another blue centered format since it's the color suited to the global enchantment war. Pushing a block obviously toward the most contraversial color in the game isn't likely to be popular with R&D. Giving the enchantments additional types and weighting them toward creatures solves the problem.
As for Bob being on people's reserved list, it's all about money. It's a high dollar eternal card that people like to treat as a savings bond. It probably wouldn't even make the top 10 list of standard's best cards, but it would crash the price pretty hard. Just look at the prices of every other powerful, high dollar eternal card they've reprinted recently. Some cards go up on reprint, but they're the cheap ones that end up gaining a new, powerful interaction, like say Reflecting Pool, not ones with huge price tags.
As for the card in question, I'd like a new art Moonlight Bargain. It's one of my pet commander cards that's probably stronger than Fact or Fiction in more casual games. Ad Nauseam also fits.
that would be even more broken than dark confidant
Demonic tutor is a world better than imperial seal is.
So it's a creature card (otherwise the object of the sentence wouldn't be the Seer, it'd be an ability) and it's probably UB.
Obviously a reference to BoB but it's most definitely NOT BoB's effect or the a wouldn't be
struckthrough, but this seems to hint at tutoring.Another creature reference as it refers to "his" dark inspiration and obviously a reference toward a black Inspiration which makes me think
a.) High probability of it drawing you cards
b.) medium probability of it being instant
c.) lower probability of it drawing you exactly 2 cards
It's gonna cost you some life.
I think it'll be
2UB - P/T (?)
Creature - Human Seer
When * enters the battlefield scry 2, then draw the first card of your library. You lose life equal to that cards CMC.
EDIT: I feel scry 2 might be a bit ambitious on this so it could even be Scry 1. That way if you like the card you know how much life you'll lose. If you don't like it then you have to take a chance. Also considering Inspiration costs 4 to draw 2 cards, I think this will cost quite a bit more than what we're mulling around here. Probably 5-6cmc if it has the effect listed.
Off topic --- does black really need the help? Give G W and R a fighting chance... I miss my Domri Rade's
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Confident - Certain to an acceptable degree that something is true.
That is all that is going on here with the a and the e. Confident is the correct word, the a is put there as a hint about bob.
We may be getting...
UB
Instant
Reveal the top 2 cards of your library and put them in your hand. You lose life equal to those cards combined converted mana cost.
Ux Whirza
Rb Goblins
Legacy
U Urza Stompy
Duel Commander
Sai, Master Thopterist
So completely worthless with anything beyond 3 devotion, since you kill yourself.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Yeah, not much of a spoiler if all we know is that there's a card that's a little like Dark Confidant and maybe Viscera Seer or Duskmantle Seer.
Modern
Fish
Legacy
Fish
EDH
BGRProssh, Skyraider of Kher BGR
Level 1 Judge
I think we're about due for another hint. Point us in the right direction.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Creature - Human Wizard
(Dark Confidant ability.)
1/2
Simple, strong, but less busted than Bob. Duskmantle Seer is precedent for Bob's ability moving into instead of Mono-:symb:. That stops it from auto-slotting into the devotion decks.
/speculation
This is maybe possible, would be able to be a poor man's BoB in modern, or be BoB 5-8, and probably wouldn't break standard. Might be too good for Esper though. Certainly no stronger than this.